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If Lenny Bias was still alive, do u think he would've llived up to the expectations of MJ23?

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If Lenny Bias was still alive, do u think he would've llived up to the expectations of MJ23?

Len Bias 2nd overall pick, Airness 3rd overall pick. Both were great dunks, shooters, college players, playmakers, etc. They shared 'bout the same athletism too. Bias died tho, the biggest "if" to eva live.
What you guys think???


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I don't think he would have

I don't think he would have been the next jordan. He would have been a star, but his ball handling and footwork and defense and 3 pt shooting are all things that he would have had to work extensively on to be at jordan's level. How many guys put in that type of work and and share jordan's desire? NOt many. Especially if you consider him hanging out with drug dealers and partying hard like he did was any kind of early example of how the NBA spotlight might have affected him.

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Honest Opinion? He would

Honest Opinion?

He would have had a very good career. He would have started his career on the bench probably until 89 and then played the 2 from 90-93 ( Bird was the 3)

He would have won probably 4 titles but not a MJ career.

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yea i agree with u guys, i

yea i agree with u guys, i mean ive seen quote a lot of his highlights, and u can argue tht bias did have the better college career, thou mj did win a national championship

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Different players

Len Bias wasn't a shooting guard and didn't play anything like MJ....completely different players. It's a shame Bias never got to play in the NBA though, he would have been great and would have helped carry on the Celtic dynasty. The Bias story and Hank Gather's story rank up there as two of the saddest and most tragic sports stories in history, happening only a few years apart.

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My dad told me about the

My dad told me about the game Bias had against UNC in 85 or 86, when he drained a jumper, stole the in bounds pass, and reversed the dunk all in one motion. I didn't believe it until I saw it on youtube and I damn near fell out of my chair when it happened. It's quite a shame he never made it. Bias had HOF written all over him. He and Reggie Lewis woulda won some chips in the 90s for the Celtics. Damn shame man

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hard to say if the celtics

hard to say if the celtics would have won titles in the 90's with bias and lewis. We have no idea if Bias would have been a mvp caliber player, and as good as lewis was, he was a borderline all-star. Very good but not a major game changer. Other then those two, the celtics didn't have any other building pieces, so there is no reason to believe they would have been beating the bulls or the rockets.

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I think Boston would have

I think Boston would have taken the 89 and 90 championship from Detroit if they had Bias.

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bias

He was a stud and would of been in the NBA as well, not a doubt. Sucks cuz as the dude before said, the biggest "if" ever

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Bias wouldn't have been

Bias playing with all those veterans in Boston would've helped him alot..He would've been the 6th man his 1st season..I dont think that he would've been better Jordan..But they're head-to-head matchups in the nba might've been even better then those great matchups they had in college..For those who wondered how good Bias would've been in the NBA...Watch tapes of Dominque Wilkens...Their style were so similar...A few years ago Bobby Knight mentioned Jordan & Bias as the 2 best athletes he'd ever seen ..

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I can tell

I can tell that most people writing on this topic probably weren't alive when Bias was in his prime, or, they never played b-ball beyond streetball.

Bias was a monster. Pure and simple. He was every piece the athlete Michael Jordan was, except he was a better jump shooter (Jordan's shot didn't get really good until around '93) and he was 2 inches taller.

To the guy who thinks that Bias wouldn't have played the 3: Of course he would have. Bird generally played the other team's weakest scorer (Despite those who think it was a Bird/Wilkins duel in Game 7 in '88, McHale guarded Wilkins more often than not) on defense, which was usually the 4, and he generally played anywhere from the 4 (posting elbow high, or posting opposite McHale) or the 2. So Bird and Bias could have played quite a bit together. You would have had a lineup of DJ, Bird, Bias, McHale, and Chief. Bias had the ability to play a 3 or 4 with that body, and Bird could play, and did play 1-4.

To the guy who is now trying to downplay Dominique: In the same paragraph you said that he's in the Hall of Fame. Isn't that good enough? No, 'Nique isn't Jordan. Who is? That's like saying Tim Duncan isn't as good as Bill Russell. I mean, is that how we define all athletes? We find the absolute pinnacle of the sport, and then everyone else is the silver medalist?

Len Bias was an absolute BEAST. If you watched the videos, you'd see a man among boys. The guy frequently had to duck his head so he didn't smack his head on the rim. And he had an absolute PICTURE PERFECT jumpshot that was good out to 19 feet.

He'd have scored at least 15 ppg the first season; started the next year and jumped to 20 ppg; and probably would have been a 20/10 guy the rest of his career.

The Celtics would have ABSOLUTELY won the 86-87 title over the Lakers. Not sure what happens after that because Bird had the heel problem in '88 and that had nothing to do with playing too much. Then he had the back injury, and that may have had something to do with the injury, but Bias would have been THE guy at that point.

So who knows? Bias would have gotten a title in his rookie year, the Celtics probably would have won close to 70 that year, and everyone would have been in awe.

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Again, you have to factor

Again, you have to factor many things into this.

Len Bias would not have started until 1987 because that's the year McHale broke his foot.

He would have been the 2nd option behind Larry Bird.

He would have played out of position until 93'

We never know- Watching film? I believe Bias could have been better then Jordan. He was bigger, stronger and had better tools then Micheal in college.

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I have no doubt if Len Bias

I have no doubt if Len Bias had lived, and been unaffected by off the court issues, he could have been a HoFamer. Only thing is, would he have? And would his impact have been greater in life than in death. Len became the posterboy of the Crack Cocaine epidemic, and had legislation on drugs changed because of the tragedy. There wouldnt be a D.A.R.E without Bias, let alone the untold players that took his mistake to heart. He showed America just how dangerous crack was, and as sad as his death was for fans and family alike, one cannot discount how important Len Bias was to anti-drug efforts in America. Crack kills, and in that way, Bias was more important than Jordan ever will be.

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too many out side

too many out side distrations?..other then the drug thing he had no other outside distractions. i grew up wtaching this guy in person and hearing my brother talk about him none stop because he looked up to him. he was a very nice guy, got along with everyone and people loved him even before he became a great basketball player. no one ever knows how good he would have been but i think he would have been great. jordan wasnt even considered to become as good as he did. people knew he would be good but most didnt think hed become the best ever. as far as the celtics team ya'll forget that bird was still there as well as robert parrish and kevin mchale and dennis johnson. with len they would have had a dynasty

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and clyde youre right on

and clyde youre right on point. he would have came off the bench. he wouldnt have even been the thrid option..thats how good that boston team was. but he probably would have owned 6th man of the year as a rookie

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I agree. I said in my

I agree. I said in my original post

Boston probably would have won 4 more titles with Bias

1987- 1988-1989-1990 would have been Boston winning Championships.

1991 would have been a crapshoot.

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No not jordan, He wouldve

No not jordan,
He wouldve been a good player, Great even
couldve been a hall of famer,
but he was the SECOND he wasnt the lock
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his death Hypes his Game up more
He would be good but not a MJ like career

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hype his game up?..he was

hype his game up?..he was the second?..at the time jordan wasnt even jordan and his game wasnt hyped up because of his death. obviously you never wathed him you just looked at clips. ask other nba players to see if his game was hyped up. he was a monster with a hell of a work ethic and talent.

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DeAndre...do your

DeAndre...do your homework

Boston wanted Bias since he was a Junior. They told him to stay in because they had a top 5 pick in 86. I believe Brad Daughtry was the 1st pick that year- Many people thought he was the next big man.

Bias was a stud. You have to go do your Homework man.

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If you were a basketball fan

If you were a basketball fan in the mid-80s, you knew who Len Bias was. Len Bias had Michael Jordan's body type with James Worthy's aggressiveness and length. I'm really not overdoing the comparison. From everything we saw back then, those were the comparisons.

(If you don't believe that comparison, ESPN writer Bill Simmons, who has probably written more about Len Bias than anyone, gives the same comparison in his new book, The Book Of Basketball.

Here's what Simmons said:

You couldn't have drawn up a better young forward for that particular team (the Celtics), someone who played like a more physical Worthy, but with Jordan's athleticism, if that makes sense.

See, I'm not crazy.)

People loved to see him jump effortlessly above the rim, but he wasn't one dimensional. He had a great mid-range jump shot and since he could jump so high, no one was blocking his shot. He could play below the rim as well as he could play above it.

At Maryland he dominated the ACC and caught the eye of Boston Celtics' GM Red Auerbach. Because of a crazy trade involving the Seattle Supersonics and Gerald Henderson, the NBA Champion Boston Celtics, who won 67 games before beating the Houston Rockets in the NBA Finals, held the rights to the number two pick of the 1986 draft.

The Cleveland Cavs held the first pick and took North Carolina center Brad Daughtery. That allowed Bias to fall into the Celtics' lap. Simmons thought it was the perfect fit. He would've come off the bench to spell both Bird and McHale at either forward spot and cut down both of their minutes. And Bird would've had a blast throwing him crazy alley-oops according to Simmons.

(By the way, that 1986 draft was just cursed. Daugherty would've probably been a Hall of Fame center, but only played eight years because of back injuries. Bias died. Chris Washburn was drafted third by the Warriors and he was burnt out on drugs by his second year in the league. William Bedford was picked sixth by the Suns and is still in jail today for drug related charges. Roy Tarpley was drafted seventh by the Mavericks and was kicked out of the NBA twice for drugs and alcohol. Even Scott Skiles had issues with drugs and alcohol. Cursed I tell you.)

Just two days after the biggest day of Bias' basketball career, he died from a heart attack brought upon by a cocaine binge. After watching Kirk Fraser's take on Bias in his ESPN 30 for 30 documentary Without Bias, I was left with mixed emotions. I was sad and angry, left wondering "what if", but also very happy that I watched it.

Len Bias died over 23 years ago. I was barely 10 years old. Yet, I remember nearly every detail about what happened. I remember that he died two days after the draft. I remember that he overdosed on cocaine. And I remember that he was supposed to be great. As much as I knew, Fraser's documentary provided me with many details that I didn't know.

I didn't know that Bias' parents had to go through nearly the same thing again four years later when his brother Jay was murdered. I didn't know that Larry Bird was so enamored with Bias that he was going to show up early to training camp with the rookies just because Bias was going to be there. I didn't know that Auerbach had his eye on Bias three years before they drafted him.

And yet, there are still things I would love to know more about.

Was Bias a drug addict or not? Head coach Lefty Driesell thought it was just a one time thing for Bias, while others mentioned in the documentary that the cocaine he and Brian Trimble scored was more pure than just "starter" coke.

Were Kevin McHale and Larry Bird truly ok with the Celtics drafting the next coming even though it meant their minutes would be cut and someone would eventually have to sit when Bias evolved? Someone (McHale) would've had to eventually be traded, or else accept a lesser role.

Did NBA experts think Bias had enough drive back then to be Michael Jordan's foil like we think today? Magic had Larry. Bill had Wilt. Who did MJ have? We know Bias had the talent, but was he as driven and focused enough as MJ?

Fraser interviews Bias' friends and family which gives a lot of credence into the story. It's one thing to have coaches and guys like Michael Wilbon, who covered the DC area at the time, but when you have Mr. and Mrs. Bias, his brother and sister, and teammates, you know the story is going to be as straight as possible.

One thing that amazed me was how stoic Mrs. Bias was. She felt that Len was going to be taken from her much earlier than he was. And she turned the losses of her two songs into positive work by becoming a spokesperson against drugs. I wonder how many lives she saved as a direct result of her losing two sons.

In no way could Fraser tell this entire story in just fifty five minutes. But he does a stellar job in getting as many interviews and stories into the documentary as possible. He tries to talk about the DC drug scene at the time, but doesn't have nearly enough time to do anything but dip his baby toe into it.

He also tries to discuss what happened to the Maryland program after the Bias ordeal, but again, there's not enough time. We know that Lefty Driesell was forced to quit by the program after Bias died. And though not discussed in the film, the program made the NCAA tournament in 1988 and didn't make the tournament again until 1994.

For the time given, Fraser's documentary gives you a great look at someone who had great promise and left the basketball world way too soon.

http://www.fanbase.com/article/without-bias-is-really-good-but/5968

i dont know if he woul dhave been better then jordan no one knows.. but to say his talent was hyped by his death is a slap in the face and just a stupid comment

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