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Cornell University seniors

Now that some people got a look at Cornell thanks to a recent OT buzzer-beater by Ryan Wittman to beat Davidson at MSG making SportsCenter's Top 10, what do you guys think of the chances of Cornell's seniors to get drafted in the 2nd round?

Ryan WIttman - SF with decent size and a pure shooter

Jeff Foote - a 7'0 C who is averaging about 14ppg and 9rpg in non-conference games this year against mid-major and major conference competition (Syracuse, Seton Hall, St. John's, Alabama)

Louis Dale - smallish PG who was Ivy Player of the Year as a soph

Cornell is favored to make the tourney as the Ivy representative for the 3rd year in a row, and now many experts are thinking Cornell will get a 1st round victory. A good showing could help these guys' chances.


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A good showing

Will always increase one's chances in getting drafted/shot to play in the NBA. I really like Wittman of the three because he has a great shot and can score at will. Teams could always use a scorer off the bench. Foote idk yeah he's tall, but scouts will question the competition he plays against. Dale I like Dale, but I see him getting some tryouts and if he wants to play professionally Europe is the likely destination. You have to remember a lot of good college teams doesn't mean they will make good pro players. The players click well with what they have, and win games as a team.

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I talked about Jeff Foote about a week ago

Good showing against St.Johns and Cornell has a chance to win the Ivy League again. They alwasy play good in the tournament and have a chance to beat a higher seed. I think Foote has a chance to go in the 2nd round but he can also become a undrafted FA signing after summer league. I think Wittman and Dale have a shot but the draft is stacked and I think Foote has the best chance.

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good points

Thanks for the comments! Myself, I think Dale has the least chance of playing in the NBA. I think at best he gets tryouts during summer league, and has to work his way into a job, but Europe is most likely.

I really do believe Wittman and Foote make it into some regular-season NBA action. Wittman, because he is such a good shooter and the NBA could always use clutch shooters (I think of the Bulls' Paxson and Kerr, and also Stephen Curry's dad, Del).

Foote needs to play more to his size. I was at the game against SJU at the Garden, and I was sitting with some St. John's alum friends of mine. We all agreed that if he was more aggressive, he could have easily improved on his line that night (I think 19 and 11?) and dropped closer to 30 on SJU. Games like the one coming up next week against Kansas will be telling. If he plays soft, people will forget about him and he will be an undrafted FA. If he plays well, I think he enters the picture as a 2nd round possibility.

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2nd round draft picks really anyone can be drafted it is not a guaranteed contract, so GM's can draft they like most with that pick. Not saying I would rather not be drafted than drafted, but getting drafted in the 2nd round means either they like you a lot or just using the pick and they'll see how you do.

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I guess I'm looking at that part more from a recruitment standpoint. If Cornell can gain some credibility by having some of its players drafted, it might help attract more players and make sure this isn't just a 3-year interlude before Penn/Princeton again dominate the Ivy.

But from a player standpoint - yeah, sometimes it is better to be UFA and have an agent scout out the best possible situation for a player. Either way, I do hope these guys do well for themselves professionally, no matter what league they end up playing in.

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I think harvard will take

I think harvard will take the ivy title this year. they have only 3 losses and have beat BC for the 2nd straight year while almost beating UCONN and georgetown.

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Cornell 86 Harvard 50

It's early, but it looks like Harvard might not really be ready to challenge for Ivy bid after a close win over a very bad Dartmouth team last week and getting taken apart by Cornell tonight.

Foote played really well and I'm sure pro teams are taking notice.

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Unless a collapse happens, I

Unless a collapse happens, I don't see Harvard beating Cornell @Harvard, or winning the conference. Too Bad a great player in Jeremy Lin will never get to play in the tournament.

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Lin

Someone had told me that Lin was the #1 ranked HS player in California as a senior, but was completely overlooked by colleges. Is that true? If so, he got a really raw deal. I hope he can can get a look in the NBA.

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His team has never went to

His team has never went to the tournament, he plays in the Ivy league, and though he plays well against top competition. He is just good at everything, but not great at anything. His body is a bit too slender. I hope he gets drafted or makes a team after training camp because I would love to see him play on the big stage.

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i like

i like cornell's chances of being a great team

along with studs wittman, foote, and dale they are also getting good contribution out of chris wroblewski and alex tyler...i like their chances of beating harvard, harvard has 1 legitimate player in jeremy lin but cornell is a more balanced squad

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Cornell vs #1 Kansas right now!

Game is on espn360.com - free video. So far, Jeff Foote has backed up Cole Aldrich 2x for baskets and gone strong to hoop for 2 shots as well. Wittman hit a 3 pointer. I hope they keep this up...

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I'm watching the KU v

I'm watching the KU v Cornell game too, they are a scrappy bunch with a lot experience, toughness, and outside shooting. If they get in the NCAA tournament I wouldn't want to face them in they 1st round. They look like a team capable of an upset.

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im watching too and so far

im watching too and so far they are taking it to kansas

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As far as Wittman and Foote

As far as Wittman goes as NBA prospects go I will say Sherron Collins is torching them, they can't handle his speed or strength, but Cornell is outplaying KU

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awesome game!

I never in a million years thought Cornell could stick with them through an entire game, much less to hold a lead for almost the entire 2nd half.

Wittman: I think he seriously upped his stock with his big shooting against a great team (24 pts)

Foote: 12/6/3ast/1blk? Not bad against Cole Aldrich. And for those not watching, he was a beast to begin game with 8 of first 13 Cornell points, backing up Aldrich 2x and getting fouled on way up on a third occasion. Sat last 9 min of 1st half after a pretty bad call to give him his 2nd foul (he had a clean block on an Aldrich fadeaway)

Dale: he missed last two games with a hamstring injury, so I can't feel too badly about 10 pts and 5 ast in 19 min off the bench.

Finally, can announcers stop confusing "Cornell" with "Columbia"?! Give the Big Red some respect!

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Wittman definitely upped his

Wittman definitely upped his stock. My only problem with regards to Wittman is he takes way too many 3's. I know it's his specialty, but not every shot he should take should be a 3. He is definitely worth taking with a 2nd round pick. Great spark off the bench that can score when you need scoring.

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After watching that game , I

After watching that game , I think Wittman proved himself as a big game preformer, but I still don't think he will play in the NBA. He can score in bunches and is a clutch player who is experienced. He and Cornell played a hell of a game, but he got destroyed defensively by Sherron Collins anytime they were matched up. Collins is a projected late 1st early 2nd round prospect and he shattered Wittman's ankles on quite a few occasions while running the break, and lets face it he is a shooting guard in the NBA, not a small forward. I just think he gives up too much speed and too much strength to play defense in the NBA. He is a hell of a player who is gutsy and coachable, but to me he is another Ben Woodside, another small conference guy who can light it up and can really play, but would be better suited for ball overseas.

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Ben Woodside

He was like 5-11, Wittman is 6-6. Wittman can contribute off the bench of an NBA team when in need of scoring and not be the liability that Woodside if he was in the NBA would be on defense.

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Knicksfan, I realize the

Knicksfan, I realize the difference in height, but I watched the game and Wittman continuously got schooled on defense, crossed over and blown by in fast break opportunities. He can shoot, but isn't great at creating shots for himself. I like him as a player, I just don't think he has the speed or strength to play in the NBA. The fact that he is 6'6'' helps, but I think he would have a hard time defending NBA shooting guards, because of that liability I think he may be a free agent pick up or play in Europe. I just don't think an NBA team will take him with a draft pick.

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If he doesn't get drafted I

If he doesn't get drafted I can almost guarantee that he will be signed to a summer league team. Though, I respect what you're saying. I just disagree.

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agreed, I totally respect what you are saying, and I really like him as a player, I just don't think he'll get drafted, although I think he has a career in basketball if he so chooses.

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Joe, Jason Kapono is on an

Joe, Jason Kapono is on an NBA Roster still. He shoots the 3 well, though I know he does not play much. Can you see Wittman being in that mold???

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Kapono is 6'8'' and Novak is

Kapono is 6'8'' and Novak is 6'9'', I think you need those extra few inches to pull that off in the NBA. Even Kyle Korver who came from a mid major and succeeded is around 6'8''. I think you need the ability to match up against forwards so you can stretch the defense and get the chance to match up against a slower or more post oriented player on D to make it in the NBA. Wittman may sign on and make a roster in summerleague, but my main arguement is that he won't be a draft pick. If Coby Karl can make a roster Wittman can too, but I think it would be the hard way where he may opt for Europe before trying to play in the NBA.

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I was really impressed with

I was really impressed with these guys tonight...I think they have the ability to make a Sweet 16 type run...

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Cornell in Sweet 16...

looks like you were dead-on. Cornell's team did the school and its students/alums proud!

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Andre Wilkins is a very good

Andre Wilkins is a very good player for cornell

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Percy23, quick question. Do

Percy23, quick question. Do you attend/attended Cornell? I respect you representing Cornell on this site because I love my mid-major ball. Big Hofstra fan (I am a student there).

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Cornell!

Hey, I've been mia on this site for over a month, but knicksfan, I graduated from Cornell a few years back. I figured this is the best team my school has ever had, and there are no guarantees we get back to this point once they all graduate, so this season was definitely the time to represent them and get regular fans talking about and watching the Big Red. I haven't followed much Hoftsra ball, but I can tell you I used to work with a guy that played ball on the team that made the tourney awhile back. I did hear that you guys lost your head coach to Fordham? from his interview he sounded like a really good guy. I hope you can replace him with another strong coach.

As for Cornell:

Wittman and Foote will be playing in the All-Star Game on friday, 4/2 at 4:30PM (CBS College Sports Network televising the game). Wittman will also be in the 3pt-shootout. Great exposure for these two as they will play in front of NBA scouts. Also want to get a look at Foote match up against St. Mary's Omar Samhan.

Overall, I think all three seniors did well, and possibly Dale did the most to raise his profile. I still don't see him getting drafted, but I think he'll get some camp invites based on his play.

Thank you Big Red seniors for taking the team further than I ever thought I'd see them go, and good luck at the next level!

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