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your wrong the numbers prove

your wrong the numbers prove it.

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ive already proved that if

ive already proved that if they resing lee and ..never mind because you obviously didnt read the link that explains everything

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I read the link they could

I read the link they could renounce him and still afford him too either way.
Do the math man 16+27 is 43 and they have enough for Lee too.

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lee and another star!!!!!

lee and another star!!!!! just signing lee and lebron isnt gonna cut it buddy

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I don't think you're adding in the minimum cap holds the Knicks will have counted against their cap after they renounce all of their free-agents. They'll get charged the minimum rookie salary per every open roster spot under 12. The Knicks could have as many as six roster spots available. That's the minimum rookie salary multiplied by six.

The Knicks don't have as much money as you think they have. You need to add the total of their minimum cap holds plus the $43 million you came up with. Once you get that total, THAT's how much they'll have left to spend via free-agency.

The Knicks need to move either Curry or Jeffries by the deadline for another expiring contract.

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exactly..everything he

exactly..everything he said..lol

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If the knicks resign lee and

If the knicks resign lee and sign lebron they will have 8 roster spots filled up. They have 2 2nd round picks that are going to earn 900,000 put together. Then they resign landry and bender for 600,000 each. so its only a little over 2 million. This is why i added Lebron and lee to 51 million because the cap is going to be 53 and change most likely. Lee can take a 5 yr 50 million dollar contract with the first year being 8 million and it increasing from there.

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resing landry?..what landry

resing landry?..what landry plays for the knicks?. and from what lees agent has said before he wants a bigger longer contract and im sure theres a team out there willing to give lee more money then the knicks are willing to give him. too gt lee the knicks will have to over pay

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marcus landry , carls

marcus landry , carls brother. I think 5 years 50 million is more than fair, nobody even offered lee 8-9 this summer.

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many teams still feel like

many teams still feel like he is a product of a system (which is bs knicks have slightly above average pace and are among the worst fast break teams) and that he cant play defense (also bs he is just undersized every night)

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oh. yeah lee will get better

oh. yeah lee will get better offer this year because the knicks are starting to when and hes look very very good. teams are gonna make a splash this year and we all know teams love to overpay for a good player because they think they can do more then they can. lee playing great hurts the knicks chances of resigning him and them winning also hurts

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4. This is where it gets a

4. This is where it gets a little bit complicated. In the NBA you must have 12 roster spots filled. Since New York is so far below the roster spot minimum, they will be assigned a phantom player cap-hit for every roster spot that is open. A phantom player cap-hit is the rookie min which is $473,604. Right now, under my current scenario, New York has 6 players signed on the roster....the previous 5 and the 1 max-contract signing. So in order for New York to have the most money available to sign a 2nd max-contract free agent, the Knicks will have to sign 5 players to the phantom player salary. This raises the cap number to $45,646,404.

5. So New York now has 11 players signed, 1 below league minimum. New York will then have $13,153,596 available to sign their last free agent. That number is still a little bit over $4 million less than the max.

yea thats true but there is always a couple of dumb teams who feela player is worth more then they are. dont be suprised if cleveland goes after lee while convinceing lebron to stay

a team of
mo
parker
bron
lee
and add a good free agent here or hickson at the 4 and lee at the five doesnt look to bad

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i highly doubt he gets more

i highly doubt he gets more than 10 million, only team i can see breaking the bank on him is the nets once they don't sign anyone. Knicks can load his contract with incentives for making the playoffs as well like they did this year with nate robinson.

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for got to add this..from

for got to add this..from the site i got the other stuff from
So after New York signs 1 max-contract free agent, the Knicks will be at a cap number of $43,646,404

im sure lee will get his money like millsap got his, anderson varajoe got his and many other guys got money they shouldnt have. it always happens reguardless if we think a player doesnt deserve it. and it happens even mor ein big summers like this where teams need to make som ekind of splash

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So what does this all mean?

So what does this all mean? Well the bottom line is that unless New York can move Eddy Curry, it is pretty unlikely that New York will be able to sign 2 true max-contract free agents come 2010. Even if they move JJ I don't think they will have enough money because I do not see the Knicks filling almost half of their roster with minimum salary rookies.

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and what u linked me to is a

and what u linked me to is a scenario which jeffries gets traded i guess and they go for 2 max contracts, i never said they can get 2 max contracts i know that wont happen. But amare and johnson are a possibility if we can trade jeffries and they agree on 14 million.

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the copy and paste thing i

the copy and paste thing i ve been putting up the last three post explains it better

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here it is again

1. Right now NY has $25,638,384 in cap-space taken up for 2010. That counts these 5 players...

1. Danilo Gallinari
2. Eddy Curry
3. Jared Jeffries
4. Wilson Chandler
5. 2009 1st round pick

2. Since my 2010 salary cap number is $58.8 million, a max contract for 2010 will start at 30% of the salary cap, which is $17,640,000.

3. So after New York signs 1 max-contract free agent, the Knicks will be at a cap number of $43,646,404.

4. This is where it gets a little bit complicated. In the NBA you must have 12 roster spots filled. Since New York is so far below the roster spot minimum, they will be assigned a phantom player cap-hit for every roster spot that is open. A phantom player cap-hit is the rookie min which is $473,604. Right now, under my current scenario, New York has 6 players signed on the roster....the previous 5 and the 1 max-contract signing. So in order for New York to have the most money available to sign a 2nd max-contract free agent, the Knicks will have to sign 5 players to the phantom player salary. This raises the cap number to $45,646,404.

5. So New York now has 11 players signed, 1 below league minimum. New York will then have $13,153,596 available to sign their last free agent. That number is still a little bit over $4 million less than the max.

So what does this all mean? Well the bottom line is that unless New York can move Eddy Curry, it is pretty unlikely that New York will be able to sign 2 true max-contract free agents come 2010. Even if they move JJ I don't think they will have enough money because I do not see the Knicks filling almost half of their roster with minimum salary rookies.

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exactly with a max free

exactly with a max free agent they will have 10 million left over. If you backload lees contract they are in good shape. They have 2 second rounders so thats 900,000 for 2 spots. and the league will hold 900,000. so you add 1.8 to 43 and get 45. If the cap is 53.5 for example lee gets a contract where he gets 8.5 the first year, 9 the next, then 10, then 11, then 11.5 or w/e im not sure what the exact percentages are for salary increase.

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and this is before knowing

and this is before knowing the cap was gonna be lowered to 53

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all that works with the cap

all that works with the cap space at 58mill.. now put all those numbers into a cap thats 53mill. you keep saying this with the idea that lee will accept that contract when his agent has made it be known hes going for more then that. nothing you say is gonna change what lee is going for

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i never said anything about

i never said anything about 2 max, lee is definitely not a max contract. No way he gets an offer over 11-12 million. The jeffries trade is very possible because his contract really is not that bad for a team not in the 2010 sweepstakes because there is only one year left on it after. If you give a team incentive to take it like an al harrington or a nate robinson, who on good teams can challenge for the 6th man award (ala crawford) and cuttino mobleys insurance money to make the hit of jeffries contract even smaller, throw in a 2nd rounder if you want.

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lee can go for w/e he wants

lee can go for w/e he wants everyone knows hes not a star player and not worth 30% of someones cap room. That would just be a mistake. He is an awesome number 3 on a championship contending team so a team would just be dumb to tie him up on a franchise player salary. He couldn't get 8 this summer, hes not going to suddenly get 12-13 this summer. His agent can want w/e it doesn't matter. Fact is Lee is worth 9-10 million.

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jeffries is possibly but

jeffries is possibly but doesnt seem too likely and lee will be able to get 11-12 million from some team thats a given with players getting overpaid every year. its possible for lee to stay but a team of

duhon
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isnt gonna get it done.. that team wont do much more then the cavs now

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and what lee is worth and

and what lee is worth and what he will get is 2 different things. how often do players just get what they are worth and dont get more then they are worth?

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if hes getting 13-14 million

if hes getting 13-14 million dollar offers i wouldnt want to keep him even if they had the cap room because he is going to cripple any team that does that in the future. I love Lee but hes not an All Star, let alone a franchise player.

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i agree hes not but im

i agree hes not but im pretty sure he will get overpayed. the fatc that that will be the team is gonna hurt the chances with lebron since he wants to win now and not have to wait and rebuild. if he didnt say that then the chances would be higher

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and how is being slightly

and how is being slightly better than the cavs not enough for a championship? lol slightly better than a top 3-4 team in the league... ill take it. And thats all prior to either using curry's expiring contract to add another piece or being legitimate free agents in 2011 with 12 million to spend. I think a core of gallo, chandler, lee, lebron, douglas and hill with money for next year is more than cleveland can ever offer. Do other teams have better young talent? sure. But the point is its an improvement over what he has now. So if he can accomplish both - improve his team AND become the face of a huge media market then NY seems like a good choice. He doesn't need a lightyears improvement for next year to be a major contender, any improvement from his current situation makes him a championship favorite. Lebron doesn't need 17 potentially good young players like the nets claim they have, he needs 4-5 really good players which is what the knicks can offer. What lebron going to do with all these young kids in new jersey that cant win a single game?

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slightly as in maybe. a very

slightly as in maybe. a very strong maybe. and thats the cavs now not the cavs thats gonna ad another freeagent..cavs are looking at a second level free agent. chandler is a good player and gallo is a good player but they arent very good players and like i said before whos gonna play pf for that team?..lebron checking kg?..gallo checking kg?..just doesnt fit anyway you try to swing it

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If lee leaves the knicks can

If lee leaves the knicks can easily use that money elsewhere. How about signing raymond felton for 6-7 million? and then still having 4 million to bring back marcus camby for example. The point is the knicks for the first time in decades have flexibility and of they play their cards right can become a very good team for next year. Whether its lebron or amare or just adding players like felton and rudy gay of joe johnson together. Regardless I hate when people say that the knicks are putting all their eggs in one basket in getting lebron.

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and you need a bench to win

and you need a bench to win a title unless youre starting 5 is the lakers or boston. whos coming off the bench?..hill,douglas, second round pick guys.

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for the record when we play

for the record when we play the celtics chandler plays kg and actually locks him down. We always play celtics well because jeffries covers rondo and rondo has no shot, and chandler covers kg very well.

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the smart move is to get 2

the smart move is to get 2 none max free agents and build a team which i hope they are doing because they have alot of spots to fill before becoming a real threat. anyone who thinks just adding lebron will solve everythins is kidding there selfs. they will have to wait till at the soonest, after they get rid of currys contract

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who is on the cavs bench???

who is on the cavs bench??? boobie gibson and jamario moon? If boobie doesnt have those good few months during the playoff run a few years ago hes not in the nba anymore and moon can only jump. Only decent bench player they have is delonte west, i think the knicks can do better than that.

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dont confuse regular season

dont confuse regular season with playoffs. gasol plays kg better then anyone in the regular season. we all see how that turned out in the playoffs though. its awhole different ball game and the teams like boston play awhole lot better. id never ever ever bet against kg against gallo. actually imma have to look up everytime the knicks played the celtics with kg now and see how well hes been locked down. and you dont lock a player down if you are losing the game and the player doesnt have to do much for the team to get the win

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REALLY?! 2 max free agents??

REALLY?! 2 max free agents?? no team in the league right now has 2 max worth players. Gasol is not a max player and noone on the celtics is anymore either. W/e arguing with you is pointless the fact is yes you need 2 max free agents to be a dynasty. But to go from where the knicks were 2 years ago and to be in a position to become a top 5 team in the NBA next year, which they can easily accomplish with the right signings that dont even have to involve lebron, is pretty amazing and something to be excited for. Not just for knick fans, but for the NBA. Everybody benefits from the knicks becoming relevant again.

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cavs bench isnt that good

cavs bench isnt that good and the knicks with that teams bench would be even worst..who on that bench is doing better then gibson,west,moon,arajoe?...and lets remeber nate,harrington wont be there

also where are you getting youre info of kg getting locked down by chandler? for one
kg has played one game against them this year
2.i cant even find where kg even played against them last year and 3. the gam ei watch i dont recall chandler on kg. i do remeber chandler on ray though

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point is you just spin the

point is you just spin the argument your way regardless of what i say. First its lebron wont come, then its he might come but lee wont stay, then its lee might stay but u can't get 2 max free agents. If Lee leaves so be it, doesn't change the fact that we have money for young talent to add around a player of lebron's caliber if he decides to come. Ill be more than happy with a cast of lebron, gallo, chandler, felton, camby, hill, douglas, okafor (or whoever just an example). Don't tell me that bench nonsense mike plays 8 players anyways he always has and it worked in phoenix. Everyone who says the way he coaches cant win a title is ignorant too. He had one of the most competitive teams in what was probably the toughest conference we have seen in a while. And they had deep playoff runs every year and could have easily won if not for either injuries (joe johnson) or stupid suspensions (the spurs series). You as a laker fan would know how good that team was, and they did not have more or much more talent than the team i listed above.

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2 non max players. non are

2 non max players. non

are you making uo the kg getting locked down thing?..because hes played them one game this year.. i dont think he played any games last year

and the year before he played 2 ..averaged 14 a game in 28mins which lead me to believe the game was over long before the horn sounded....so what are you talking about him getting locked down when the knicks play the celtics?

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umm the knicks beat the

umm the knicks beat the celtics last year and lost this year on an overtime buzzer beater by kg.

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kg didnt play in the game

kg didnt play in the game last year from what i see. unless im missing something

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in the game the knicks won

in the game the knicks won he did.
shot 1-6 in 29 minutes because mike put chandler on him.

"Lee had 14 points and 14 rebounds as he and Chandler, who scored 15 points in the decisive third quarter, consistently outworked Garnett and Boston's front line."

http://espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=290104018

this year we played them really well too. Chandler often plays the 4 for us. Thats why he is so valuable he can play 2-4.

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I truly believe chandler is

I truly believe chandler is flying a little under the radar right now and is actually our best player after lee. He just had an awful november because he was coming off surgery and just taking jump shots. I think you are going to hear a lot more of him in the near future. I think he is capable of averaging 18 and 7 in a year or two.

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OK THATS ONE GAME. you said

OK THATS ONE GAME. you said when we play the celtics which means when ever ya'll play them. you never said when we played the celtics. i wouldnt call one game meaning chandler can lock down kg and chandler cant play no damn pf ..lol. im guessing gallo checks ray allen then huh

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under the radar?..thats

under the radar?..thats because youre a knicks fans. the non biased people see what hes truley doing which is ok but not great. harrington is doing much better then chandler and thats obvious anyway you look it it weather its int he game or stat wise

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i just pulled up the game

i just pulled up the game and im skimming through it...chandler is not checking kg. harrington is checking kg. imma continue to watch this game to see where chandler is shutting kg down

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and in overtime david lee is

and in overtime david lee is checking kg

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chandler is checking paul

chandler is checking paul and getting his a$$ lit up

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lol..ummm yeah pretty much

lol..ummm yeah pretty much kg was guarded by lee, harrigton not chandler

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