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Chicago Bulls/Washington Wizards TRADE

Wizards get: Kirk Hinrich, Jerome James

Bulls get: Caron Butler, Mike James

I'm guessing maybe some draft picks will be involved too if the deal goes down.

As a Bulls fan I am praying this deal happens haha!  I've been saying forever that Hinrich needs to be traded.  Butler is better than Hinrich plus they make the same amount of money but...Butler has one less year on his contract than Hinrich does.  Great move for the Bulls both short term & long term.

Mike James & Jerome James both have expiring contracts so they just cancel each other out really. 


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Probably wont happen unless

Probably wont happen unless Chicago takes another contract that would reduce payroll for Washington... I think cap relief is the only goal of Washington as of the moment... I'm sure the Wiz are praying for criminal charges against Agent 0 so they could void that ridiculous contract of his... It's sad to think that a few years ago, they were a real big man away from being an east contender... Now they have one of the worst situations in the NBA...

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I was thinking the same
I was thinking the same thing Jumbybo about cap space when I first saw this rumored trade.  However, I read that Washington is so desperate right now that they are just trying to shake their team up.  They want to make some pretty big changes within the next 2 weeks.  
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Pargo

whats the point of both of the james'? they're contracts are pretty much the same and if the bulls get Mike and Butler then what does that do to Pargo

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Bulls would probably have to

Bulls would probably have to include JJ or Taj in that trade, possibly another 1st rounder too, otherwise it's just Hinrich for Butler straight up, that would be a horrible trade for the Wiz, but I suppose, they traded (Rubio, Flynn, Curry, or Jennings) for Randy Foye and Mike Miller, I can't believe Grunfeld did that, I'm from MN and I can tell you from many disappointments that Miller and Foye never should've been traded for that kind of value. How many games has Miller been out and what's Foye's PPG? Loved that Ryan Hollins block on him last week, Foye goes up so weak to the basket, let me tell you, he and Telfair were the worst at going to basket and hitting shots over defenders, so happy they went with Flynn, even though Jennings is a step ahead in understanding their position, probably due to the fact that Jennings plays with a PG coach and Flynn plays with a Coach who's philosophy is built around constant ball movement and not having the PG be the main playmaker. I think Hammond said Flynn was their first choice. I can't believe Curry has half the FTAs that Flynn has, obviously Curry is the better shooter, but Flynn just has that knack to draw fouls, gotta love it, just too bad the Wolves have the worst collection of swingmen in the League, otherwise Flynn would look much better, let's say they get the 3rd pick for instance, who do they take? From watching the Wolves this year, I can say they need a rim protector like all hell, perferably a 7 footer too, they just can't rely on two 6'10" guys, one with below average athleticism and the other with average athleticism, but with good length defending the basket. This is especially important because one is still recovering from a major knee tear, he has looked better as of late, but they still need someone big defending the middle. Could Aldrich really be that guy, is he worth the #3 pick? Who's more of a risk at not reaching their potential, or who has a lower ceiling, Aldrich, Wes Johnson, Evan Turner, Al-Farouq Aminu, or Xavier Henry?

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I think unloading Hinrich

I think unloading Hinrich would be a good idea, but Lindsey Hunter and Pargo combined at backup point guard just is too big a drop off at backup poing guard. I know Mike James is been thrown in, but he has been hurt all year and with the Bulls surging, I just feel like they could use a better backup point guard.

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Are the Wiz that desperate

Are the Wiz that desperate that they'd be willing to dump value like Butler just for salary cap relief? I feel bad for the Wiz fans if that were the case, doesn't Hinrich have another year on his contract after this year, what's the point in the Wiz trying to get him then if he doesn't offer salary cap relief after this season? Does Hinrich really have that kind of value?

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666- I don't think Aldrich

666- I don't think Aldrich is worth the #3 pick.  Out of those wings you mentioned I think Turner & Wesley Johnson are the best options.  Both have polished games & should be able to contribute pretty quickly.  I like Turner the best.  Both of those guys could help out the TWolves.  I think Henry is a good player but I don't know if he can make the type of impact that Turner or Wes can.  There is a lot of risk drafting Henry that high.  Aminu is the player that is most likely not to reach his potential.  I wouldn't take him in the top 10, I know I am in the minority on that though.  He just doesn't shoot well at all, this really limits his value as a SF.  I also agree the TWolves need a big long post player.  Jerome Jordan would be a good choice.  Minnesota could pick him late in the 1st or early in the 2nd.  With 6 picks, the TWolves can own this draft.

I would be cool with it if the Bulls also included Taj Gibson in that deal.

JoeWolf- True the backup PG would be a little weak but it is weak now with Hinrich.  He just isn't that good anymore.  Adding someone like Butler would be make the Bulls quite a bit better.

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http://www.mikejonessports.co

http://www.mikejonessports.com/2010/01/startling-picture-starting-to-bec...

I read about that trade rumor from the link above.  It also discusses other potential trades as well as the story about what really happened between Arenas & Crittenton...pretty interesting. 

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Hinrich

Hinrich probably for Butler isn't the worst trade in the world, especially if Washington ends up with no Pg after this whole Arenas thing clears whether it's because they void his deal, suspension or jail time. Speaking of jail time, no one is mentioning that. DC probably has as harsh if not harsher laws than NY for this type of thing. It could be Plexico Burress all over again if not worse.

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gatorheels, Not a fan of

gatorheels,

Not a fan of Aminu either, watched a lot of Wake games this year and have never seen anything that stood out at me besides his size. Not overly quick either, Julian Wright II? I'm just not sure if Turner can be as successful as he can without the ball in hands, can he really come off screens and hit shots, I just don't think I've seen enough of him. I like Wes, but I have the opposite questions for him as I do for Turner, can he really create off the dribble? I would have to go with Turner right now, even with the back injury.

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Butler is a 2 time All Star,

Butler is a 2 time All Star, I'm not sure if Hinrich will ever be confused for an All Star, All Defensive 3rd Team yes, but not All Star, is Butler really worth giving up for that? I could see it happening with Gibson and/or a 1st Round Pick being involved though, otherwise I think the Wiz are making a big mistake.

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to be honest this trade

to be honest this trade doesnt make awhole lot of sense to me. why get butler when you already have deng?..and deng is playing the same or better then butler is playing right now plys hes a better shooter then butler and a better rebounder?..are they thinking of playing butler at the sg? butler isnt a shooting guard and hes not a threat from 3point range

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Right now the Bulls need a

Right now the Bulls need a guy that can stretch the D, like Kevin Martin of the Kings. Brad Miller, Tyrus Thomas, and James Johnson for Martin and Kenny Thomas?

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The Kings/Bulls trade worked

The Kings/Bulls trade worked on ESPN Trade Machine. That means nothing besides that it works financially, it said the Kings would win 15 less games and the Bulls would win 11 less games. How many more games have the Kings won this year without having Martin stagnate ball movement?

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the wizards, if they are

the wizards, if they are smart, will trade for young guys and picks. not hinrich

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the I in win, Could not

the I in win,

Could not agree more.

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Good trade, JJ has to be

Good trade, JJ has to be included. I think Deng should back up Butler in the long-run. Butler skill-set complements Rose. Unlike Deng, his ability to extend out to three point land is very crucial. Bulls should find a way to pry their 2010 pick away, too.

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