when do ya'll think they will put it together?
before the year alot of people said randolph would be a allstar or close
that jordan would be starting or a strong back up
not too many people mad predictions about bayless
all have some typer of talent but bayless and randolph have shown the glimses in games. both are inconsistant ,randolph more so. he has games where he gets minutes and looks lost out there then he has games where he looks like a pretty good starter. he seems to do beter in a wide open offense but stuggles in a half court more structured, play running offense. will these guys ever live up to the high expectations that were placed upon them. bayless and randolph have some type of reasons that are valid about getting more playing time but the've also been inconsistant when given that playing time
I've never been high on Bayless or Jordan. It seems Bayless has improved some this year & should continue to earn more playing time. Jordan on the other hand has taken a step back this season which is troubling. The way things are looking Jordan may not have a very long career in the league.
Randolph is a stud. Needs a new coach maybe even a new team. When he plays he is very effective. He has made some improvements from last season. He is only 20 years old, that is scary.
i think randolph is overrated by many. i know hes good and talented but hes very very inconsistant even when he is given minutes and im starting to understand when i watch him why he doesnt always get the minutes he wants. he has trouble when he has to play against guys at his positions but seems to thrive when he plays center and has the mismatch. hes not the rebounder he should be and hes still pretty weak. i think he will be a good player but im still not convinced he will be a year in year out all star
Quincey- I understand some of what you are saying. I don't think Randolph is at an all-star level yet & probably won't be for another 2 years. I do think he should be starting everygame for the Warriors now though. He should at least get 30-35 minutes a game. You say he isn't a good rebounder but that isn't true. Randolph only plays 23 minutes a game & grabs 7 boards. That is pretty good. He leads the Warriors in rebounds per game! He also leads the team in blocks.
I would like so see Randolph gain another 20 pounds. I think he needs to work on his passing skills some & continue to work hard on developing a better outside shot. He has the rare ability to be a player that can play SF/PF/C...that can be a big advantage for a team to be able to create different mismatches. He has a ways to go but I like what I am seeing.
The only time I've heard anything good about him was on draft day. Other than that I've seen nothing out of him and with a loaded front court in LA he isn't getting the mins anytime soon. The next Patrick O'Bryant. As for Randolph, I like his game. At times he does look lost but I think its because nobody on that team is sure what to do. They just give it to Monta and he throws up a shot. They never set Randolph up for plays, he has to create on his own and thats tough for somebody his age to do. Two more years and I think you will see a better version of Josh Smith from him. I've always liked Bayless. Haven't seen him play much but he takes it strong to the hoop often. Thats what Portland needs. I think they are last in points in the paint. I see no reason why Steve Blake gets more mins then him. A new team will put Bayless in the spot light and he will get about 18 and 6 a game.
when i say good rebounder i mean for the tools he has. even in those minutes you dont think with his length atletic ability and energy he souldnt be getting more then 6 point something rebounds a game? i do think he should start sometimes. when you watch you notice his defense leaves alot to be desired and sometimes he seems disinterested int he game and goes at about 75 percent. maybe its because he doesnt want to be there but you shoul dstill always give 100percent effort. i dont really liken him to josh smith because he isnt the defender nor the athlete josh smith is. he is longer but he doesnt have the athletic ability. i see a celing of 18 and 9 reb a game possibly as a third maybe second option on a good team. he just doesnt look like a player you can build around though which is like josh smith so i guess i can see the comparisions
I like bayless a lot. Not sure what the blazers are going to do w/ him considering they are deep at Guard. He can fill it up in a hurry and could average 20 a game if given the shot
i think alot of players could put up 20 if some of the better players or stars are hurt but on a good p[layoff team i dont see 20ppg.
I disagree with almost all of you, DeAndre Jordan is oooooooooooooozing with potential and similar to Andrew Bynum, he'll never be able to reach his potential in LA. The guy can rebound like crazy, block shots, and dunk when given minutes and/or touches. His athleticism and strength is at an elite level, he has the potential to be great.
Bayless is the definition of inconsistent.
Anthony Randolf should sue Don Nelson...
jordan is no different then gadzuric to me. the difference between him and bynum at that stage is bynum came straight from hs and was 17 when he came in. other then being a good athlete you cant really say jordan has anything really going for him. you take away the jumping ability and what complements can you say about him?...he was a disappointment in college as well and came off the bench i cant even say jordan is inconsistant because he is consistantly underwhelming. there are no flashes like with randolph and bayless. no reason for bynum to leave l.a to reach his full potential. hes 22 or 23 and the team is getting older. when hes in his full prime in 4- years gasol and kobe will still be good but not as good as they are now. just like when kobe and shaq was playing together. kobe didnt have to leave to reach his full potential he just had to wait his turn
jordan could do ok right now with a starting role but i think two years from now he is a border line allstar. Anthony randolph needs a few years to get really good but he is absolutaly a starter as is. Jerryd bayless is a very good scoring option of the bench and in a few years if he gets more pg skill he could be a above average starter.
STARTING ROLE?...NAW HES NOT READY FOR THAT. HES NOT EVEN REALLY MUCH OF A BACK UP SO HOW IS HE READY TO START RIGHT NOW? if jordan is a boarderline allstar down the road then there are aloooooot of boarderline allstars down the road. i now have very very high hopes for j.j hickson and hall of fame hope for kevin love
I just dont think DeAndre Jordan is going to get it together to the extent of being the next great center prospect. He has all the physical tools to be great, but he didn't dominate or even really show anything but "signs of promise" at Texas A&M. He rode the bench last year and showed "signs of promise" by having a nice stretch where he pulled down 20 rbs one game and blocked some shots. For some reason or anyother he just doesn't get it, he hasn't earned much playing time this year, but he is young and Kaman is having a career year. In relief he has been good lately with a solid game against Boston, but I think he is going to be on the level of Eric Dampier or maybe Kendrick Perkins in a best case scenario rather than the 19 11 and 3 guy a lot of people look at him on paper and think he can become.
i like bayless and think he has the potential to be a very good side kick to a side kick. randolph has alot of potential and needs to get out of gs. ivenever been impressed with jordan because other then dunk when hes open i dont see him do much of anything else. i cant even recall him dunking on many people. his footwork is lacking his energy is lacking and his basketball IQ seems low
jordan can ball
the clips are holding on to him
they know camby wont be he for ever
and we seen blake and jordan tear up the summer league together
can we say
points in the paint,,crash board madness,,and up tempo
there mobile then most ther postion
dont sleep on jordan once a projected lottery pick
of course they are holding on to him..hes cheap and young. i would too. and yeah he was projected as a lotto pick because he abused hs players who were 6'5
Jordan is young... This is his 2nd year in the league. His talent has never been questioned... It was his work ethic and maturity. That's why he dropped into the 2nd round of the draft.
However, that has changed. He busted his ass this past summer. I see no reason why he won't do so this upcoming summer. No he hasn't taken a step back from last season. He's actually improved in quite a few areas. He'll begin to play more once he fully understands defensive rotations. He just needs to continue to work on the little things... Watching film and working on the little things of the game that go unoticed, but are super important. Jordan will be okay. He has WAY more natural talent and ability than Gadzuric lol. And whoever said he'd be the next Patrick O'Bryant should be shot.
thats gotta say something when you work that hard during the summer but not doing anything more or earning more time
tezo- you must be a deandre jordan fan
10 min 3 points 3 rebounds 0 assists 0 steals 0 blocks 1 turnover 2 Fouls
58% FG, 30% Free Throw
15 minutes 4 points 5 rebounds 1 block 0 asst 0 steals 1 turnover
63% FG 39 % Free Throw
Pretty clear he has taken a step back. I don't know how you can say he has improved.
whats gonna hurt him more is when blake come sback. although blake is a pf camby will no longer have to play pf as much and be more of a back up center and in some cases i can see the slippers playing blake at center for mini periods of the game
How many games did Chris Kaman miss last season lol? How many games did Marcus Camby miss last season lol? Those two guys missed A LOT of games, which is what thrust Jordan into the rotation. Honestly... He wasn't even ready to play last season. He made more mistakes last season than he has this season, but the difference is... Dunleavy doesn't HAVE to play him now. Kaman has been healthy and so has Camby for the most part. Dunleavy will yank Jordan in a second. You can't judge his improvement based on statistics... Two completely different seasons.
Quincey - He did work hard this summer. He worked hard on his body and his overall game. However, he still needs to work on the little things. Things like defensive rotations and understanding how to make an impact in limited time. He's young lol. Why are you so hard on him? Bynum was a soft ass his first couple of years in the league. He wasn't lighting it up either... And he was the 10th pick in the draft.
What... Y'all on dead mouth now lol?
How are you going to judge a young prospect's improvement based on the stats from a season and a half? Two completely different seasons at that... You should feel stupid.
Stupid? R u serious?
I'm not saying Jordan is a bust. But to say he has improved this season...I just don't see it. Watching him play & by looking at the stats it appears he has taken a step back...period
i got busy watching pittman wreck havoc against arkansas on espn2 and watch gani do work online against georgia. i wont be convinced with jordan untill he does something in a game besides dunk and earn some minutes. and thats how everyone has judged a young prospect good or bad
so this isnt a new thing we all do it
And what did Bynum show you his first two seasons lol? Did he earn minutes his first two seasons? The Lakers didn't even have a good center on their team either... I remember Kobe wanting to ship his ass out. Young bigs need time.
Gator heels... Would you expect Big Baby to put up the same numbers this season as he did last season and during the playoffs while KG was out? I'm sure you wouldn't... Then why would you expect Jordan to put up the numbers he put up last season while Kaman and Camby missed over half the season in combined games? Kaman is healthy this season... Not only that, he's having an all-star season... The best of his career. Camby has been healthy for the most part and has been a monster defensively and rebounding. Dunleavy doesn't have to play Jordan like he did last season.
Jordan is a young prospect. I don't consider Rose, Gordon and Mayo prospects. A young prospect is a young player who may not get to play a lot, but is considered to have a great deal of potential. Jermaine O'Neal fell into that category once. You can't judge a young prospect by statistics in his first season and a half. You have to look at the little things like his work ethic, attitude, etc. Jordan has improved in all of those areas. He's a better basketball player than he was last season.
nope he sure didnt which was expected from a 17 then 18 year old and bynum was putting up 8ppg and 6 rebounds in his second year...since jordan went to college ill go by the same age..bynum at jordans age was putting up 13 and 10 a game
as far as jordan being a better basketball player. that is shown by proof not just saying he worked out hard during the summer. if i say that and show a video or 2 but i come in and get less time on a team that doesnt have the same players ahead of me( dont forget zach randolph was also in slipper land) then then thats gotta tell you something
actually i believe Bynum averaged like 7 and 4 his second year and showed flashes. Kwame sucked, but he played defense and rebounded well and Phil was not big on trusting bynum early. As for kobe saying ship him out, kobe was an idiot and he showed he would probably make for a worse GM then Jordan. He even admitted the next season that he was never gonna play GM again.
As for DJordan, I have not seen enough of him to know if he has gotten better. Truth is he doesn't play enough to really know what he is capable of. But like Quincey is saying, I'm pretty sure if you are doing things at practice and are ready to ccontribute, the coach will find a way to get you on the court.
i dont think that 30percent from the free throw line helps much either.....no one knows what he will do in the future but im just not that high on him and he hasnt shown me any real reason for me to change my mind
Quincey... You would use age over actual NBA experience, which is nuts. That's just something you'd do lol.
Bynum averaged 7 points and 4 rebounds his 2nd season, but did he have front court players the quality of Kaman and Camby on his team? I don't think so. His front court teammates were who? Kwame Brown and Chris Mhim? Whoo! Big time players right there.
I don't understand how you guys could judge his improvement based on statistics this season... Statistics can be misleading, especially when a player gets inconsistent playing time. I guess Bayless didn't get minutes in Portland at first because he wasn't working hard! I guess Jermaine O'Neal wasn't getting minutes in Portland because he wasn't working hard! I guess every young prospect who isn't playing minutes and not seeing the court isn't working hard. That's just silly.
Kaman is having a career year and I don't think he's missed a game. Camby has been healthy for the most part and is his usual self on the glass and defensively. The opportunity isn't there for Jordan to make a significant impact, plus he isn't ready. I've watched every Clippers game (Gordon fan) and I can tell you that Jordan has improved as a basketball player. To say he looks the same as last season is not true at all lol.
when jordan gets in the game he doesnt do whole lot. other then dunk and block a shot here and there what is he good at?..if you take away his jumping ability then what can he do?..thats how you can tell a player with skill. even bynums rookie year people/scouts/ nba players were saying how skilled he was. funny thing is i wasnt one of them i was saying by year 3 trade him. i wanted that kidd for bynum trade everyday of the week plus sunday becaus ei didnt pay awhole lot of attention to his skill. i payed attention to his lack of production. ive watched a good 13 games that jordan has played in and i watch what he does when he gets in the game
his foot work is lacking even for a second year player
he doesnt run hard all the time going down court. bynum isnt athletic but i watch how he was beating jordan down court constantly
jordan's timing is that good on defense
hes not that good at positioning his self to make the pg give him the ball
the onyl good thing i see about him is he dunks hard when he is open down low
he brings the ball down way too much which gives guards the chance to take it from him
everything he does i saw the exact same thing with gadzuric. also jordans hands dont seem to be as good as i thought once before. i dont know how hard he works or who trains him int he off season but he needas to work alot harder and fire that trainer. i think every other center ive seen makes a improment in skills and numbers the next year especially when they are playing on a bad team