OKC Thunder: Team of the Future
I love the move the OKC Thunder did for Eric Maynor...At first, I thought the Blazers were the team of the future, but the Thunder has a way brighter future...I think Sam Presti should make 1 more move that'll add another young talented piece to the the Thunder...That would be, for the Thunder to trade BJ Mullens, and the draft rights to DeVon Hardin, to the Wizards for Javale McGee and Mike James..Yes, McGee is a promising young player and so is Mullens, but McGee has the better upside and I believe the Wizards will let him go, if a suitor is willing to take away Mike James along with him, in a deal, similar to what Utah did wtih Maynor and Harping...McGee could be that last young piece the Thunder needs...He's a long agile center, that runs up the court well, and has had some big games last season,..Like the rest of the Thunder's young core, he's oozing with potential...He would be a great pick-up to their team.
I think the Thunder are okay, I believe what they have to do is get a stronger shooting guard. I do not believe Thabo Sefalosha is the key. I would not be surprised if the Thunder make a strong pitch at some of the top shooting guards on the market over the summer. Also, the upcoming draft is PF/C heavy, so they can def find some1 w/o trading away Mullens. Still with Maynor off the bench, makes the team better. I truly believe they can sneak into the playoffs.
Sefolosha and Harden gives the Thunder a good shooting guard combo, similar to what Affalo and Jr. Smith gives to the Nuggets, a defensive ace that starts and a crafty scoring sixth man...Every team that aspires to win a championship has a defensice stelwart in their starting lineup...Sefolosha is perfect in the starting lineup because he doesn't takes shots away from Durant...The Laker's had Rick Fox, the Spurs had Bowen, the Celtics have Perkins, and etc all of those are players that primarily places hard on defense and allows the star players to still get their shots, that's what Sefolosha does for the Thunder
more as a come off the bench contributor rather than a starter. I see the Thunder, in a perfect world, looking like this
SG: Free Agent of quality
C: Maybe a draft pick, maybe mullens, this Ibaka guy looks pretty good from what I've seen.
Maynor, Harden, Thabo, either Mullens or Ibaka off the bench that's a deep 9.
Stronger shooting guard? They just drafted James Harden who is a solid 2. Their frontcourt is definitely their weakness
Personally I see Harden more as 3 b/c of his size 6-5 220. Though that could be a seen as a swingman also. So your point is fair.
The thunder are in a great spot to grow and be one of the future teams in this league to contend. But I always wait until I see it actually happen on the court. COuntless teams in the past have had young lineups that were destined to become dominant franchises only to break up before it ever happened. Remember Penny and Shaq, Zo and Grandmama, the 3 J's in dallas, Vince and TMac. UNtil you start winning playoff games, you are just another team trying to get there with the elite.
Harden will be starting by next year. He is gonna be very good and defense or not the thunder won't be able to keep on the bench for long.
6'5" 220 is SF size? No way! Thats decent size for a 2 but definitely not for a 3. Durant is their 3.
Westbrook, Harden, Durant is a great young core from positions 1-3. Green is a good player but he isnt a true 4. The Thunder need legit big men to put in the middle and let Green come off the bench as a strong 6th man.
how green would react to coming off the bench, maybe he is receptive towards or he asks for a trade. The guy has proven he can start.
He has come off the bench in some points in his career. he's a solid player but he's not a true 4 and Durant has the 3 locked up.
im not sure how you see harden as a 3.. thats pretty small three and he never even plays the 3. he is a very good potential sg though. i think they are straight right where they are and needs to just give the team time to mature. i do hope they dont make a dumb mistake and try to get a shooting guard and try to rush things. they are doing things the way it should be done with this team. teams make mistakes when they try to rush success just because there team is ahead of schedule, that only works when he are getting a couple stars liek the celtics. patience is the key here. stick to the 3 year plan and just add players to make there bench stonger
and if the wizards make that trade for mullins there front office should be fired. thats just a plain horrible one way trade. mcgee has shown that he has a bright future ahead of him. mullins has shown.......... nothing. people can say what he could potentially be but mcgee also has potential and in my opinion a higher ceiling so it wouldnt make any sense for the wizards to make that trade. i can see how the thunder would love it though
I have to say that Presti is a genius though. I dont think that I disagree with anything he's done. He just stole another good young player. I also loved how he gave Livingston a shot even though it didnt pan out. This guy is stockpiling good young players. It is unbelievable that they have 7 players that were first rounders in the last 3 years and they still have 2 first rounders for 2010. After the 2010 offseason they could have a rotation that is made up of 1st rounders under 25 years old.
The Thunder keep playing the way they are playing this season, they will be a force in the west for years to come.
I think that the SG is actually their deepest position...If they address anything looking for immediate results, it should be the PF/C spot. Jeff Green is a solid player, and I think he's the most underrated player in basketball, but he's not his most effective playing PF, even though he can play that because of his size...He's got a skill-set that's perfect for the 3, but with Durant there he'll never get starter minutes at that spot. He could actually be a great trading piece for a true starting PF or C. I do think Portland (when healthy) has more depth and quantity interms of talent, but if you go position by position in their starting line-ups, the Thunder are the better team in the future.
im a strong believer in if it aint broke dont fix it. and although green would be a good sf he works well as a pf for the thunder. i dont think it would make sense for them to try to trade him for a pf who may not end up working out with the teamand mess up the chemistry which is very important. it makes more sense if its a older team liek with what bosotn did but wit a young team like that that is playing so well together it doesnt make sense to mess with what is working untill it stops working. green at the pf has caused so many problems with other pf trying to check him because he can handle and shoot and brings out the defender which gives durant less of a opposition when he or westbrook drives to the whole.
IMO, Green is the perfect 4 for this team. If they could get a hard nosed C, like Noah, Chandler, Okafor, Gortat, ect, this team would be set. Green provides mismatches for the elite teams like the Cavs, Lakers, Nuggets, and maybe even the Celtics and the Magic. He is very strong so he doesnt give anything up on defense or rebounding. If guys like Blair, Milsap, Maxille, and Hayse can play at the 4, so can Green. He is a great complement to Durant because he isnt in the way at the high post. With one of the previous mentioned Cs, they could space everyone out and watch Westbrook, Durant, Green, and Harden kill people off the dribble.
If they could somehow get one of those guys, check out this top 9:
C: One that I mentioned.
Why not have Harden keep coming off the bench? He's perfect to come off the bench and give them a scoring spark ala JR Smith in Denver. Just because your one of the best players doesn't mean you have to start. Sefolosha is a solid defender for them and doesn't need to get shots to be valuable.
Jeff Green is a perfect fit for 4 in their system. They don't really run a single post player in their offense and all their guys are pretty interchangeable. Any one of them can post up or step out and shoot. Besides, the NBA is all about these smaller more athletic 4's anyway, so Green isn't the only one. It's more like having 2 small forwards.
If I'm Sam Presti, I'm doing everything I can to get a guy like Brook Lopez or Chris Kamen on the roster. A big Center who can rebound and score on the block consistently would be huge asset to this team. Teams that shoot jump shots need a Post who can consistently score inside (Ask the Bulls over the last 4 years). If not those guys, go for an Elton Brand or even Drew Gooden maybe. This team is a low post presence and some more experience away from being a top 4 team in the West.
I also thought about the Thunder trading for Javale McGee, I though I was the only one. But if the thunder could get their hands on a consistent rebounder like a Joakim Noah, Chris Kaman, Emeka Okafor or Brook Lopez, that would be the difference from losing to the Cavs, Lakers, and Mavs. They can't rebound effeciently. I also like that James Harden comes of the bench. The Thunder being a young team, don't have depth yet. He could be a starter, but when all of your starters are tired and the backups come in, they won't score. I like that role for him, for now like a J.R. Smith or Manu Ginobli.
why javale mcgee of all players? i mean hes got talent but i think andray blatche could be a better choice of OKC...blatche has the size (6'11'' 248) to play center and the scoring ability...i mean mcgee wouldnt be bad but he's another unproven guy just like Ibaka.
Blatche isn't a true C, he's more of a SF than anything. Jeff Green plays alot of time on the perimeter as a pseudo-PF, but Andray Blatche is flat-out allergic to the low post. McGee would be better, as the Thunder don't need another perimeter player shooting jumpers. McGee provides alot of promising talent on offense down low, and the body and WILLINGNESS to play on the low post that Blatche has flat-out never been willing to show in the NBA...
mcgee at the center would be nice....mcgee,green,durant, theo or harden and westbrook
actually no dont make that trade..sebaka is progressing nicely. people have to stop being in a rush and just be patient. too many fans are always in a rush instead of just letting a team grow together if they are going in the right direction. but its not just fans its some owners and coaches. i.thomas is a main example of why you should be patient
I actually like the team that they have now. I think they need to get rid of Ollie, and trade their 2 1st round picks to move up to get either Cousins or Aldrich. Then they will be scary. I also think that Brooks should let DJ White start playing. He is a physical force and can shoot from mid-range as well. In their bench rotation if they have it like
Green (move him to the 3 after Durant takes a rest)
I think that would be a solid bench that they can have for years.
i can understand why you think they should trade ollie but think about it.. hes not great but hes a very steady smart 3rd string pg that hasd proven that he belongs. he doesnt do anything spectacular but he helps you and he doesnt really hurt you when he gets his third or second string minutes and thats what you want out of a 2nd or third string guy
I've been telling you guys, Kevin Ollie is the perfect mentor for these young PG's. That's where his value is, and that's why he's making teams while younger guys like Shaun Livingston are getting cut. He's like another coach basically, and he provides extremely steady PG play.
1. Harden is a scorer, thabo is a defender. Their starting lineup already has enough firepower in JG, KD, RW, if Harden was in the starting lineup his skills as a scorer would be wasted, while coming off the bench he's able to have the run offense through him and be effective. Thabo is their best defender, so would you rather him guarding Kobe or Sasha Vujacic, Broy or Rudy Fernandez, ect... Their current setup best utilizes those players skills!
2. Mcgee is just as much of a project has Ibaka or Mullens, trading for him wouldn't make much of an improvement, if at all. All they need is a C that can control the paint and hit the glass hard. Guys like Noah, Lopez, Okafor would be amazing, but not realistic. Their best bet for this type of a Center would be trading up for Aldrich, or perhaps even drafting Cousins if he's able to show he can actually play heavy minutes. If they were able to land a C like this it would take a lot of pressure of JG to rebound and defend in the paint. Keep in mind that they are currently the 9th best rebounding team (rebound differential per game), mainly because Durant, Thabo, and Russel all rebound among the best at their position. Westbrook, Durant, and Harden are all efficient slashers, I'm not really sure if you would want a pf who plays in the post. If you look at teams that get to the line a lot they always have either a C or PF that is an outside shot threat that clears the lane for the slashers...Toronto, Orlando, Wizards. This is a big part of OKC's offensive game, I'm not sure why you would want to change it.
3.Ollie was signed in the summer for a one year deal at the league minimum...obviously for depth at the pg, and since they have maynor they won't need him next year, but at this point his contract is less then a mil, and will help mentor Maynor and Westbrook, trading him wouldn't make much sense.
I know my beginning posts were way off, and I'll admit I was wrong about Harden being a 3. What I do want to say is I think we have to believe in Presti drafting abilities and not sleep on BJ Mullens. If Presti drafted him then he obviously saw something great in him that the public does not see. Also, the Thunder will not be contending for the West in say 3-4 years that is a sufficient amount of time for Mullens to be a very solid player, Harden to be well established, Jeff Green doing his own thing, and KD and Westbrook being all-stars. Not to mention the future draft picks the Thunder have that if they pick correctly will have an incredible amount of depth which will give them the ability to win 50+ games.
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Thank You. Better to admit your wrongs than to be a hard-headed idiot is how I have always felt. This time I knew the things I said were wrong.