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Darko Milicic in Portland, Why Not?

Portland is in dire need of a healthy center. I've repeatedly stated in this forum that Darko Milicic is an extremely talented 7 footer who lost all of his confidence when he was in Detroit. So far, every team he's been with after the Motown experience gave him sporadic or no playing time at all [i.e. the Knicks]. Despite his physical talents, Milicic apparently never regained his confidence and only performed well on rare occasions in Memphis and Orlando. I think playing the guy every day for an extended period of time could prove to be very beneficial for both him and the Trailblazers.

Portland has nothing to lose and a lot to gain so they should give him a shot in proving he belongs in the NBA. Milicic is a legitimate 7 footer, he's strong, he can run the court, he can rebound, and he can block shots. His offense leaves a lot to be desired but that was also true for Pryzbilla.

I know a lot of guys are going to say Milicic is a bust and he should accept all responsibility for his failure. I agree on both counts, he is a bust and he must be held accountable. However, I would still love to see him get one lengthy opportunity with a team where he can play regularly every night, proving one way or the other, that he does or does not belong in the NBA.


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I feel sorry for this guy, coming into the league in the time of future hall of famers. He's expectations were set to high for him before he even got to play. On top of that, he was drafted to Piston who didn't care much for him. This was the down fall of his career along with the Piston's future. They should have traded away their 2nd pick if they were not going to pick up Melo or stash him away in Euro until he was really ready to play. This boy could play, just not to the expectation that everyone had.

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I've kind of had it with

I've kind of had it with Darko. A lot of people keep making excueses for him, and saying if he only were in a different place he could make it. People were saying how he was going to be the MIP in New York, and guess what, he has barely played. I saw some promise when he was in Orlando, but he has regressed since then. I don't think a change of scenery will help him at all, unless that change is him playing ball in Europe.

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Give it up sir. He's a bust.

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I don't think people grasp

I don't think people grasp what a whiny, entitled child with a poor work ethic Darko has been in the NBA. He absolutely has the natural ability to be a very good starting center in the league, but he is lazy and doesn't work. Stan Van Gundy was asked to comment about whether coaches lie. He said coaches tell players "their time will come" but the players often don't hear what comes after it "if you do A, B, and C." Darko didn't hear that part. He has never done A, B, or C. First off, he is out of shape. Second, he lacks any sort of focus that comes with running an offense or making the proper rotations on defense. Third, he has not developed any part of his offensive game since entering the league. He is the same exact player he is when he entered the league and wasn't good enough to get on the floor. Do vidjenja, Darko.

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here we go again..what more

here we go again..what more is it gonna take for you to realize hes a bust? hes not that good. how much more proof do you need? that reason does portland have to give him a shot?..hes playing in a offense in ny that is the best for getting a player to pick up points and rebounds and he still cant do it there. he is not even close to being as good as jawan howard right now. makes zero sense for portland to get him

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I agree infinity percent...

I agree infinity percent... Hopefully what you said kills any further talk about Darko Milicic. He's a bust... It's not anyone else's fault, but his own. Now, let's mark that down and move on to the next chapter.

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yep... his heart aint in it

yep... his heart aint in it anymore... he said he wanted to go play in Europe...

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yep his heart isnt and his

yep his heart isnt and his skill never was

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hes Adam James long lost

hes Adam James long lost brother when it comes to work ethic.

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The Negative Comments on Darko

Hey guys, I wasn't the least bit surprised by the huge negative reaction and I don't blame anyone for their criticism. In fact, I have to agree with anyone who states that Milicic is a bust and it's his own fault because that's also true. After all, who else can you blame?

Even though I agree with just about everyone above, let me add something to the conversation. About 2 years ago I watched Milicic play a couple of games on TV where he had double digit points, double digit rebounds, and he blocked 5 or 6 shots in those games [approximate numbers]. Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew, you can't do that in the NBA unless you have some big time talent and I was impressed. I thought he was finally on his way and then he did nothing.

Seeing all that talent go to waste is very frustrating and I guess I would feel better if one team and their coach said we're going to put Milcic in the lineup, let him play every night for the next two months, and then we'll find out once and for all if he belongs in the league. I don't know why this bothers me, maybe it's because I saw so many stiffs playing center over the years and then here comes a guy with so much talent who's done virtually nothing with those physical gifts.

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i feel like he's blown all

i feel like he's blown all of his chances...he's immature...his talent level may be pretty high but so was gerald green's...some guys dont have what it takes

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pretty much everyone has a

pretty much everyone has a couple of those games in the nba. you dont have to have big time nba talent to do that rtbt. the collins twins have done it hell even toney delk had something liek a 40 or 50 point game. doing it once or a couple of times doesnt work for teams. you have to be consistant. if a player cant do that consistantly then the team has no need for the player

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Quncey You're Right But ...

Quincey, I think you're right, some guys occasionally have great games even though they don't have much in the way of physical talent. The problem with Milicic is the fact that unlike the Collins twins, he does have outstanding physical talent. Nobody's ever denied his natural talent. Joe Dumars is a very smart GM, there were reasons why he selected Milicic 2nd in the draft. Young 7 footers who can run the court, jump, rebound, and block shots don't come around very often in the draft.

Unfortunately Dumars didn't know, or maybe I should say, couldn't know that Milicic didn't have the inner drive to succeed in the NBA.

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Just a side note

I'm pretty sure Kareem Rush dropped close to 50 a couple years ago too

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dumars made a dumb

dumars made a dumb move..alot of peopel said it was a dumb move even then.. i know i was one who said it was a very very dumb move..i didnt know how good wade or melo or bosh was gonna be but i did know they were gonna be better then darko. he didnt do much in europe. he was just tall and kinda athletic. he wasnt very skilled and still isnt very skille. he didnt have the up side of any of those other players as well. it was a dumb pick by dumars then and now and his excuse then was that they had tayshaun prince which was yet another dumb statement. sooo many announcers were baffled by the darko pick. im not sure how dumars didnt know something everyone else did. on top of that dumb move yet another was bringing iverson in for billups. a smart move would have been getting j.r smith for him...

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What Was Dumars Thinking in 2003?

In my opinion, you have to go back in time and try to figure out the mindset of Dumars.

The Detroit Pistons were a great team and they didn't need much in the way of immediate help. It appears as if Dumar's plan was to select a young big man with great physical talent, groom him for the future, thereby ensuring Detroit would be an elite team for years to come. And Milicic happened to be the young, physically gifted 7 footer he chose. Everyone pounds Dumars for that selection because hindsight is 20-20. Dumars knew the young man had the talent but what he didn't know was that Milicic lacked the drive and desire to become a great NBA center.

In 2003 I don't think anyone knew Dwayne Wade and Carmelo Anthony would become great players. Yes they had lots of talent and most analysts knew they would be good, but I don't think too many people expected them to become super stars.

If Milicic had the drive to succeed and eventually played up to the level of his physical talent, everyone would have called that Dumars selection a brilliant move.

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most had wade as a star and

most had wade as a star and melo as a superstar and bosh as a star. most had darko as a project.

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Of Course He Was A Project

I disagree that most analysts predicted Wade would become a superstar but I agree that Milicic was obviously a project. Dumars and the head coach had no intention of playing him his first year in the league and that somehow extended throughout his 2nd year on the team. Nobody can possibly calculate in numbers what that must have done to his confidence level at such a young age.

Please keep in mind he was only a teenager on a team made up essentially of veterans. How would you do at the age of 18 or 19 on a team where everyone else was in the late twenties or early thirties?

If that wasn't enough of a challenge, he was in a foreign country learning a new language. I'm always amazed by the insensitivity of people to that kind of challenge. I couldn't imagine going to a country like Serbia or Lithuania and learning their language while simultaneously trying to adjust to playing in the best basketball league on the planet. Those were some very formidable challenges, but most sports fans couldn't care less, they only want to see production.

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Jermaine O'Neal went through

Jermaine O'Neal went through exactly the same thing Milicic did, except the language barrier. He turned out okay.

I just don't feel any sympathy for Milicic. Growing up as a basketball player, I was taught that you don't let anyone take your confidence away. You have to be strong minded to play in the NBA. He obviously wasn't.

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Tezo 83, I completely agree, he wasn't strong minded. Obviously his problem isn't inadequate physical skills, it's mental. Since that horrible 3 year experience in Detroit, he has no self confidence on the court. Combine that with an apparent lack of desire on his part to become great and you see a complete waste of talent.

Having said that, I would still like to see some team put him in the lineup every night for an extended period of time to see if they can jolt him into developing confidence and find out if he can become an accomplished professional.

With one major exception, I think he is very similar to Kwame Brown in terms of being a major disappointment as a high draft choice. That major difference is the fact that Kwame Brown's had multiple opportunities to play regularly and never lived up to his potential. I just want to see Milicic get the same opportunity with one team that Brown had with a variety of franchises. If and when Milicic gets that opportunity to play every night, he can make it or fail in the NBA, but at least walk away knowing he had his chance.

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Milicic doesn't have enough

Milicic doesn't have enough confidence to get through a workout or practice, let alone play big minutes consistently in a NBA game...

Speaking of Brown... He had his confidence blown completely to smitherines as a 18-19 year old kid by MICHAEL JORDAN... Who's only the greatest player to play the game. Brown still stayed with it though. He hasn't reached his potential or lived up the standards of a #1 pick, but at least he fought back to be somewhat respectable. Milicic just gave in and stopped working.

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Tezo83, once again, I can't disagree with you because you're probably right. But when I look at Milicic, I think he is a better rebounder, defender, and shot blocker than Kwame Brown. On the offensive end of the court Brown comes out ahead big time.

But if Kwame Brown can get so many opportunities to play center full time in the NBA with a variety of teams, I just want to see one coach give Milicic that same kind of opportunity. If that ever happens, then no matter how it turns out, I'll be happy.

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hes had the same options..he

hes had the same options..he just doesnt do much when he gets the chances..how many more chances do you think he should get?..he doesnt sit the bench just because coaches dont like him...what number team is this for him now 4?..and who should he start over?..

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Quincey That's Not Completely Accurate

Kwame Brown was the starting center on several teams, and despite very poor production, he played a full regimen of minutes over an extended period of time. He didn't have to worry about coming out of the game if he made a few mistakes. Kwame Brown can never complain that he wasn't given his fair share of full opportunities to produce in the NBA.

Milicic was glued to the bench his first three seasons in Detroit. If I remember correctly, he was then given an opportunity to play sporadically in both Orlando and Memphis. But unlike Kwame Brown, who started and played every night, Milicic was on a yo yo. If he didn't play well or if he made a couple of mistakes, he might not get back in the lineup. With a very young player who had his confidence shattered in Detroit, that is hardly the scenario to get him back on track. But in the end, I agree with you in that he didn't make the most of his limited opportunities.

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3 years in Detroit with zero playing time
2 years in Orlando and Memphis with sporadic playing time
1/2 year in NY with virtually zero playing time

I want to see just one coach give Milicic the same long term opportunity Kwame Brown had with several different franchises. It certainly isn't going to happen with the Knicks.

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thats because kwame could at

thats because kwame could at least play some pretty good defense. darko was given minutes and chances when he first went to places but you know what happened?..he didnt do much...im sorry but its not everyone against darko. darko is the reason darko doesnt play. darko cant out play anyone..he had as good of a chance hes ever gonna have with the knicks.. and stil cant do anything. gotta stop making excuses for the guy and just accept hes not that good. kwame isnt that good either but he is a big body thats a pretty good defender.. darko isnt even that. i mean you can make as many excuses as you want for him but the facts dont lie. hes production doesnt lie. youre job off the bench isnt to go in the game and make mistakes untill you do something right. thats not how teams win games. when you come off the bench you have to be ready to produce in that lil bit of tiem you have. this is a business and in a business you arent gonna put someone in for extended minutes if hes hurting youre buisness more then hes helping. obviously darko isnt as good as you hope he is. d'antoni was a big fan of darko and planned on playing him alot more but darkos ability has caused him to not play much not cuz some coach wont give him the chance

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this guy has been in the nba

this guy has been in the nba for 8YEARS is it gonna take 10 years to figure out hes not as good as you think he is?

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another thing no one just

another thing no one just gives you minutes you have to earn it. how about darko does something in the game or how bout this do something in practice where the coach says " damn i need to play him" if you have played int he nba for 8 years and each coach doesnt play you much doesnt that tell you something?..that you just arent good enough to take anyones minutes

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Quincey - No Excuses Are Being Made

Quincey, I'm not making excuses for Milicic, who just like everyone else, has to be accountable for his work ethic, effort, and production on the court.

However, I am saying that I think he has more physical talent than Kwame Brown, but he's never been given the same opportunity to play regularly. I'm not getting into the reason he hasn't played and I'm not saying anyone has anything against the guy. You can never point to anything I said in this thread where I made an excuse for the guy. I did say that coming over as a teenager from a foreign country on a team made up of veterans was a big time challenge. That's not an excuse, it's a fact.

All I'm saying is if Kwame Brown, who repeatedly failed as the starting center on several teams, can have so many opportunities to prove himself, why can't Milicic get just only one similar opportunity. What's wrong with that?

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on top of all that the

on top of all that the knicks went and signed a guy who hasnt played in the nba for 4 years instead of playing darko

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darko got 20min a game out

darko got 20min a game out in orlando..got about 7pts 4reb... you earn chances you dont just get them. he isnt good enough to take anyones minutes..you dont play him just because you feel he should get the minutes. why dont teams just go to the d leauge and start players because some fans think they should get minutes that htye havent earned. you have to earn them in practice first to get them and from what i hear he gets his lunch handed to him in practice so why should he get more minutes? its ok to want someone to get minutes because you think he should but in reality it doesnt work like that. ou have to earn them. im sure jordan hill would love to get more minutes too but he needs to earn them not just get them because he or fans want him ti. and i wouldnt give a player who has a bad attitude and work ethic minutes either..that makes no sense

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No Excuses, Just Facts

Quincey, I'm not making excuses for Milicic, who just like everyone else, has to be accountable for his work ethic, effort, and production on the court.

However, I am saying that I think he has more physical talent than Kwame Brown, but he's never been given the same opportunity to play regularly. I'm not getting into the reason he hasn't played and I'm not saying anyone has anything against the guy. You can never point to anything I said in this thread where I made an excuse for the guy. I did say that coming over as a teenager from a foreign country on a team made up of veterans was a big time challenge. That's not an excuse, it's a fact.

All I'm saying is if Kwame Brown, who repeatedly failed as the starting center on several teams, can have so many opportunities to prove himself, why can't Milicic get just only one similar opportunity to play regularly.

Everybody knocks Milicic but they apparently fail to use the same standard when evaluating Kwame Brown. No matter how many times he failed, there was always another team ready to give him another chance to play regularly.

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matter of fact darko was

matter of fact darko was give 20 24 and 24mpg and got no more then a average of 8pts and 5reb a game. so should he get 30 min over a guy who can do alot more then that in the minutes he got. on top of being able to play defense which darko lacks. so lets play a guy who is weak on defense, not much of a rebounder and not much of a scorer? and yeah kwame even though he plays better defense is also a bust but he obviously does mor ein games and more in practice to earn the minutes he gets

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who fails the standard when

who fails the standard when evaluating kwame?..i havent heard anyone say hes not a bust as well

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Kwame Brown

Yes I agree Quincey, people say Kwame Brown is a bust. However, I don't see anybody complaining about all of the chances he had to prove himself. But when it comes to Milicic, everyone describes the 25 year old as essentially a piece of trash who doesn't belong in the NBA and they say he should go back to Europe.

Everybody says Darko hasn't earned the right to play. Maybe they're right, and maybe it's just me, but that feels like a double standard because I never saw Kwame Brown earn the right to play. Why don't they say that about him?

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I've never heard or read

I've never heard or read anything bad about Kwame's work ethic. Players like Gilbert Arenas and Rasheed Wallace actually had good things to say about him...

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I know Gilbert Arenas and

I know Gilbert Arenas and Rasheed Wallace aren't the most likable guys lol, but I'm just staying... They both had very good things to say about Brown.

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Tezo83 on Kwame Brown

tezo83, I guess I wasn't clear, I was talking about his production, or should I say lack thereof, on the court. Over the years Kwame Brown repeatedly proved he wasn't a starting center caliber type player in the NBA, but he was constantly given one opportunity after another to be a starting center. In my opinion, based upon his lack of production, Kwame Brown didn't earn any of those extra opportunities.

Therefore I think there's a double standard when you look at Milicic in relation to K. Brown where guys like Quincey say Milicic never earned the opportunity to play. But I never hear them make the same complaint about K. Brown.

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maybe because all you are

maybe because all you are looking at is stats and not the fact that kwame has been known to play pretty good defense. darko isnt know to do one thing to earn minutes. not one. the collins twins werent much stat wise but they would play defense and bang. something kwame does pretty well. if darko could do that then maybe he would get more time. but he doesnt bring anything to the table for a team that someone else on the team can already do much better

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Quicney, I Don't Think So

If you look at Milicic on offense, other than his passing ability, you can't say very much that's positive. Kwame Brown clearly wins on that end of the court. However, when it comes to rebounding and shot blocking, I think he's better than K. Brown.

But none of that changes my opinion that Kwame Brown never earned the opportunity, as you would say, to continually be a starting center in the NBA. But people somehow blame Milicic, who was never given the same kind of opportunities, by claiming he never earned it. That strikes me as a double standard.

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i cant believe

i cant believe people are actually argueing who is a bigger scrub darko or kwame

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lol. theres a reason arko is

lol. theres a reason arko is talking about playing in europe and no team is talking about stopping him to sign him. how u figure hes a better rebounder and shot blocker?..kwame has better career highs in both. maybe ill give u shot blocking but defense is more then just shot blocking. it doesnt mater if darko gets one more block if hes still giving up too many points to who hes guarding

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bobbyb, That's No the Point

bobbyb, clearly both Kwame Brown and Darko Milicic are high draft choices who are busts but that isn't the point of this discussion. What I find somewhat frustrating is the difference in how both players were treated. Despite playing poorly on every franchise who signed him, K. Brown was repeatedly given full blown opportunities by one new team after another, who inserted him in the lineup at center and played him every night.

Milicic sat on the bench for 3 years with Detroit, he was given some playing opportunities by Memphis and Orlando, and then the Knicks glued him back to the bench this season. For whatever reason, maybe out of fairness, I would like to see Milicic get the same opportunity Kwame Brown had to fail with several different teams. At least K. Brown was on the court full time and repeatedly failed, in other words he earned it by playing poorly.

If I had to guess, I would say Milicic would also fail if given an opportunity to play regularly, but just out of curiosity, I would like to see him given that chance to succeed or fail on the court.

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