Bulls Want McGrady? Trading Salmons?
Posted: 12/30/2009 11:18:00 AM
Source: Mike McGraw of the Aurora Daily Herald
One of the regrettable chapters in recent Bulls history was the failed free-agent pursuit of 2000.
The No. 1 target was Toronto's Tracy McGrady, who was met at O'Hare Airport by mascots, Luv-a-Bulls and a three-piece band playing "Sweet Home Chicago."
It was all for naught as McGrady chose Orlando. Nearly 10 years later, the Bulls may get another chance.
McGrady recently left the Houston Rockets and both sides reportedly will seek a trade. Sources suggested the Bulls are open to acquiring McGrady, who is just 30 years old.
The 6-foot-8 swingman is the NBA's highest-paid player at $23.2 million, but his contract ends after the season. A trade with the Bulls would almost have to include the expiring contracts of Brad Miller and Jerome James.
The Bulls might also be interested in moving John Salmons to guarantee a larger amount of cap space next summer. He's owed $6.5 million next season but has an option to terminate the deal and become a free agent.
I would do this:
Houston: Deng, Dalembart
Sixers: Miller, 2011 first round pick (Bulls)
if mcgrady is going to move i want him on the knicks but i guess the bulls would be good to.
As a sixers fan I will take that trade 8 days of the week.
Here the Deals for the 4 teams I think would add him ( Knicks, T-Wolves, Bulls, Cavs)
Knicks Deal ( Involves Hornets, Knicks and Rockets)
Knicks Receives: Tracy McGrady, Darren Collinson, Brian Cook 2nd round pick, 2 Trade Exceptions worth 3.1 mil
Houston Recieves: Wilson Chandler, David West, David Lee, Darko Milicic
New Orleans Recives: Nate Robinson, Al Harrington, 1st round pick ( Houston)
NY would do it to get cap space and Darren Collinson who can be a good PG.
Houston get 4 quality players who can help a playoff run
NO would get 14 mil cap space free and a 1st round pick
Houston gets: Brian Cardinal, Mark Blount, Ryan Gomes, 1st round pick (Utah's)
Minnesota gets: Tracy McGrady, Brian Cook
Bulls gets: Tracy McGrady, 1st round pick, Chase Budinger
Rockets gets: Luol Deng, Jerome James, John Salmons, Taj Gibson
Cavs gets: Tracy McGrady, Brian Cook
Houston gets: Big Z, Delonte West, 1st round pick
Frazier10 - I dont like the deal for the Knicks. they have a legit shot of making the playoffs and they would completely throw that away in this trade. We dont even have a draft pick to benefit with a bad season. No way D'Antoni would sign off on a trade that would kill the team that he finally has winning.
I edit the deal
I dunno...here's what would be the lineup for the Knicks if that deal went down
Duhon- McGrady- Gallo- Jefferies- Hill (Starters)
Collinson- Douglas- Hughes- Cook- Curry ( Bench)
I think that's a 8 seed. McGrady would step up huge for the Knicks if he came. I have no doubts about that. He wants another contract and I would not be surprised if he dropped a 20-5-5 2nd half.
plus we get 2 2nd round picks from Houston and New Orleans. Very Valueable
I hope the sixers somehow do some wheeling and dealing for t-mac.. they need expiring contracts and so do we. They also want a young piece, so i hope they send dalembert aka (the biggest overpayed bum in the League), willie green, another bum, and we may have to part with thaddeus young. I like thad and wish they didnt sign iguodala to that deal but they play the same position so thad would have to go.
McGrady's health is completely unreliable. We would be trading our 3 best players(Lee, Harrington, Chandler) for a washed up frequently injured TMAC, cap space, and some scrubs.
I dont think we can make the playoffs with Hill as our starting center. The only scorers that would be left on the team are Gallinari and McGrady. We would have 3 PG's and none of them are legit starting lead guards in the league. Hill is way too raw and Jeffries couldnt score for his life.
Yea, he's always hurt I understand that BUT! This is a contract year. I can almost gurantee you he will come out and score for who ever gets him.
Plus...Hughes cannot score? He can give you 12-15 a night
Collinson a bum? After what I saw when CP3 was hurt, he can run a O and very well.
Also, NY keeps a very valueable chip ( Mobley's 9 mil deal) and with teams looking to go under the cap, you don't think that can bring in another piece?
Mobley's 9 mil contract and Cook's 3 mil deal for Nick Young or Andre Blatche and Brendan Haywood?
I feel bad for McGrady but at some point, every superstar has to decline.
Dhamp2....the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway
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Hughes is a decent scorer. I didnt even bother mentioning him.
Just because this is a contract year for McGrady doesnt mean he will stay healthy. Especially if he has to carry the Knicks on his back.
Collison is a decent young PG but hes not a step up from Duhon and Douglas.
Washington would never give up Young for nothing. Neither would anybody else. If we could have gotten good young players or anything of value for Mobley's contract we already would have.
isnt better than
We would have no bench scoring or post scoring
I actually like the original proposed deal stated in the article that would include John Salmons & Brad Miller. Both guys played under Coach Adelman, and provide a need for the team in the short-term. Miller is still a solid center that has legit 7-foot size. He also provides veteran leadership to this young team. Salmons is a solid backup swingman, who is more of a shooting guard than Ariza, therefore could be used a lot at that position while Budinger is out. Those players also make sense fiscally, as opposed to players like Hinrich or Deng from the Bulls. And while Tyrus Thomas is a fairly good player, the Rockets have plenty of PF's. Would you trade Scola, Hayes, or Landry for Thomas? It wouldn't necessarily make sense on the Bulls end either.
Here's the complete trade I'd suggest:
Bulls receive: Tracy McGrady, Brian Cook (expiring contract), and David Andersen (solid backup C going forward with a small salary)
Rockets receive: John Salmons, Brad Miller, Jerome James (expiring contract, as stated originally)
Houston sending those extra contracts along with McGrady's removes an extra $3Mil from this year's payroll. It would also compensate the Andersen for Salmons contract swap next season should Salmons chose to decline his Early Termination Option.
rofl. None of htose deals look good for the Rockets....Whoever posted four possible trades. D. West? Yeah, but we're stacked at that Position. Those weren't all that good for my Rockets
Why would anyone have a trade in which the Bulls would give up a first rounder for McGrady? They would not have to. If it is a straight up trade between the Bulls and Rockets. It's likely that you see some sort of move involving Brad Miller who would fit with what the Rockets do, but not completely tie up their money. Other combinations of players involved could include Salmons, Deng, Hinrich, Jerome James and/or Tyrus. Obviously not all of those guys. I think the only untouchables for that team are going to be Rose and Noah and to some degree a guy like James Johnson because of his potential. The Rockets are going to get enough to make a playoff push, while the Bulls end up increasing their chances for a lottery pick, eventually fire Del Negro (even if it's in the off season), and move just enough salary to have the chance to bring in two max players. In the end this makes the idea of the Lebron/Wade Rumors seem that much more believable and possible. It's going to be more of a matter of what pieces they decide to keep.
Edit...I'm thinking they want Miller and Salmons. They don't care about capspace next year because they can't do much with it despite shedding McGrady's deal his 20 something million isn't the same as far as the cap is concerned. Salmons contract though would end at the same time as Yao's, which I think is when they are going to see what they can add with this team at that time while still being competitive.
it doesnt matter if its a contract year if mcgrady's body is physically able to do what he used to. ya'll do realize what surgery he had?..microfracture. and hes in his 30's thats hard to come back at a young age but hes not that young. on top of that if there was any hope at all to get lebron( i dont think hes coming) or other free agents then why would they come to a team liek that where they know even a playoff bearth is out of the question?
If you put Lebron on pretty much any team in the league I can almost guarantee a playoff birth. That guy is just that good. Now I'm not saying it's going to happen, but you get Lebron and any other actual superstar player like a Wade and that eases a lot of your worries. Look who those guys are playing with now...they are completely carrying a bunch of scrubs and washed up guys. The Bulls as they are without much of a coach, no depth, injuries and no shooters are not that far under .500 or even a playoff birth.
and lebron has made it clear he doesnt just want a playoff berth he wants to contend for the title. and why do people try to put down the other cleveland players so much?..d.west is not a bum. mo williams has allstar talent. shaq isnt the shaq of old but he still produces and stops peopel from just going down the lane anytime they want. big z is also not a bum. i mean you have 8 players giving more then 7ppg and mo putting in 17. moon isnt great but he's shown on other temas he can play. anthony parker was putting in 13ppg on his old team. people need to stop selling the other players on the cavs so short. as far as miami. oneal and beasley arent scrubs and neither is Q. sac town, the rockets should prove that players are better then fans give them credit for and they shw it when there stars get hurt. i mean look at big baby when kg got hurt
The reality is that Lebron is playing with an inferior group of players compared to a lot of other guys. Same with Wade. As a whole there is not much talent on either team. I like West and Z, but they are not scaring anyone. Mo Williams complained his way until he got voted in last year. Beasly is talented but he still plays no d and doesn't always bring it every night. Miami probably doesn't look much better than Minnesota without Wade. Cleveland might be fighting for the 8th seed without Lebron.
not sure how much you watch miami but beasley plays defense. hes not the best at it but he does play it and truth be told if you look onto nba.com and check out each team miami played and the guys he guarded his defense is better then a couple of guys who some of ya'll say are good defenders or average defenders. with beasley most people just go off of what they hear a announcer said and the same goes by alot of those announcers or if a player scores awhole lot then people tend to overlook how bad they are at defense. beasley gives up 13ppg against starting power fowards. i wouldnt call that bad defense at all
This trade is no problem at all as a Bulls fan... The Rockets could use Miller's size and well, Salmons could play off the bench... Still, the question is for the Bulls, are they willing to take such big risk on someone like T-Mac who has undergone major surgeries in the last part of his career? They are definitely crossing their fingers on that because if not this trade will blow up right in their faces...
The Bulls would get T-Mac's expiring contract, which would definitely put them in the position to land a max deal free-agent this summer, BUT by trading Miller and Salmons... They'd be losing two key contributors. As fun as it is to think what T-Mac would do IF he's healthy, the reality is he's unreliable. The Bulls would be throwing in the towel and admitting that they're preparing for next season by trading those two.
I am a competitive person and I would hate the Bulls if they as much tank their season... I don't like tanking and I don't appreciate teams tanking their season much more for the Bulls... Joakim Noah, Derrick Rose and Kirk Hinrich are winners. They have proven that in the college level and it would be a shame if they tank this season just to get what's in store for them in the lottery... They were lucky enough to get the 1st pick in 2008 and I don't think lady luck would fall on them twice... Signing T-Mac would mean tanking their season... AT least that's my opinion...