If Kings are smart they will trade Kevin Martin unlike Houston
T Mac can play but they will not give him minutes nor play him. I think T Mac is saying all the right stuff so that he can get a sign and trade. Utah is dumb for paying both Milsap and Boozer and trying to keep both. They are struggling because they need help at other positions. Elton Brand pick up was so stupid and then 6er let Miller go who was key to their success and would have a least help Brand get so better touches inside. If Baron Davis actually played well, the Clippers' move with a lil help from GSW and Philly would be close to genious but they still have that Dunleavy who should never get another coaching job again. Newer guys should get a try before him.
What does TMac bring to a team??? He will be a shell of his former self, he doesnt play D, he is a chucker and he will no longer have the ability to drive by his man and finish like he used to.. Any them that trades for him is stupid...
ok for one utah isnt dumb..they arent trying to keep boozer and im not sure why you think that..they have been trying to get rid of him since the beginning of the season and hes playing like a allstar now while helping them win so why would they try to trade him for nothing?..that would be dumb. and they play millsap because hes there power forward for next year so doesnt it make sense to play him? if they get a good enough trade that is at least close to bring back the same amount of talent then they will make the trade. sounds like they are doing the smart thing to me. as far as tmac he looked alright at best so no one knows if he can really play or not and it wouldnt be that bright to trade for him if youre expecting him to contribute much. but if you like that expiring contract and youre team isnt in the playoff hunt anyway then it wouldnt be bad to trade for him. and why exactly is it smart to trade martin when he is such a good player and they havnt had enough time to see how playing him with evans works? i could see if they played a good 40 games and they didnt work and martin played horrible while evans played great but doesnt it make sense to se how they do together since they have been winning pretty well without him?. would it make sense for the clippers to trade blake if they were winning a lot without him or wait till he comes back and see what he adds to there team? as far as brand right now yeah it was a dumb move by the sixers but no one including me or you said that when he first went there but now that we seen that it doesnt work then its pretty easy to say it was a bad move. the miller move i cant really say since they were just stuck in neutral with him. i mean they were good but not good enough to be a threat and the point is to get better even if you have to get worst first
id say houston trades tracy mcgrady way before sacramento trades martin.... mcgrady is going to have HUGE value especially in february and i basically guarentee he is moved before the deadline.. kevin martin can actually still play and wont be traded... him and tyreke evans will be sweet once they decide to work together.
good point on brand tho... biggest waste of money ever spent anywhere.... i wish philly signed josh smith when they had the chance....
philly never had a chance to sign J-Smooth cuz he was a RFA and Atl said they were gonna match all offers.
the kings only looked to trade kevin martin because they didn't have a lot of money but know the maloof brothers have more money so a trade involving Kevin Martin isn't likely any time sone
Any team paying the same position big money is stupid period. I don't see how you intepret this difference. I respect Tim Grover's skills to say that T Mac is at least better than most 2 guards and a lot of team has a grip of expiring contracts plus available young talent to see where he stands. Sactown knows how Kevin smart plays and it is scoring not much defense and he is hurt a lot. They could trade him now when most people would view it a steal to get him. Sac has a lot of young talent that is developing nicely. Look what OKC did when they let Lewis and Allen go so they could rebuild and stock up young talent. Sacramento is ahead of the pack and can make this move and maybe move spencer Hawes for a strong defensive interior presence and you have the new Portland trailblazers minus stupid injuries and Sactown is a better destination than Portland for players it would seem although i have been to Portland and felt it was a nice city.
In a perfect world, the Kings would love to get a great defensive prescence in the post. But this isn't a perfect world and the great defensive big guys aren't exactly a dime a dozen and don't come cheap. Hawes-Thompson-Casspi-Martin-Evans sounds like a sick line-up to me in a season or 2. They don't need to win now, when they're ready to compete for a championship they'll sign a couple veteran big men to come off the bench and play defense but for now they're fine.
the top teams usually have defense somewhere in there lineup,
i dont see the kings competing for a championship anytime soon, unless they draft a center
I dont think you should trade K-Mart, rebuild through draft and hope for Pittman to fall into their laps and
drop a couple lbs
if the kings want a defensive young center, this trade may work...
SAC trades martin and hawes
CHI trades noah, hinrich, and draft pick (2010)
SAC gets a defensive center and a great backup for the 1 and 2 spots.. they would start udrih, evans, casspri, thompson, noah and hinrich would be the 6th man.. very talented and young starting line up and draft picks would set them up to be good for next couple years..
CHI gets a scoring center, who could run out with rose and tyrus.. they get a scoring guard to replace ben gordon and salmons can come off the bench as the 6th man for either wing spot.
We don't need an immediate defensive presence. We have time to get one, regardless we are not in the championship hunt for a few seasons. Let our guys develop and we'll get a defensive stopper somewhere along the way. Like someone said, we could try and draft Pittman or sign a FA(Kings have $$ available, dont forget). No need to trade anyone, keep the team and pick up another couple peices along the way and in a few seasons they'll be good.
dmo that is not a bad trade. the way Salmons is playing for Chi, Bulls could definitely use Martin and Hawes. I hear you but in West you have to focus every year on building a team. Kings seems to me a better and scrappier team without Martin. Martin is good enough to get a solid player back. Find a cheaper version of Martin should not be hard and in the process Sac can pick up a extra draft pick in a draft that should be full of big men. They already have Thompson. they could grab a big man early on and with big men pushing shooting guards and swingman down some they could pick up a solid swingman or move their pick to GSW and try to get Morrow.
tim grover says all the stars he works with are better then this or that. you have to realize not everyone grover has worked with has panned out to be great and some not even that good. houston has watched him practice and play against his teamsmates. grover watched him mostly workig out alone. im pretty sure houston has a better understanding of how good he is then grover is. im sure he can still contribute but what he bring houston obviously understand that it doesnt help there team progress. and moving martin makes no sense. there are plaenty of teams out there who have players who aren't real good defenders and martin actually is a better defender then you give him credit for plus team defense helps when theres a weak player on defense so his defense wont be a big problem. if he comes back and they dont gel with him then you think about trading him. just like when you and a couple of other people said mayo and gay dont play well together. we all see how thats starting to turn out with time