Bill Simmons top 96 Basketball players of all time
U have to read the book to truly understand the rankings but here they are
96. Tom Chambers
95. Jo Jo White
94. Jack Twyman
93. Kevin Johnson
92. Bob Lanier
91. Dwight Howard
90. Chris Paul
89. Shawn Kemp
88. Gail Goodrich
87. Connie Hawkins
86. Arvydas Sabonis
85. Robert Horry
84. Cliff Hagan
83. Vince Carter
82. Chris Mullin
81. Dave Bing
80. Bailey Howell
79. Bobby Dandridge
78. Paul Westphal
77. Dan Issel
76. Artis Gilmore
75. Tracy McGrady
74. Joe Dumars
73. Sidney Moncrief
72. Chris Webber
71. Lenny Wilkens
70. David Thompson
69. Dennis Rodman
68. Pete Maravich
67. Earl Monroe
66. Adrian Dantley
65. Alex English
64. Jerry Lucas
63. Ray Allen
62. Reggie Miller
61. Bob McAdoo
60. Nate Archibald
59. Robert Parish
58. Bernard King
57. Tommy Heinsohn
56. Paul Arizin
55. Dominique Wilkins
54. Paul Pierce
53. Dwayne Wade
52. Dennis Johnson
51. Bill Sharman
50. Dolph Schayes
49. Elvin Hayes
48. James Worthy
47. Billy Cunningham
46. Hal Greer
45. Dave DeBusschere
44. Nate Thurmond
43. Clyde Drexler
42. Jason Kidd
41. Wes Unseld
40. Gary Payton
39. Patrick Ewing
38. Steve Nash
37. Dirk Nowitzki
36. George Mikan
35. Kevin McHale
34. George Gervin
33. Sam Jones
32. Walt Frazier
31. Dave Cowens
30. Willis Reed
29. Allen Iverson
28. David Robinson
27. Bill Walton
26. Rick Barry
25. John Stockton
24. Scottie Pippen
23. Isiah Thomas
22. Kevin Garnett
21. Bob Cousy
20. LeBron James
19. Charles Barkley
18. Karl Malone
17. Bob Pettit
16. Julius Erving
15. Kobe Bryant
14. Elgin Baylor
13. John Havlicek
12. Moses Malone
11. Shaquille O’Neal
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
9. Oscar Robertson
8. Jerry West
7. Tim Duncan
6. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Larry Bird
4. Magic Johnson
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2. Bill Russell
1. Michael Jordan
Is he serious?
Not only is he ranking players, he is putting them on different levels?
Tim Duncan is on a different level than Kobe?
Dennis Johnson is better than T-Mac?
Wilt Chamberlain #7?
Iverson not in the top 20?
I like the list overall.... Like everyone else I would make a few changes.... but it's not a big deal..... Simmons DEF favors his home town Celtic players too much..... But the two comments or recomendations I would make (def not criticism)....... is:
1. I really believe that the ABA stats of players should be at least noted & taken into consideration when we make All Time Great lists..... I realize that we can not combine them..... But use common sense
2. Instead of ranking in Tiers - rank these guys by Time Period..... For Example: the NBA is 68 years old.... So rank the Top Dozen from each Decade..... It's fun debating but it's impossible to compare players from different Era's......
So 1970's Top 12 or 15: Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Dr.J Julius Erving, Moses Malone, Bill Walton, Bob McAdoo, Walt Frazier, Earl Monroe, Elvin Hayes, Wes Unseld, Pete Maravich, Bob Lanier, Dave Cowens, Mychal Thompson, Bernard King......
1980's: Jordan, Magic, Larry Bird, Isaiah Thomas, Hakeem Olajuwon, Charles Barkley, James Worthy, Kevin McHale, Dominique Wilkens, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Scottie Pippen, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Chris Mullin, Mitch Richmond
1990's: Gary Payton, Shaquille O'Neal, Alonzo Mouring, Chris Webber, Penny Hardaway, Jason Kidd, Grant Hill, Kevin Garnette, Allen Iverson, Tracy McGrady, Jesus Shuttlesworth, Vince Carter.....
2000's: Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzski, Paul Pierce, Pau Gasol, Yao Ming, Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony, Dwayne Wade, Dwight Howard,
2010's: Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Blake Griffin, Chris Paul, Paul George, John Wall, Boogie Cousins, Uni-brow Davis, Andre Drummond,
You have to read the book....but ill help you.
Yea. Different levels of " The Pyramid"
Yea, He rated them now. Kobe is not that far off from Duncan and Duncan was dominant from day 1
Dennis Johnson was better then McGrady....That's one you have to read
Wilt is 6th.
Iverson is not a top 20 player all time....
How is Charles Barkley 10 spots better than Iverson?
Charles Barkley was a guy who at 6-6 was probably the 2nd best offensive rebounder in the NBA. He was lazy and overwieght but once he got traded to Pheonix, He put up 4 seasons that were ranked in the top 20 for a PF.
What hurt Iverson was more his attitude. Where Barkley wanted teammates and wanted someone who he can defer to, Iverson drove teammates away from him and only passed if he had to.
Look at the career numbers. Don't only look at scoring, look at the 2nd stats ( Rebounding, passing)
simmons just did an article about a week ago in espn the mag where he said he wanted to make some changes to his book and one of the changes was that Kobe moved into the top 10 and went from being selfish to a guy who was about winning.
also, looking at the list, you have to think about comparing era's. I mean does anybody on here really think Mikan could out play Dirk? No, but from the larger perspective, Mikan had a greater impact on the game during his time when he was dominant and revolutionized what big men could do to impact the game.
I forgot to mention that- Thanks!
well that is a list. i just can't justify putting anyone who played before 1970 in the discussion. They didn't even play the same game back then.
Yea... True, but you have to respect what they did in their era.
billy cunningham ahead of dwyane wade...has anyone even heard of billy cunningham, wades a champion (NBA and Olympic)
Billy Cunningham played in the olympics, was a top SF in his era and won 2 rings.
Apparently he knows nothing about the "Kangaroo Kid" lol.
I have nothing wrong with the list they way he did it, by there careeer acomplishmets impact on the game etc.. But if i saw gunna compile a best players list i would go by skill and athleticism and mmore towards this era because lets face it these are the best athletes in the world playing now and they could get by with that against some of the older players back in the day
People that need to be higher:
Pistol pete - changed the nba game forever
Rodman- maybe im biased but hes got 5 rings and 2x defensive player of the year and 7 defensive first team and 7 time rebounding leader - at 6 foot 7/8.
Alex English - one of the better scorers the game has seen
People to go down
Moses malone - Pantheon? top 12? more around 18
Sabonis? i think its debatable he averaged 12 and 7 in his nba career but maybe cause he was out of his prime
dantley- probs should be about 10 spots lower
and one more thing, if Paul, Wade, Howard, Ray Allen and TMAc all make this list, where is carmelo anthony????
Whoa....Moses Malone was a top 10 all time.
I agree with the rest. Carmelo Anthony has stepped up last season...more years like that and he'll be on the list
moses malone? 3 time MVP...career averages of 20 ppg, 12 rpg...4 time on the all NBA first team
I dont know exactly where I would put him but I do think Melo has to be on the list. Hes been a top tier scorer and player since he entered the league and hes made the Nuggets a perrenial playoff team when before he got there they were a laughing stock and thunderforwin mentioned it, if youre going to put the likes of cp3 and dwight on the list its obsurd Melos not on it.
cunningham ahead of dominique wilkins?!?!?!?!?!
dwyane wade has only played 6 1/2 years and almost has as many points as cunningham so nice try negating my points you blabbering idiots
80. Bailey Howell..Who is he?
79. Bobby Dandridge...Who is he?
85. Robert Horry.....LOL ...He is not a top 200 basketball player of all-time
84. Cliff Hagan......Who is he?
Why the hell is Robert Horry on this list? He is maybe top 960, being generous.
I don't think that Dirk Nowtizki should be that high at #37...I don't like this list at all really. He left off a lot of names that should be on there. I don't see guys like Arvydas Sabonis or Alex English being that low making sense. Plus he has a lot of young guys on here that to me haven't done enough yet.
okay maybe i was wrong with malone
ill admit my errors
okay maybe i was wrong with malone
ill admit my errors
Cunningham averaged 20 points, 10 rebounds and 4 assists during his 9 year NBA career, and 23, 11, and 6 in his two year ABA career. Voted to the top 50 NBA players of all time in 1996.
Wade has averaged 25 points, 6 assists, and almost 5 boards...
I'd take 20, 10 and 4 anyday.
Barkley deserves top 20. Kobe is now top 10 per a recent simmons article. Looks like a pretty good list to me.
Barkely averaged 22 points, almost 12 rebounds, (4 offensive), and 4 assists in his 15 year career.. much better than Iversons 26, 6 assists, and almost 4 rebounds in his 14 year career (so far, but those numbers will keep going down if he keeps trying to play.) Plus Barkley shot MUCH better from the field, and .5% behind in Free throws.
I like the Book of basketball. A GREAT book for NBA fans.
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I know this is a spam generated bump, but for the fun of it, I like Simmons inclusion of Jason Kidd. I don't think he gets enough credit. He should have won the 2001(or '02?) MVP over Duncan for essentially doing what Nash won two MVP's for years later, but better. The guy led league in assists, was the best perimeter defender in the NBA, and also happened to lead his team in rebounds, all while taking them to back-to-back NBA Finals (something Nash never did in Phoenix as a system player). There are some gaudy stats from guys like Stockton and Nash, and while I respect the hell out of them, I somehow just feel like Kidd's assists were more genuine and earned... as if he was racking them up outside of the system he played in, just based on being an amazing floor general. I really feel like Jason Kidd is the best point guard we've seen since Magic.