How to fix the sixers/ tmac trade
The sixers are in need of dramatic change as unfortunately they are in salary cap hell and have to end to it in sight. They have some talented parts but not that one key player that could catapult them to contender status. They need a complete make-over and the recent availability of Tracy McGrady offers them that opportunity. Here is my layout over the next year of the ideal scenario to fix the sixers. There are contingencies to the plan but this would be the ideal scenario.
Elton Brand- 14,858,471
Andre Iguodala- 12,200,000
Lou Williams- 4,972,500
Tracy McGrady- 23,239,561
Shane Battier- 6,939,200
Kyle Lowry- 2,034,996
Brent Barry- 2,062,800
Chase Budinger- 750,000
Why the sixers make the trade- Free themselves from the salary cap hell that they have placed themselves and start over. They also add a player that could bring their horrible attendance numbers up a little. The team probably will not be good enough to win many games this year which is the approach that the sixers need to take if they plan on improving the team in the long term. Budinger is a good throw in as well, providing them with a nice young, athletic shooter for a very affordable price and multiple years.
Why the rockets make the trade- Andre Iguodala though he is not a great 1st option is the perfect second option and definitely an ideal one to a top flight center. He does a lot of things well and is an all-star caliber player in the mold of a Scottie Pippen. His game would compliment Yao's perfectly. Also Brand could be rejuvenated in a more half court oriented, grind them down sort of team which is the style that Rick Adelman has played with this rocket team. With Yao commanding the paint, the top of the key will be open for Brand to loom. The combination of these 3 players, along with Ariza, Brooks and the abundance of other talent on this team would make them a legitimate contender for years to come.
Jason Kapono- 6,212,960
Luke Ridnour- 6,500,000
Sixers make the trade to clear up salary. They also get a backup point guard for the remainder of the year. The Bucks get an affordable dead eye shooter who could open the floor for Jennings and Bogut. He also is under contract for a year longer so they get something of value for Ridnour.
The total amount of the expiring contracts that the Sixers acquired in these trades would total 33,837,357. This would mean that the total amount of salaries the sixers are committed to entering free agency would be 31,220,466. The estimated salary cap next summer is projected to drop to 53,600,000. That would mean that the sixers have 22,379,534 straight under the cap plus the mid level exception which is estimated to be around 5.5 million.
The sixers should have a lot of ping pong balls in the lottery this year and should get a top 5 pick in the draft. For this scenario we’re going to assume/hope that they get the #1 pick. They would use this obviously to select John Wall who looks to be a sure fire pick and a potential Superstar in the Dwayne Wade/ Derrick Rose ilk. With their second round pick the sixers could pick up a solid athletic big with athleticism. I was thinking someone like a Jarvis Vernado. The potential is now in place with a young, talented core as well as cap space which leads to our next move.
SIGN LEBRON JAMES! A core of John Wall, Thaddeus Young, Marreese Speights, and fillers is more than any other team could offer him. A combination of him and Wall would just be ridiculous and almost unfair. The next signing after this would be to make a multi year offer to a change of pace point guard. Enter Nate Robinson, who although has proven to be a quality NBA player, will not receive the type of money that he is really worth. I believe he could be had for a multi year deal averaging 3.5-4.5 million which is more back-loaded. The next signing would be a veteran big who could help shore up the defense. The team would be very enticing for players who are looking to win a championship. A perfect fit would be Marcus Camby. He could be had for a reasonable price at his age and if we threw the rest of the Mid Level exception at him for a chance to win a championship, a deal could be struck.
After those trades the team would look as such
PG John Wall Nate Robinson Jrue Holiday
SG LeBron James Willie Green Chase Budinger
SF Thaddeus Young Shane Battier
PF Marcus Camby Jason Smith Jarvis Vernado
C Samuel Dalembert Marreese Speights
That would be a good team, definitely a strong contender for a championship, but the possibility to get even better is there. Which leads us to trade 3
Samuel Dalembert- 12,200,000
Willie Green- 3,976,000
Shane Battier- 7,354,500
Jrue Holiday- 1,514,280
Unprotected first round pick in 2011 or 2012
Kevin Martin- 11,100,005
Andres Nocioni- 7,500,000
Francisco Garcia- 5,500,000
Why the sixers make this trade- They acquire a top notch shooter who is among the best scorers in the league. They add more talent around a very talented squad and would make them the FAVORITE to win the championship.
Why Sacramento makes this trade- There is a growing consensus that Tyreke Evans is better suited to playing the 2 guard spot. Unfortunately they already have an all star caliber, high priced player in that spot. Ty looks to be a legitimate piece to build around and they have other talented young pieces in Omri Casspi, Jason Thompson and Spencer Hawes as well. What they really need is a point guard to put them over the top. Unfortunately they won’t have the cap space in the near future to afford a top of the line point guard in the near future. My shedding Martin, Nocioni and Garcia’s contracts and acquiring those expiring deals, they will be players in the free agent market the coming year and could acquire said point guard. Holiday also provides them with a potential point guard in case they are unable to attain a top line point. They also should have a high pick in the draft with such a young team and could further build on their accumulating young assets.
With all those proposed moves the sixers depth chart would look as such
PG John Wall Nate Robinson
SG Kevin Martin Chase Budinger Francisco Garcia
SF Thaddeus Young Andres Nocioni
PF LeBron James Jason Smith Jarvis Vernado
C Marreese Speights Marcus Camby
That rotation has depth and is absolutely ridiculous as starters. The best part about this team is that they are really young too. If that core were to stay together, it could be a dynasty in the making. Now these moves are hypothetical and have little to no likelihood of happening since it is the No Balls Association, but this would be the best way to build a squad from the abyss that the sixers are currently in.
Iggy should not be involved in any trade with anyone, the sixers need him. and t-mac is wahsed up
Iggy has to be involved to make the trade. The rockets arent going to trade for salaries just for the hell of it. They need to get talent back in return. The sixers are in a situation where they are stuck. They are locked in for the next 4-5 years with the roster they have due to the contracts they gave out. They don't have the star player to be anything but an average team (they thought they were getting this player with Brand). By making this trade they give themselves the opportunity on two fronts (draft and free agency) to get that superstar caliber player while maintaining some of their young promising talent.
Dude, your ideas are so ridiculous.
1. The Rockets would never agree to this deal, locking up all that money to these players makes no sense at all. Considering you have no idea on the status of Yao going foward, and having to re-sign Brooks to a long term, expensive contract eventually, commiting to contract like that for the Rockets would be horrendous.
2. The Bucks would never trade for Kapono. Ridnour is a valuable expiring contract, and they have plenty of SF's. Move would not make sense for them in the slightest sense.
3. John Wall will never be a Sixer. They don't have that kind of luck.
4. LeBron James will never be a Sixer. It's about a 95% chance he stays in Cleveland, 5% he goes to leave for beautiful weather in Miami to go pair up with Wade.
5. A team no longer has a mid-level exception if they are under the cap. Besides, Marcus Camby would never just elect to go sign with the Sixers while he's still playing good ball.
Now, a realistic approach for the Sixers would be to roll with the young guys, hoping for the 2011 free agency class, headed by Carmelo Anthony. Here's the moves to get there:
1. Send Andre Iguodala, Rodney Carney, and Royal Ivey to the Oklahoma Thunder for James Harden, Thabo Sefolosha, and Etan Thomas.
Analysis: Iguodala is the most valuable piece on the Sixers bare none. In this trade you can acquire a guy in Sefolosha that can provide exactly what Iguodala does defensively. A key part in this trade would be how productive Harden could be. I'm banking on the notion he can't quite find a niche playing behind Durant, therefore finding it more difficult to just let the game come to him. If he were a Sixer, there'd be plenty of shots for him. Thomas's contract expires after this season
2. A three way trade: Detroit gets Willie Green and Elton Brand; New Orleans gets Richard Hamilton, Jason Maxiell, and Jason Smith, and Philadelphia gets Peja Stojakovic, Morris Peterosn, and Hilton Armstrong.
Analysis: Detroit is about the only team I can find that makes a lot of sense to acquire Brand. With so much perimeter oriented players on that team, they need a severely need a low post scoring threat. While Brand has one of the most notorious contracts in the league, the bad combo of Hamilton and Maxiell's contract (17 Mil per season combined for the next 3 seasons) neutralizes Brand's contract. New Orleans acquiring the guys they get not only improves the team, but puts them under the luxury tax threshold, something they are currently looking to do. Clearly the Sixers take a loss, but they set themselves up for major cap space in 2011.
As for the off season, their moves should consist of 1: Acquiring the best post player prospect available in the draft. 2: Buying out Stojakovic's contract.
There team for 2010-11 would then look like this.
SF: Young/ Sefolsha
C: Dalembert/Draft pick
Then use the mid-level exception to fill out the remaining 3 roster spots (since they are still over the cap), players willing to sign for small one-year deals. This then sets the team up for another good draft pick, their young core (Williams, Holiday, Harden, Sefolosha, Speights, draft pick) for about 30 mil in cap space in 2011. They'd still have to re-sign Young, but that wouldn't come until the Sixers signed 2 high quality free agents.
Locking up Yao long term is the goal of acquiring these players though. The Rockets are said to be one of the few teams that are looking to take on salary currently. If they were just going to acquire expiring deals, what would be the point of trading McGrady in the first place? They are looking to receive a all star caliber player in return for McGrady and thats what they get in Iguodala. They will have to eat Brands salary as well but his game now compliments Yao's as he is no longer the banger that you think he is. His game is primarily nailing that jumper from the top of the key ala Chris Webber in the latter part of his career. By working the ball through Yao, it would allow Brand to move around the key and the middle of the floor and also free Iguodala to use his slashing abilities. This move would legitimize this team as a contender instead of being a fringe playoff team as they are presently constructed. If they just sit on McGradys contract they will enter the summer with about 14 million in cap space but Scola to resign. This would significantly hinder their ability to sign a top flight free agent. So instead of having Scola, Iguodala and Brand, they'd end up with Scola and a mid level free agent. They would then probably also lose Yao. How does that make sense at all?
As far as Brooks, he's a solid player but he is nothing spectacular. He isn't someone that you should base your team around. Yao Ming is. Its the mistake the sixers made by trying to build a team around Iguodala when its obvious he's not the type of player that could be the number 1 option.
The Bucks SF are Luc Richard Mbah A Moute, Joe Alexander and Carlos Delfino. Delfino can shift to the 2, as can Kapono as it really doesnt matter because hes not going to be able to guard 3s or 2's so he can play either swing position. Alexanders contract expires after this year. Plus who on this team can shoot besides Redd (who they are trying to trade). Ridnours contract is for 6 million, they're not going to get anything of great value for it. They can only look to get something of value to improve they're team and then look to move Redd.
The idea that the sixers are unlucky is kind of an asinine comment. I mean they have won the lottery before (Iverson), and have also picked 2nd and 3rd. And nothing that happened in the past is going to effect what happens to the ping pong balls this year. Now I did preface it by saying this is the ideal scenario, but even if it were a top 5 pick, its still a solid building block.
LeBron James is going to go to the team that gives him the best opportunity to build a legacy as well as pay him a max contract. It could be Cleveland, but the moves they have made so far haven’t shown me that they are capable to surround him with a supporting cast that could win. They don’t have any real promising young players. I would still say they have a 50% chance of resigning him but I believe if a team makes a strong offer to him and gives him the best opportunity to win a championship, he wouldn’t turn a blind ear to it.
As far as your trades, I like the trade with the Thunder for the sixers for the mere fact that it does free up cap space and we receive a young talented player, but why would the Thunder want to do this? The great part about Harden is that his game compliments that of Durant, Green and Westbrook. Iguodala doesn’t have a great outside shot and he’s basically a combination of Green and Sefolosha except he has a high priced contract. The Thunder have built a young core that is inexpensive and talented. They have also left themselves with the opportunity to sign a top flight free agent. They don’t need to make trades like this that would not benefit their team.
Detroit would not make that deal. Brand needs to be packaged with someone. No one will take on his salary by itself and he is not a banger. Hamilton still has value around the league so maybe they could move him for quality pieces.
Well anyway you look at it the sixers need to make some drastic moves and can’t sit around idly and watch as this once proud franchise slips into obscurity.
Have you not read anything on Yao Ming? There's great fear that Yao might never play again. He's said it himself that he might not return by the start of next season. I guarantee you if the Rockets do re-sign Yao in 2011 it will be for maybe a one year, 8 figure contract. If even that. There's just too much risk given the history of big's his size coming back from injury, as well as Yao's own personal history of injuries
Aaron Brooks is proving to be a very solid PG in this league. When I said sign him up longer term, I did not mean franchise dollars. Somewhere around 7-8 mil a season should suffice. If you added that to Iguodala & Brand's contracts even before Yao, that is quite a lot of money.
When I say Ridnour's contract is valuable, I'm referring solely to the fact it's expiring. These kind contracts give leeway to the franchise. They could simply let it expire, or trade for a much better player that another team can not afford. Kapono will definitely not be worth it. Heck, they have a player very similar in Jodie Meeks. This guy gets only 13mpg for the season, even with the fact Michael Redd was out, and Joe Alexander doesn't play at all. Meeks at least is very cheap and hasn't been given the kind of minutes to flourish. They don't need an expensive one trick pony like Kapono.
As for the next two comments, "drafting John Wall...signing LeBron James" is about as obvious fledgling of forum posts one can sound (it doesn't help that you only have 6 total posts). While yes, the Sixers COULD get him, there's no reason to even post that as a way to fix team. He would fix any team, period. The same goes for LBJ. The only way he even sniffs the Sixers is if they were to get John Wall. When you have teams like the Knicks or the Nets that have the potential to sign two established superstars, that's more attractive than signing with the Sixers. That's not even including the previously mentioned Miami Heat, who only have Michael Beasley and Daequan Cook locked up for next season. They will more than very likely re-sign Dwayne Wade, while still holding the bird rights to the likes of Jermaine O'Neil, Q. Richardson, and Udonnis Haslem. Mario Chalmers will likely remain on the team for a very cheap price. That's about as attractive of a team one can get for James beyond retaining his legacy in Cleveland.
With my trades, I can't believe you even dared to discredit them after you're obnoxious suggestions. With Iguodala going to OKC, he could do more than just be a combo of Sefolsha and Green. First of all, Green is not the consummate point-forward he was is college. He is more that classic combo forward in this league, and excelling at that. Iguodala can fill that point-forward role as well as anyone in the league. With Durant, OKC is trying to make him more like another LeBron James. Unfortunately, he is not the passer, play-maker, or defender of James. Adding Iguodala will offset these issues easily. As far as Westbrook goes, Iguodala would let him play off the ball. Westbrook's development as a PG is certainly a work in progress. While his assists might be there, his shooting numbers are affected, even worse than last year. Iguodala playing some point would allow for Westbrook to be a true combo guard, which is more his niche. Honestly, I don't know how realistic it would be for OKC to sign a high caliber free agent more talented than Andre Iguodala.
Elton Brand is not a banger? What do you consider his game then? And he is being paired with Willie Green, who is a Detroit native. With the reasons I stated previously about Rip Hamilton, he is not as valuable as you think anymore. While he can get the job done, the fact that they have guys likes Gordon and Villanueva locked up longer term, along with their recent draft picks indicates Hamilton's services are no longer needed. His salary, along with Maxiell's is awful (as previously stated) so Brand's contract may be as good as it could get to get rid of both.
I say really do your research and improve your analysis on other team's circumstances before making these kind of posts. Believe me, I have been making myself a bit notorious for always trying to posts my take on drastic Sixers moves on this site. Luckily for you, you didn't post this under "NBA Draft" but rather Team Posts: Philly 76ers. You only see the -4 on your forum? It probably could have been -10 or worse under the more public general posts.
^^Check out these forum post of mine, and tell me my opinions on potential trades aren't respected.
u guys write semi-essays each post
The talks of Yao's injury being career ending were very early on and have proven to be false. He has progressed well and is said to be on schedule to come back at the beginning of next season. Even with his injury history, he is a once in a generation center who can help anchor a team to a championship. If Houston doesn't make the moves to accomodate him or aren't willing to resign him to a long term contract, some other team will, mistake or not. I agree that Aaron Brooks is a very solid young point and it would be wise to lock him up to a reasonable contract. The thing is they need to decide what direction they are going to go in by the trade deadline. They could let TMac and Yao's contracts to expire and attempt to sign some other superstar free agents or they could use TMac's expiring contract to pick up solid parts to compliment Yao. There have been many rumors circulating about them attempting to acquire Iggy and the only way the sixers are going to part with him is if they take on one of their large contracts ie Brand or Dalembert.
For the Ridnour for Kapono trade the rational behind it is that Kapono is one of if not the best pure shooters in the league. Jodie Meeks is a pretty good shooter but he is not in the caliber of Kapono. Meeks is also a 6'3 guard were as Kapono is a 6' 7 forward. Milwaukee will not have cap space after this year but they will after next so they are better suited to have a player wrapped up for next year as well (such as Kapono) rather than let Ridnours contract expire and have to sign other players to fill out their roster. They have defense stoppers at the SF position such as Mbah a Moute but he is a type of player that plays 20 mins a game and Kapono could eat up some of those other minutes.
My ideal scenario was just that a potential scenario. But the main point of it was that with these trades the sixers would get a high draft pick since they would still be in the bottom 5 of the league and the potential to sign a big time free agent would be there as well. My fault for putting names to this scenario, I am not an experienced poster and didn't realize that was against the etiquette.
As far as your trade, the Thunder are not looking to make a move because they have a good mix right now that compliment each other well. Harden's game is suited to play with the team as presently constructed. With him and Durants shooting ability at the wings and Westbrooks ability to penetrate they really have the ability to space the floor real well. The one thing they lack is a center which they can get through free agency since they will have plenty of cash to throw around. They also traded for a more conventional point guard in Maynor so they really have no need to make a trade for a player that is similar to what they have. Iguodala is not a point forward either. Although he is a fantastic passer, his handles are weak. He is better suited as a slasher rather than having the ball in his hand.
Elton Brand is not a banger anymore. He plays more at the top of the key now a days rather than down on the post. Thats why his rebounding numbers have dropped consideribly as well as his field goal percentage. Apparently it was this way in his second to last season with the clippers as well, i didnt want to believe it when the sixers signed him but after watching him play on a consistant basis its obvious that he isnt that type of player anymore. When I said that the sixers should combine him with another player I meant a player that actually has value such as Iguodala not Willie Green who nobody wants. The trade is feasible since Detroit is trying to move Hamiltons salary as well, but I think the sixers would be better suited to try and get expiring contracts by combining Brand and Iguodala in a package deal.
I liked some of the other posts that you have linked on here and I'm glad that you have so many points on here but honestly I dont give a damn about getting points or whatever. I dont agree with this trade that you proposed because it doesn't make sense to me for the all teams involved. The sixers-detroit one made more sense but the first one I don't believe is logical at all for the thunder. I'm just trying to get my opinion across and give proper justification for it. I like the back and forth though because differing opinions is what makes this fun. But hey Iggy's name keeps popping up in the McGrady talks for a reason, so remember where you heard this thing first haha. I've been hearing Brand for Hamilton rumors too so props.
I actually found your post as pretty solid (hence the thumbs up) haha
I have not seen any updated report that says Yao is progressing well, contradicting the career-threatening reports on his injury. Could you maybe post a link?
With that Iguodala/McGrady swap, I don't see that as a serious consideration for them. Yes the rumor is there, but I bet if McGrady is moved, they only trade for expiring contracts, or players that have expiring contracts in 2011. Yao is still missing this entire season, and given that he will be shaking the rust off on a contract year, you have to wonder how well could he play next season, along with how much money the organization would commit to him, yet alone other big contracts.
As for Kapono, eh if the Sixers could do it that would be great. I just think if Milwaukee were to do such a thing, everyone around the league would be scratching their heads, even despite your rational.
I'll give it to you on my Iguodala trade proposal. I did consider those type of aspects even before you ever made the starting forum post. I just thought maybe the Thunder would take a gamble on an Iguodala acquisition given their current playoff status, and potential desire to land a big name when they might feel pressure to land one with their cap space.
And hey, if we could get expiring contracts in any trades involving Brand, I'll take it! Even if it involves Iguodala. I hope it's possible. Though, when I saw Brand & Iguodala both being in a single trade, my immediate thoughts were "Yup, another poster who is out of his mind." But, you've seemed to won me over with your enthusiasm.
I'm not big on points either. I just happened to have a good points to forum ratio. I do like to talk about controversial topics in basketball, and it's been hit or miss with the others on this site. It certainly is all in good fun.
Here's a link to a Yao story from ESPN in which Morey discussed Yao's progression from his injury and potential return as early as late this season! That seems a little far fetched but start of next season doesn't seem too unreasonable.
I wouldn't do the Iggy-Dal for T-Mac if i were 76ers but Houston i would do it in a heartbeat.
I agree with you, I wouldn't do iggy and dalembert but I would do Iggy and Brand for TMac and other expiring contracts. With both of them off the books we can sign a top free agent or two this year or next. If we dont make the trade we're stuck in salary cap hell for the next 4 years and will just be a mediocre team. Then they'll also probably have other mediocre players that they will inevitably have to pay and probably overpay resulting in them being stuck in mediocrity for an extended period. We need to get really bad to get back to good. Stefanski just needs to be creative which he showed the ability to do when he cleared cap space to sign Brand in the first place.