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Should it be increased to two years removed from High School???

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Should it be increased to two years removed from High School???

We have had a healthy amount of forum topics lately discussing some talented college freshmen this season, but we have harped on where they need to improve before they get to the NBA. A lot of us had said they should stay another year, but most will not. Should the rule be increased again to two years from high school? Personally, I think so for not just basketball reasons, but for maturity reasons. Maturity, both physically and mentally, is every college freshman's biggest weakness. They may play like vets, but they make a lot of mental errors that could be corrected if they stay another year, most don't take the money and leave. I am eager to hear everyone's thoughts on the matter.


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i think the rule is

i think the rule is ridiculous as it is now. all these players dont even finish the semester and everyone knows that they are one and done players. The NBA was trying to prevent busts and a team can judge that based on one season of college so there is no need for two years of college when its pointless for them. 95% of the players arent going to go back and get a degree because they can make a great living at basketball. All these college programs make millions of dollars because of these one and done players instead of these players making millions of dollars. i just dont agree with the NBA keeping these young men from making a living

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its hard to use the maturity

its hard to use the maturity reason when the peopel who have been gettingm int he trouble the most have been those who have went to college for a year or more. i would love to see them stay for 2 year sbut at the same time i cant say you should keep a kid from earning a living making millions if he is talented enough to do so. i liken it to back int he day when colleges said freshmen couldnt play there first year of college. they had to play jv even though they were good enough to play.

we talk about maturity but look at some of the players that are int he news the most for immature things or say immature things

shaq
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rasheed wallace
sprewell when he was playing
gilbert now

ive been to college an di can tell you as a athlete in college thats not a place where you are gonna become mature. you go to school for free. peopel treat you liek kings. teachers even treat you like kings. u wake up go to class sometimes practice and party. and for those who smoke you maybe have one drug test a year that you already know about. theres not much structure except when you are in practice

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i think it should be similar

i think it should be similar to baseball rules. you can go pro right from high school but if you decide to go to college it should be a 2 year minimum. I don't doubt players like kg, kobe, amare, lebron, dwight howard, or even josh and jr smith can contribute without college experience but it's the other 50%(or more) that need to have this option. They should let HS players workout with NBA teams and get info directly from the scouts. Let the players decide if they want to risk entering out of HS. If they aren't first round choices the will have a tough time making it but that is THEIR choice. And if an NBA team drafts a guy out of HS and is a bust, that is the teams fault because they scouted this player and worked him out. The rule now is really fair to alot of guys numbers wise either. For example Kevin Durant became the second fastest player to 4000 points for his career this year behind lebron. but KD had to go to college for a year whereas lebron has been gettin his numbers since he got out of HS. Give guys an option. I even think the NBA and NCAA should let guys enter the draft and if they arent drafted, let them come play college if they so choose(but only one time, the second time they can't come back to college). It wouldn't be that hard of a rule to make either. But the NCAA and NBA need to figure this out together.

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no

no

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i actually like that

i actually like that idea..you go out of hs but if you go to college you have to stay for 2 years. i do think you should be giving a choice and can go after one year but that think thats a nice fair options for both sides. basically the numbers are very good for the guys who go stright pro. they all arent stars but neither is all the guys who come from college. everyone isnt gonna be a super star but most contribute and are still getting new contracts

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i think if the rule is to

i think if the rule is to change to 2 years then you should have the option of not going at all.

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Interesting posts. I agree

Interesting posts. I agree that there is a lack of structure at these major programs, also the coaches are just as bad as the players. I question how much these coaches actually care about the players outside of basketball. Also, there is no such thing as a 4 year scholarship it gets renewed at the end of each year, so it would be tough to allow them to come back if they didn't get drafted because coaches have to fill the scholarship and won't wait on a player. I do however, like the baseball rule to be used for basketball. It gives the player options rather than being forced to go to college, though Europe is the new outlet. By maturity I know guys have been mentioned who do immature things that have gone to college for more than a year, but those a 90s players where it was rare to jump to from high school or after a year of college. My personal view as someone who wants to coach high school basketball when I am older is if I have a great player, I do not want him getting played by these college coaches at major programs. My view is if a player is great no matter where he goes in the future he will continue to be great. I think as a coach at any level there responsibilities are more than simply just coaching. Sometimes it is being a parent, a mentor, a teacher, etc. The coaches have to help there players grow as people as well as players. That is why if a player does go to college it should be a 2 year agreement.

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actually the coaches have

actually the coaches have waited on the player in the past. and they would still do it since the player is obviously one of or there best player. its a good idea to think the coaches are all about the kids but in reality they arent. this isnt a nonporfit oganization where the coaches do what they do for free. its a job that they get paid to do. yeah they care for there kids to a point but they care for there job and money even more. its no different then the person out there working. yeah you care for youre coworkers or even youre boss sometimes but you care about youre job and the money even more and if another job comes calling with more money especially youre dream job then you are gone. coaches also can only do so much. they coach the kid and check up on the kid and answer questions when the game is over and off season and help them out a lil with problems but dont forget that the coach also has a life and there own family that they have to think about and that has to come first because half of there time or more is already away from there family and there kids who they have to help mature and all that stuff.

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That is all true,

That is all true, unfortunate, but true. Though from a players perspective they sometimes see the coach as a parent figure and need the nurturing from the coach, and coaches do not provide enough of that. I am not talking they should tell the players that they love them every five seconds, rather they should ask them how they are, how classes are, anything to show that they care about the players. That doesn't take time away from the family and there own kids. Asking how a player is doing when things may not be going well for the player can go a long way. Even if the player is doing fine to know they can go to there coach to tell them there is a problem is very important. These coaches know the player wants to go to the NBA as fast as possible, and if the coach wins on top of sending players to the NBA, the better. Players are blinded that the NBA for most every college basketball player is a long shot, and that there is a life after basketball. Coaches have to be the guide for players to understand that.

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but the coaches already do

but the coaches already do all of that. they talk to them and ask them how they are doing. they did it when i played and when my brother played and my friends and kids i work with during the summers who are in college now. i dont know of any coach that actually doesnt do that already youre saying this stuff liek the coaches dont do that but they do. its not there fault that after they do all this and try to guide them in the right direction that the player goes and gets drunk and parties or get into drugs. no matter what the coaches do the players are gonna do what they wanna do

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I did not mean for my posts

I did not mean for my posts to come off as that the coaches do not care. I still believe more can be done. Yes it is the players choice to get drunk, take drugs, and party. Though, I do not believe these players deserve a free pass in the classroom. They are students first, even though they are there to play basketball or w/e sport they play, it is still called a student-athlete. While a lot of these star athletes are not academically equipped for college, coaches not doing anything about a player's lack of attendance is condoning it, and that's not acceptable.

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I'd rather have it; if HS

I'd rather have it; if HS players think they're ready to go to the NBA, then they can put their name in the draft. Otherwise if they go to college it should be at least 3 years minimum.

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but the coaches do go by the

but the coaches do go by the clases from time to time to see if the player is there and the coaches get reports from teachers telling them if a player skipped. ok let me give you some insite from my experience and former and current players i know

coaches check up on them and ask for progress reports usually weekly
some teachers will say a player was there even if the werent because of how good a player is
coaches dont have as much time as peopel think to go check on every player because they are going over game film and practice stuff and recruiting and dealing with the wife and the kid and in some cases the mistress
players are young so alot will fall under peer pressure or try to hold up a image so peopel can continue to think they are cool.
alot of players think they will be in the nba or europe of d-leauge so no matter what a coach says they dont work hard in class
all you need is a 2.0 not sure if you been to college or not but you can go to class once a week and get a 2.0 and thats without cheating

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I appreciate your incite as

I appreciate your incite as to what you know. It gives me a better understanding on the ins and outs of the college game. Teachers lying to coaches is just wrong, lying as a whole is wrong. The whole time thing I understand, but if a coach can spend 10-20 minutes on each player individually once a week to sort things out with 15 players on the team, some players get more time for sorting things out some less it averages out to 3-6 hours a week. Not that bad. Also, I am currently a college student who maintains a gpa well above a 2.0, and I know that if I decided to stop attending regularly I can get a 2.0 with ease w/o cheating. Though, the typical college basketball player is not academically equipped for college course work, so they could not maintain a 2.0 unless it was given to them, which happens more times than we would like.

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and the thing about that is

and the thing about that is players and people give excuses for players about not being ready while in college. the first 2 years is nothing but stuff you have gone over in hs. a player has plenty of time to get there work done and has plenty of help available with tutors and other smart teammates. an di can speak on this because i had troble with grades not becaus ei couldnt do it but becaus ei was lazy and rather party and skip home work. we had a kid on our team who was a 3.8 student but wasnt that smart and he admitted it. he said all he did was all his homework,study hard for test instead of going to go party. there are some athletes who arent ready but that is half there fault and half the highschools part who continue to pass them even when they know they arent prepared. plus not too many players ive seen who end up flunking off the team so its not really a issue

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and the thing about that is

and the thing about that is players and people give excuses for players about not being ready while in college. the first 2 years is nothing but stuff you have gone over in hs. a player has plenty of time to get there work done and has plenty of help available with tutors and other smart teammates. an di can speak on this because i had troble with grades not becaus ei couldnt do it but becaus ei was lazy and rather party and skip home work. we had a kid on our team who was a 3.8 student but wasnt that smart and he admitted it. he said all he did was all his homework,study hard for test instead of going to go party. there are some athletes who arent ready but that is half there fault and half the highschools part who continue to pass them even when they know they arent prepared. plus not too many players ive seen who end up flunking off the team so its not really a issue

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