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THE KNICKS SITUATION(knicks fans might not like this)

this is basically continued from another site because the topic on there was knicks and suns but started to swing towards knicks future. before looking deeper into it i was thinking the knicks had a pretty good chance of signing lebron and having a pretty good team because of learning about the bird rights.. under further review i noticed its not as simple as i once thought

The collective bargaining agreement typically disallows teams from signing outside free agents prior to signing their own if it would bring them over the cap to do so. In order to sign the outside free agent under such a scenario, the team must first “renounce” their own player. Until they do, he stays on their cap, in what is called a “cap hold”, and the team is prevented from using his salary on another player, even though he is now a free agent. Once that player is renounced, his team loses his “Bird rights”, but will then have free space to sign an outside player. For example, when the Magic wanted to give Rashard Lewis a max deal, they couldn’t without first renouncing Darko Milicic and the $15 million cap hold associated with his roughly $5 million salary. At that point the Magic had max money available for Lewis, though they could no longer go over the cap to bring back Milicic. See also Bobby Simmons and Michael Redd.

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In order to have any cap

In order to have any cap space, the Knicks will have to renounce David Lee, Nate Robinson, Larry Hughes, Al Harrington, Cuttino Mobley, Darko Milicic (with tears falling I'm sure), and Chris Duhon. This means they will lose Bird Right's on those players, but it will be something they cannot avoid because there are cap holds on those players are 150% of their 2009-10 salary (Robinson and Lee's cap hold will be even greater). So let's say they renounce the whole group and now have Curry ($11 million), Jeffries ($6.8 million), Gallinari ($3.3 million), Hill ($2.5 million), Chandler ($2.1 million), Douglas ($1 million), and lets say Landry (league minimum). They then have league minimum cap holds for the every empty roster spots under 12, so basically have $2-3 million tied up there. So lets say they have $20-23 million in cap space. They get themselves a free agent yacht ($16 million for the first year, whether it is Amare, LeBron, Wade, Bosh, whoever). They then will only have between $4-7 million to get another free agent. After that, they don't get the MLE, BAE, etc because those exceptions are only granted to teams who enter free agency over the cap meaning they'll have to fill out the rest of their roster with league minimum signings.

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2011-2012 roster New Yorks

2011-2012 roster New Yorks (possibly)  

LeBron, Gallinari, Hill, Chandler, Douglas

plus a few other descent role players

a few young cheap players to fill out the roster 

2010 2nd round draft pick

they will sign another big name free agent in 2011 (Curry & Jeffries..roughly $18million comes off the books) or they could split up that cash & sign two very solid starters.  Lots of good players available in 2011 free agency.

MLE in 2011?

2011 1st round draft pick

2011 2nd round draft pick 

Sure the Knicks are in a tricky situation but as you can see the future looks pretty bright.  That potential 2011-2012 roster above would be very solid. 

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yeah but lebron doesnt wanna

yeah but lebron doesnt wanna go backwards. hes said he wants to comopete for a title right away where ever he decides to go

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???

Do guys really think Lebron is going to leave his current team with that talent they have to go to NY? Do you guys really think he wants to go play with a roster like : LeBron, Gallinari, Hill, Chandler, Douglas. That's atleast 3 years behind where he is today.

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I think it is safe to say

I think it is safe to say any team with LeBron has a bright future, but that isn't by any stretch of the imagination a lock to happen.

They'll probably deal Jeffries and Curry for players with longer contracts after they sign somebody. My guess would be that New Orleans will be looking to dump Okafor. Maybe they can get a team who whiffs on free agents to bite. If not, they could probably peddle him for an expiring. Maybe Golden State deals Maggette or Biedrins for Curry's expiring. If LeBron does leave (and I tend to believe he stays) then I'm sure Cleveland will want to get out from under the Varejao contract. It just so happens to be about the same as Jeffries. If Orlando doesn't win the title or return to the Finals, they might want to move Gortat and Bass. I tend to believe they can find a team with cap space willing to move a future pick to pick up Gortat (remember when people thought Elden Campbell was the real deal backing up Shaq, just saying) and my guess is that Sacramento, Minnesota, or Chicago will be that team. Bass and a frontloaded Redick extension could be a deal for New York for one of their expirings and maybe someone like Hill. I don't know for certain, but I'd wager that Gilbert Arenas will be shopped for little more than expiring deals this coming summer (Curry and Gallinari maybe).

Finding a point guard is important for the Knicks. Duhon might return for a big paycut/play cut, because I don't think he is going to get much more than $2 or $3 million per this time around. It depends how much he likes being in New York. I'm sure there are other teams who might be interested in him as a backup. Luke Ridnour, C.J. Watson, Jordan Farmar, Kyle Lowry, Will Bynum, or J.J. Barea might be a mid-money ($2-4 million per) signing. I don't think any of them would excite anyone. My guess would be Farmar or Ridnour would be the most likely of the group. Raymond Felton would probably cost a bit more, and I don't know if he'd fit. Maybe D.J. Augustin is eventually dealt for. It wouldn't surprise me if they take Scheyer or Lin in the 2nd, though I cannot imagine they would roll into a season wanting to play either one as a rookie.

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yeah any team that signs him

yeah any team that signs him has a bright future but lebron doesnt wanna go to a team rebulding or a team thats not ready to compete for a title now

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Quincey....Why would Knicks

Quincey....Why would Knicks fan not like this again?

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because alot of knicks fans

because alot of knicks fans on here didnt know about the bird rights plus it makes it even less likely lebron comes since he said who ever he plays for has to be a contender . even wit lebron they arent a contender next year and they cant afford to keep lee harrington or sign 2 max players

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Ok...Quincey, do you think

Ok...Quincey, do you think Lebron is going to NY?

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nope not after the comments

nope not after the comments he said about winning. miami , the nest, and cleveland look alot better as far as winning if he goes or stays. i think hes gonna stay. that and the fact most superstars dont leave

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I think that if LeBron

I think that if LeBron doesn't re-sign with Cleveland... He'll end up in either New Jersey or Miami.

I think New Jersey has an excellent chance to land LeBron.

- Looking at their current roster, all of their young core is under contract for next season. Harris, Lopez, Yi, Lee and Williams are a very good young core. They have a team option on Douglas-Roberts and a qualifying offer on Boone. They also have veteran hard nosed guys in Dooling and especially Najera. They're in a position to renounce all of their free-agents without it hurting the team, which means they won't have to worry about those cap holds... Unlike New York.

- If they were to renounce all of their free-agents, they'd have nine players under contract. That means that only three minimum salary cap holds would be counted towards their salary cap. That's the mimimum rookie salary multiplied by three.

- They're in the position to land a top five pick in the draft. That money will count towards their cap as soon as the pick is decided, but they'll still have plenty to sign LeBron and make other moves.

I think New Jersey has a great chance. BothTeamsPlayedHard... What do you think?

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quincey, read my posted

quincey, read my posted topic . I'm interested to see your opinion sir.

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I already knew about this

I already knew about renouncing guys but they can still keep Lee and sign a big free agent.
Never know some big name guy might take less than max money doubtful but it could happen.

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if they keep lee they cant

if they keep lee they cant afford to sign lebron,wade,bosh. they could sign a second, or third level player

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what if the Knicks hold

what if the Knicks hold thier plans till 2011?

We would have alot more cap space ( maybe a all star if someone wants to shed salary)
2011 1st rounder ( probably lotto if we don't add any big player in 2010)
Exceptions ( Mid Level, Bi Annual)

also, I think your discounting the fact the Knick only run 8 players in a rotation

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You got wrong numbers

Wrong because Lee has a 10.5 mill cap hold and if they renounce everyone else they will have 27 million in salaries for the young guys and Jeffries and Curry. You had 27 mil with Lee's hold that 37.5 mill leave you with enough money to sign a max guy still. Thats why every writer says they need to trade Jeffreis or Curry's if you want to sign 2 Max guys and of course Lee would be gone than. The salary cap will be 53-55 mill even at 53 they have 15.5 mill which is more than max.

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The Okafor trade makes a lot

The Okafor trade in the offseason makes a lot of sense for both teams. Knicks would get the shot blocker they need and Hornets get an expiring contract in Curry. I think Jeffries is gone before the trade deadline some team will probably move for him. I'm surprised Houston hasn't since Knicks can throw in Mobley in a deal and insurance pays half or more of his contract. If the Rockets get back Hughes, Mobley and Jeffries for Tmac thats not bad. But we'll see they still think Tmac has value but after a long history of injuries no team is willing to give them much.

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I think the odds are that he

I think the odds are that he stays in Cleveland. If he was to leave, I think Miami would be the #1 option and New Jersey #2. In Miami, he teams up with Wade and gets every 30-something ring chaser to sign on for the league minimum. They'll also have Beasley, Chalmers and (assuming Toronto makes the playoffs) two-middle of the first round picks and two second round picks.

New Jersey has Harris, though to say he is a significant upgrade from Mo Williams might be overstating the facts. Brook Lopez is a very solid starting center, pretty much like a young healthy Zydrunas. They'll have two firsts (with one being top five). maybe Harris, Evan Turner (top 5 pick assuming they don't get the #1 Wall selection), LeBron, Al Harrington (2nd free agent signing), Brook Lopez, CDR, Courtney Lee, Sherron Collins (second first rounder), Yi, Najera, T-Will, and a few ring chasers and they can be a contender as well.

Cleveland has its benefits as well. Mo Williams is a solid point. Big Z and Shaq can/will return, and they can do worse than a 17-12 over 40 minute center platoon. The Varejao, Hickson, and soon-to-be-healthy Powe is solid depth at the power forward spot. Delonte West is a non-guaranteed contract that can get them a $5 million-ish player from a team looking to dump money (Salmons, Bass, Pietrus, Nocioni, Miles, etc). They'll also have no problem finding vets to take the exceptions (Tracy McGrady, Rasual Butler, Mike Miller, and/or the return of heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com)

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i firmly believe if lebron

i firmly believe if lebron is to leave it will be via sign and trade.

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I think Wade stays in Miami

I think Wade stays in Miami and it would probably be

Chalmers-Wade-Beasley-Boozer

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2 1st round picks this year?

I think they can rebuild this year to keep sir Wade.

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i agree i see boozer gong to

i agree i see boozer gong to miami. and from what i read the cap is gonna be at 1mill. also it would not suprise me to see him as a net. i mean you look at devin harris when hes healthy-allstar.. brook lopez is playing like a allstar this year and will be even better next year. yi is a good player . cdr is a very very good player. what position does that leave for the nets?..sf.

devin harris
cdr
lebron
yi
lopez

c.lee
twilliams
boone
top 5 nba draft pick

that looks better then the knicks with bron for the future and immediately. miami is the only other team i see where it looks better. actually i take that back if he decided to go to the clippers or memphis

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you are forgetting

you are forgetting something, lebron does not want to play in a &$#%#&@!hole swamp in new jersey in the &$#%#&@!tiest arena in the nba (while they build the new one) and with one of the smallest fanbases in the nba. He doesnt want to put a crummy franchise on the map, he wants to go to a star filled bright light city where he would be considered god by the rest of the worst if he can lead them to the promise land.

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if he wants to continue his

if he wants to continue his career in bumble&$#%#&@! he will stay in cleveland, no point of moving from one stupid location to another stupid location. You guys miss the point that lebron is very egocentric and wants to be the center of everything, NYC is one of the few places that can give him that. He can win 50+ games with a college team, he makes miserable excuses for nba players like parker and varejao look great.

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whats funny is you dont know

whats funny is you dont know what he wants..thats youre opinion of where YOU dont want lebron to go. lebron has stated the nets are a option. lebron wants a chance to win right away. the knicks cant provide that no matter what senerio you look at because they wont have the money to place players around him. sorry its really that simple. if he wants to go to bright lights and win theres a nice place called miami that has another good player who happens to be his friend and who he happened to plan to be a free agent with

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forgot to add that lebron

forgot to add that lebron doesnt have to live in NJ to play there. i know its hard but you have to accept the fact that the chances of lebron picking the knicks over the cavs and heat are very very slim no matter how much you want it to happen

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Quincey laying the smack

Quincey laying the smack down lol. I agree with you 100% about this. These are the best posts you've made on here. That "cap hold" find was your top post lol. Real beneficial information. I surely had no clue about that before you found out about it. Good work.

And BothTeamsPlayedHard dropped some knowledge as well.

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bright lights of miami? you

bright lights of miami? you know they have one of the worst attendances in the league with d-wade right? Regardless of how the knicks do it, they are well equipped to provide lebron with a winning cast. Chandler and Gallo are great young players with more potential than any player on the cavs roster, you forget the cavs that contribute are all near retirement, except hickson who is a worse prospect than jordan hill. The knicks will also most likely move jeffries with a combo of nate, al hughes and mobleys contract, giving them money to resign lee. Lee is a borderline all star, gallo will be a borderline all star in a year, chandler in a year or two can easily be a 3-4 option on a championship contending team. I think i take chandler over anyone on the cavs roster not named lebron (maybe mo, but i think lebron makes him overrated). Then they have nice young players who can contribute in douglas and hill. On top of that they have a contract in curry who can either be very attractive to add a player like okafor or make them players for a max free agent in 2011.

A team of
gallo
chandler
lee
douglas
hill
okafor (example)
lebron (or whoever)
and maybe a farmar (lebron doesnt need a great pg he can facilitate for most of the game in fact mo williams is more of a scoring guard)

And whoever else i dont really care because mike only plays a 8 man rotation, let it be 4 2nd rounders for all i care.

That team is much better than what cleveland has now, its not even close.

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Ben (NYC) Hi Chris, love

Ben (NYC)

Hi Chris, love your chats...Who would win if the current Cleveland Cavaliers minus Lebron James vs the current New York Knicks?
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I get into a somewhat similar debate with people all the time when they discount the Knicks' chances of getting LBJ as a free agent. The question: Who is the better team: The current Knicks minus the two guys they'll be forced to renounce to clear their max room (Harrington and Hughes), or the current Cavs minus LeBron. I say NY is better.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/30156

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As for the nets, their

As for the nets, their stellar young cast has the worst record in the NBA. Don't you think players liek lopez, cdr and other benefit from playing on such a bad offensive team. Lopez has one of the lowest shooting percentages in the nba for a center and on a good team would average like 14 and 8, CDR with his ugly herky jerky style wouldn't be allowed his nonsense on a good team either. Lee has shown he isn't good at all, twill is one of the worst rookies in the nba, yi had a few good games people forgot how much he stunk it up for the first 3 years, harris showed us jsut how overrated he was last year by being awful this year. other than get to the free throw line this guy can't really do anything.

Lee < Lopez (slight edge to lopez on potential)
Chandler >>> Lee
Gallo >>>>> Yi
Hill and Twill verdict is still out but ill take hill on potential
Douglas is slightly worse than CDR but i think id rather have douglas due to his feisty defense.
Harris stinks knicks can trade for someone better they have plenty of pieces and once they get their FA they will take worse contracts that poor teams cannot afford if they have to. (al,nate,hughes etc.) those guys get no love but al and nate are about as good a sixth man as it gets in this league. Knicks players get no love but once they move to good teams they are suddenly great players. e.g. crawford, randolph, richardson
The nets do have a lottery pick but i doubt thats enough to sway him to jersey.

Knicks have a better coach.

situations seem more similar than you think. Im pretty sure the knicks are 11 games above the nets this year, must be a reason. Except the difference is not big enough to throw off the fact that the nets are a little brother franchise of the tri state area. Thats like yankees and mets bidding for the same guy except the mets are in new jersey (which is even worse).

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MSG or Izod center..

Hmmm if I were a betting man I would say that any player would rather play 41 games at The Mecca MSG instead of the dump that is Izod center. Listen, I love the Knicks and I personally hope they dont get Lebron, I cant stand the guy for numerous reasons. From his riverdancing antics to the fact that all his blocks are never man on man, hes a overrated defender, and rarely does he come through in the clutch, hince his missed free throws down the stretch against Charlotte yesterday. Hell Id rather get Joe Johnson and resign David Lee.

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Miami is a football town

Miami is a football town that kind of obvious. If he wants to play with Wade he'll go there I don't see it though.
I'd like to see him sign with the Nets that team is a joke and all of a sudden Devin Harris is Isiah Thomas.
If they get Wall, Harris is traded in a heartbeat.

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LeBron is GONE! haha  He

LeBron is GONE! haha  He knows 0 TITLES in Cleveland...period.  

bkballer- I can pretty much agree with the majority of things you are saying. 

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you added okafor and farmar

you added okafor and farmar but you forget that they cant afford either. i keep hearing about mecca but how many superstar free agents have decided to go play in the mecca?..i hear about all this history and blah blah blah but yet i dont see players lining up to go there. they only reason ya'll see lebron there is because yall are knicks fans. the best view of this is from people who arent knicks fans because they are unbiased. and nyk2010..youre logic is flawd by saying peopel think harris is the next isah thomas even though he has made the all star team yet say they would trade wall in a heart beat who potential could be very good but hasnt done a thing on the nba level yet

and bk baller you want to compare...do the knicks have any allstars on there roster this year?..are there any for sure future allstars?..on top of that david lee isnt gonna be there you seem to have forgotten the knicks wont have the money

let me break it down again in less words...if they sign lebron to a max contract that leaves them with 6million ..lee isnt signing for 6 a year

youre looking at a line up of

duhon
chandler
gallo
lebron
jefferries

you really think lebron wants to play with that even if its at the mecca?..seriously you think that line up can beat

devin
cdr
bron
yi
lopez?

now or in the future

and miami doesnt have alot of people going because its miami..its always wamr out side..in ny you cant go and just chill out side unless you wanna catch a death of cold
on top of all the talk of lebron would hate to go to nj amd this and that how come lebron has mentioned them as a possible destination?

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Quincey +1

Quincey +1

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and lets not forget most

and lets not forget most stars stay with there team unless traded

paul peirce
carmelo
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so gator heels you see

so gator heels you see lebron getting closer to the title with that line up i just named?...ya'll talk about "who would wanna play in that swamp" but nba players dont think like that..only certain fans. and as i do recall the nets have been closer to the title more recently then the knicks. and lebron has stated like ive said over and over he wants to win now.. he doesnt wanna take a step back and wait a year to see who is gonna get signed. you may not like the cavs but they are title contenders. and i dont know lebron but i doubt that hes gonna ant to play the pf position for a season

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Once again your wrong

Okafor and Curry would be swapped its a salary dump for the Hornets. It doesn't affect the cap situation for this summer. How could guys have signed with the Knicks before they were capped out who is gonna pass on 10-15 mill to sign for 4-5 mill with a mid level. Knicks management has been on a downward spiral since the Ewing trade in 2000 with Checketts and Layden, Isiah just made things worse. I'm not sure how much you followed them back then, it was all about trading expiring contracts for overrated veterans. Some of them Eisley, Anderson, Penny Hardaway, Glen Rice, Qrich, Randolph just to name a few.

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I really don't care what

I really don't care what LeBron does.  I think it would bring some excitement to the league if he went to the Knicks though.

I don't dislike the Cavs but I honestly don't think they are title contenders this year.  I don't see them ever being contenders honestly..I don't like their role players.  Varejao starting at PF equals 0 titles. 

I have no idea what LeBron is going to do but I don't think he is going to stay in Cleveland.  I would hate to see him waste his whole career there.

If it was me I would go to Miami & join Wade & win a ton of titles.  Plus those girls, the beach, the weather, yep!

Quincey- to answer your question yes the Nets lineup would be better for the 2010-2011 season.  What can the Nets add in 2011 though financially? I'm not familiar with what the Nets have coming off the books in 2011. The Knicks are going to be able to add a lot of talent then with all that cash off the books.  That could swing things in New York's favor. 

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the knicks could easily

the knicks could easily build a titile contender around Bron within a year or two, who couldn't? I don't think he is gonna go to nj, i just don't. He might stay in cle or go to ny, but i think that decision will be about other things outside of winning. Cleavland's second best player is MoWill and an old shaq and Z and Verajao are the bigs, the KNicks could duplicate that right now if they had lebron. I think it will be other factors besides winning if he chooses between ny and Cle.

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I don't know about Carmelo

I don't know about Carmelo staying with Denver. I think if he moves East, better shot to make it to the Finals.

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Based on the Nets' roster

Based on the Nets' roster right now, Kenyon Dooling ($3,828,000), Josh Boone ($2,992,888) and Douglas-Roberts ($854,389) will come off the cap the summer of 2011.

If the Nets go into the summer of 2011 over the cap, they'll be able to use ALL of their mid level and bi-annual exception.

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no free agents signed with

no free agents signed with the knicks because they havent had money since 1996. How they can get a player like okafor was already explained to you and farmar is worth like 1.5 million. Knicks have players closer to being all stars this year than the nets do. The "supporting cast" of lebron in cleveland is the most overrated thing in the NBA this year. Hollinger was quoted as saying that if the cavs had gallo they would be easily the best team in the NBA. Cleveland as constructed will always be close but will never win the title. And it will only get worse big z and shaq have about a year left and suddenyl their front court is varejao and hickson. Woudl you rather have mo williams, delonte west, varejao and hickson or gallo, chandler, lee, douglas and hill.... honestly. If he can win 60 games with this team he should have no problem doing that in NY. Except NY can build a real team around him not jamario moon and anthony parker. They will either sign another player in 2011 or take on bad contracts because they wont care about ever clearing cap space again if they lock up lebron for 6 years. If you have watched the knicks at all you will know that they have very good young talent that is actually carrying them to a playoff berth recently, its not harrington or nate winning games, its chandler lee and gallo.

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farmar has a player option

farmar has a player option for 3 million next year, so i seriously doubt he accepts 1.5 million before he exercises his player option.

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lol..im sorry but the

lol..im sorry but the hornets arent gonna swap with the knicks for curry. wishful thinking though.. theres one common theme im noticing.. all thes knicks roster options are thing ya'll are hopeing will happen. and farmar can get more then 1.5 million a year..lol...laughable ya'll really are reaching huh. and who cares what hollinger says cause even with gallo the cavs wouldnt be the best team in the nba. and why do you keep saying lee?..what dont you understand about the knicks cap space?..they cant afford lee and bron. and harrington isnt winning games for them? you really think harringtons 18ppg and 6 reb isnt a factor in there wins?...is gallo or chandler putting up that? and another thing you seem to fail to realize is that cleveland will also add another good player next year..they arent gonna have the same roster they have now.. wit the knicks you are talking about for certain that harrington AND lee wont be back if lebron comes....can we stop with the fantasy and look at reality. this isnt nba live with the franchise rules turned off this is real life with a cap

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lol..im sorry but the

lol..im sorry but the hornets arent gonna swap with the knicks for curry. wishful thinking though.. theres one common theme im noticing.. all thes knicks roster options are thing ya'll are hopeing will happen. and farmar can get more then 1.5 million a year..lol...laughable ya'll really are reaching huh. and who cares what hollinger says cause even with gallo the cavs wouldnt be the best team in the nba. and why do you keep saying lee?..what dont you understand about the knicks cap space?..they cant afford lee and bron. and harrington isnt winning games for them? you really think harringtons 18ppg and 6 reb isnt a factor in there wins?...is gallo or chandler putting up that? and another thing you seem to fail to realize is that cleveland will also add another good player next year..they arent gonna have the same roster they have now.. wit the knicks you are talking about for certain that harrington AND lee wont be back if lebron comes....can we stop with the fantasy and look at reality. this isnt nba live with the franchise rules turned off this is real life with a cap

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im still laughing at the

im still laughing at the 1.5million .. let me repeat in bold IF THEY SIGN LEBRON THEY WILL HAVE ABOUT 6MILLION LEFT TO GIVE. DAVID LEE IS NOT GONNA PLAY FOR 6MILLION A YEAR. HE WILL WANT AT LEAST AS MUCH AS PAUL MILLSAP GETS. LETS SAY IN FANTASY WORLD THEY DO SIGN FARMAR. that leaves them with 4.5 million left to play with

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i don't know every detail

i don't know every detail about the salary cap, but the vast majority of teams are well over the cap, so I don't think it is as black and white as you are making it sound quincey. I'm guessing the knicks could get lee resigned even with giving bron a max deal.

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They will have money for Lee

They will have money for Lee once they trade Jeffries. A team thats not a player for 2010 would take Jeffries, Mobleys contract paid by insurance and a piece like nate or al for the playoff run. If that does happen knicks got money for both. EVERYTHING HAPPENING IN AN OFFSEASON IS HYPOTHETICAL, nothing is a guarantee. Theres not guarantee Nets get a good pick. No guarantee all their young players with potential who currently can't win any games will suddenly improve and win. No guarantee wall will be a star or anyone else picked in that draft will be. this is stupid to argue im done no point just wait a few months and maybe ill start this conversation with you in july again.

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farmar was a hypothetical

farmar was a hypothetical don't cling on someting so minor just to make an argument. He wont make or break the success of a knick offseason. I think douglas would be fine next to a superstar that can bring the ball up, we can sign someone like carlos arroyo or even bring back duhon for 2 mil to help out there for 15-20 minutes a game.

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I just have that gut feeling

I just have that gut feeling LeBron is headed to New York

New York!!!!
Concrete jungle where dreams are made of,
There's nothing you can’t do,
Now you're in New York!!!
These streets will make you feel brand new,
the lights will inspire you,
Let's hear it for New York, New York, New York

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