OKC Should Start Thinking About Trading Up In The Draft Now...
Well it looks like OKC will likely have a very late lottery pick or pick 15 or 16 in the 2010 draft. The Suns' pick that the Thunder own will probably be no higher than 20. These facts combined with the fact that the Thunder don't really need anymore young bench players (especially rookies. they need a stud rookie starter in the frontcourt) means to me that they should package the two picks they currently have for a top 10 pick. There WILL be a team outside the top 3 ready for a 2 or 1 deal in a potentially VERY deep draft. This scenario is more likely when you consider the economic environment. It will cost a cash strapped team less or about the same to pay say the 14th or 15th pick and a pick in the mid 20s over a top 5 or 6 pick. I know OKC's plan has been to draft two players every year, but if their main target is currently out of reach, they should take advantage of the slew of assets (including a potentially high second rounder) they have make a draft deal. Of course, if they just miss the playoffs, there will be me on lotto day hoping they get really really lucky so they don't have to trade anything! lol
i love the talent The Thunder have assembled..Imagine how great they're be if they got a big man like Greg Monroe..I still think Westbrook will be much better at shooting guard...He would be a top 10 scorer if he played shooting guard..but right now they dont need him to score 20 a nite....Alot of teams in the west have improved this season...And all have great young talent...alot of teams out will be afraid if the Thunder made the playoffs, becuz they have so many weapons.
I think the thunder are going to end up being the best lottery team and will likely have the 14th selection. Most bad teams arent going to trade their picks right now until they find out what number pick they have. They arent going to miss out on a higher draft pick, so theyll just wait. I definitely think that the 14th,20th, and maybe even a future second rounder will be able to move up in this draft and maybe get the 6th, 7th,or 8th pick or something along those lines. They will definitely go after a bid man and I think Cole Aldrich and Greg Monroe would be great for this team.
Yeah I agree a mid teens pick and a 20s pick should definitely land a top 10 pick especially if this draft is as deep as everyone is saying it's going to be. I even heard Malcolm Lee is leaving UCLA early after an average season stat wise.
there team is good as is. all they need is a stronger bench and let the talent that they have get better. i dont think they need to move up
I don't think the Thunder have a ton of talent outside of Durant. Obviously, he is a top five talent in the game, and that is why the Thunder have improved. Beyond him, though, it is really mediocre. Do Jeff Green and Russell Westbrook really resemble #2 and #3 guys for contenders? Are there two less efficient scorers than those two at their positions? Nenad Krstic? Thabo Sefolosha? Maybe they could scam someone into thinking they have talent, but I don't see it. Is anyone impressed by B.J. Mullens? Or is it Byron Mullens? Ooooohhhhhh. Serge Ibaka? Harden is aiiight, but the next Manu or Roy he is not.
If they can package any combination of picks and players to get a Turner, Aldrich, or one of the million power forwards they should. The last thing they should want to do is fall in love with their average players like the 2007 Bulls did or 2009 Blazers did.
Both teams played hard...1 of my favorite nba phases....hahahaha
BothTeamsPlayedHard do you really think Durant is the only above average player on that team? Who's your favorite team? I respectfully disagree with you. Is their current record a fluke? And please don't tell me it's all because of Durant. This is the NBA so let's be serious. One player doesn't win 5 straight and 18 overall by Jan 1 by himself against any pro teams.
If they got that european who's name I can't spell (mojentuas??) and he panned out then this team would be so scary. Or even just an aldrich or someone of the sorts would be a great pick as well. I actually see this as being a likely scenario.
Russell Westbrook and Jeff Green are ideal 2 and 3 option... I think Westbrook is as explosive as any PG in the league an considering he is only 21 years old he will only get better (shooting and descision making) and Jeff Green who is only 23 years old (strong quick defensive minded power foward) is also a nice compilment to Durant ....When you add two 20 year olds in Ibaka (a future double double) and James Harden (a perfect glue guy) you have the best young talent in the league... This team is VERY YOUNG they just need a couple seasons to gel then watch out they are going to be scary....
It isn't that I don't think they are "above average" just that I don't think a team will ever compete for a title with Jeff Green playing second fiddle. He is good, just not THAT good. Russell Westbrook is a great athlete and defender who is growing as a point, but Rondo was the 5th option on the Celtics team who won the title. Compare the Thunder's supporting cast to that of the Magic, Lakers, Celtics, Spurs, and Mavericks. I don't see it. The Cavs supporting cast isn't anything to brag about, but I'm not sold that if LeBron and Durant swapped teams that LeBron's chances of winning a title would be any better than it is now.
All I'm saying is that the Thunder need a real 2nd option if they want to go forward and eventually compete for a title. A second option and a center who can do more than Nenad Krstic. He isn't awful, but lets not kid ourselves.
I haven't thought about Motiejunas as a possibility. If he is money from three ala Gallinari or Dirk, the Thunder could definitely use him since they need three point shooting as well as interior defense and rebounding. I just don't know how well Motiejunas would rebound at the four. If OKC keeps their two picks, they could land Henry and then settle for someone like Patterson or with their second pick.
BothTeamsPlayedHard: Now I agree with you. Green isn't a 2nd or 3rd option to me either. I maintain he will be a dynamite 6th man once OKC gets that double double guy inside. Sorry for the confusion bro.
You cant really compare the Thunders supporting cast with those teams becasue they are veteran teams that are built to win now and the Thunder are and up and coming that needs time to gel (those guys are very young)...
right now in my mock draft i have them drafting willie warren(scoring punch of the bench), luke babbit(3 point specialist), and derek caracter(big banger for rebounding)..trading up might be a good idea to get quality over quantity..
BillyK, you sound just like all those Portland and Chicago fans who thought so highly of their young players. Just wait for Travis Outlaw to develop. Nicolas Batum and Rudy Fernandez were steals. Everyone is SOOOOO young. Well, now they paid Roy and Aldridge, capped themselves out, and are stuck with all those young guys playing important roles. Serge Ibaka is not anything special. Here are the 2nd and 3rd options on contenders (Vince Carter and Rashard Lewis; Tony Parker and Richard Jefferson; Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett; Pau Gasol and Ron Artest/LamarOdom/Andrew Bynum; heck even Mo Williams and Shaq). Where will Russell Wesbrook and Jeff Green ever fit into that kind of mix?
My guess would be that eventually Durant is going to slide over to the 4. Once his body fills out, he should be able to handle it. It is similar to how Indy played Jonathan Bender at the 2 when he was a rail thin rookie, and then over time slid him down to the 4 (before his knee ended him for a number of years). I don't think Motiejunas would make sense because of that. Plus, Donatas is playing his first season of high level adult men's ball. He isn't failing or anything, but he is still inexperienced. He has a pretty stroke, but it is a big leap. How long does OKC want to be the "young up and comer" because I think that tag needs to be retired from any team or player once that core comes up for extensions.
Green needs to be traded he is not a power forward, he is trying to be Rashard Lewis but to need that, they would need a Howard, i think they should use green and one of there picks to draft Favors and with a later pick snag Monroe
Monroe - Favors - Durant - Sefolosha/Harden - Westbrook
Krstic - Collison - Sefolosha/Harden - Weaver - Maynor
They also need to pick up a Small forward off the bench to give rest to durant
Jeff Green is a 3-4 option on a team not just in scoring but he fills every need on the floor. He slashs in the lane and can hit an occasional 3 with passing and rebounding ability he is very versatile and can help on any position on the floor. But if you don't believe that green is not 3rd option what do you can Harden. sure he is the 5th option on the team and he is only going to improve his skill level to be a 3rd or 4th option. Harden at 6-5 can slash hit three and rebound assist. Thinking of it all four stars on that team, Durant, Harden, Green Westbrook can score assist rebound and have solid games. so if it feels like there not a 2nd or 3rd option on another team in the nba its because they as a team are so versatile. If they add monroe or Aldrich they will be set in the west.
for one durant isnt gonna slide to the 4. thats just crazy. 2 hes not gonna get much bigger just like price,reggie miller so him fillig out is not gonna happen. 3 he has a very good supporting cast and there record shows that on top of the players being young. why cant green be a 3rd or second option or westbrook?..youre talking like they are already well into there primes or something. you dont need a superstar 2 option to win when you play the type of ball they do just like the pistons did it
Reggie wasn't in the NBA until he was 22 or 23. Durant turned 21 a couple months ago. Of course, he is going to get bigger than he is now.
Second, the Thunder's record shows Kevin Durant has gone from good to great. Was it the Cavs supporting cast that was the reason they made the leap into the playoffs in LeBron's third year or was it LeBron's growth?
Third, the Pistons would be the counter to your argument. The Pistons of 2004 were great because they had four guys on the floor at any given time who could initiate their offense. They banked on knowing opposing teams couldn't defend all of them. Brown, and later Flip, would have sets run to pick on the other team's weakest defender and the offense would work off that. That is why some games Billups would go for 30. Another Rip, then Sheed, then Prince, etc. OKC can't do that. If Durant isn't going off, they aren't competitive.
What is Jeff Green going to develop into? What is he going to learn to do better? He is a nice player. A team can win with him, but he isn't great. Russell Westbrook is a fantastic athlete, but maybe he takes the next step and becomes as good as Rondo was in 2008. Congrats, Rondo was the 5th option on a title team, and I don't see a KG, Pierce, Ray Allen, or Perkins in OKC.
I can see Jeff Green becoming a Pierce, Durant becoming as great as Garnett, Harden (maybe) becoming like an Allen, and if they snag Aldrich or Monroe, they could become just as good as Perkins, except Aldrich is too soft to have that attitude haha. Ok, your argument with Kobe is that he has a superstar supporting cast. Pau is in his 30s and how long did it take him to become an All Star? Green is 23, Westbrook is 21 and Harden is 20. If Green never gets any better by the time he's Pau's age, then I'll listen