^ very true quincey. it gets tougher in conference play
Look at last season for example: I remember Arkansas beat two top 10 teams in Texas & Oklahoma. However, once Arkansas got into Conference play they lost a ton of games against mostly significantly weaker teams. Coaching & strategy becomes more important in Conference play. Teams know so much about each other.
scorers tend to be more consistant also. zeller plays less minutes the davis and only 2 more minutes then strickland but he averages triple more points because right now he can score. he knows how to on a consitant bases. not just one or 2 games but game after game. this is why i havent given a opinion about certain players who ive seen for one or 2 games because my opnion would be skewed. someone can get hot for a game or 2 but if they have more games ( by alot) where they dont do as well then which shows there true game?..if i have 2 average games but 8 below average games what does that mean?..right now he isnt a scorer. a scorer doesnt have multiple zero point games
I don't understand what you put at the end lol.....But I do think that Texas and Michigan is better than arguably any team UNC will face in their conference, and I think that overall, yes the conference schedule is tougher overall because UNC played a super soft non-conference slate besides a few games. But at the end of the day, coaching only gets you so far, it's the players that play. There's only a limit to how big an effect coach gameplanning has on the game, because coaches will run the same sets and plays in conference or nonconference.
yeah those 2 teams have more talent but its alot harder when a teams knows youre plays. and youre underrating coaching big time. in college coaching is a big difference. thats why teams with more talent sometimes loses 2 a team with alot less talent and its easier to have a play work against a team that hasn't scouted you or played against you before then it is against a team that has played against you. all this tuff is fact we aren't making this stuff up iggy. you can ask any coach or google this topic and see what the coaches have to say
which is why so many teams schedule cup cakes out of conference because they know the season gets much more tougher when conference play begins. i mean hell even players have said it over and over again and even from experience ive found it harder to beat some teams in conference then it was beating a higher ranked out of conference team. out of conference teams dont know that i like to go left after 2 dribbles or that "black" is a play where we run a flex. but in conference knows what black is or if we set up a certain way then they know whats coming next.
I do think coaching is very important, but I know that how players play is much more important. A coach can run a play to get someone open for a jumper, but what good does that do if the player keeps missing the shot? Or if a coach calls for pick and roll, and the big man doesn't roll? Coaching is important, but its ultimately the players that get the job done. And a good coach should know what plays to expect and player tendencies anyway...that should be the coaches job to know that in the conference schedule or in the nonconference schedule.
well of course its up to the players to get the job done but you can get a team of playes who are real good with no coach and have them play against a team of players who are average to just good with a coach and the team with a coach will win alot more then the team with no coach. and coaches dont have time to set and scut and watch every team they play against over and over again. its not as easy as you are trying to make it sound. just go ask a coach so you can really know how it is instead of guessing how it is and why it isnt as easy as you're thinking it is. maybe that will help convince you
You should know how every team you play plays and have a good feel for what their players tendencies are...Your setting yourself up for ultimate failure if you don't know what your going up against playing at this high a level of basketball.. I'm sure a good coach would know what their opponent plays like and everything. That's not making it sound easy at all...You said it yourself that coaches in conference schedules know every player tendencies and the plays the other team runs lol
yeah they know some of the things but do you think they are gonna know as much as a team that plays against them 2 to 3 times a year every year? maybe you shoudl go to the kansas's and kentucky's and other big schools and tell the coaches they need to be better at there job and study more then they wont be beating a ranked team out of conference then losing to some bottom team in there conference. its alot easier from the out side looking in. reminds me of fans who would watch us and question us abut why we didnt dunk this ball or that bal or how we let this or that guy blow past us. it always sounds easier then it really is
.......I'm going by what you said. Remember when you said in conference games coaches know what plays the other team is running and they know player tendencies? Then when I say that any coach should know that kind of stuff anyway since that's what they get paid to know, you say I'm guessing how coaching works. It's pretty funny. What's the difference? It's not like these game's are on back-to-back days or anything...Non-conference college games are prepared for just as meticulously as conference games. I know that because my uncle is Dennis Felton (former coach at University of Georgia) and I he just told me as I type this right now via text message that the only difference between conference and non-conference games revolves around the fact that players are rustier during this stretch of the season, as opposed to how teams are usually hitting their stride by the conference slate. He said he knew player tendencies before every game because of "advance scouting" by assistants in his coaching staff.
But saying that coaches should know who they're playing is NOTHING like asking why players don't dunk more lol...
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thats funny since coaches always talk about conference games being harder then nonconference( and thats from roy willoiams. coack k, gary williams) ..i cant speak for how dennis felton does things but i can speak for what coaches have said year in and year out and from talking to coaches while i played college basketball. and the dunking thing is an example of someone on the out side looking in..you being the fan and the coaches being the coaches
UNC is young....there a year away. We must give them time.
why do you think teams stats go down during conference play?..or why most players dont put up the same stats? i played college ball and i can tell you i didnt feel rustier down the stretch..neither did my brother or my uncles cousins or friends. so maybe felton is talking about his player and he should probably practice more on there conditioning because that shouldnt be happening
oh trust me Q i think unce is gonna be a power house next year and possibly this year. they know the season is about to get rougher when conference play starts but they are battle tested so they should do alright. ill be happy if my terps can get another win from them like last year and pretty much every year
I understand that! I know that the talent level raises in conference games, that's why the stats goes down. It has to do with the level of talent going up. The weaker opponents are always scheduled in non-conference games, that's why the stats are decreased. The scouting of the opponents never changes according to him. It's just a different level of talent night in and night out, and more physically gifted players. I know that a teams conference slate is always tougher than the non-conference slate for a team in a major conference. That's why the stats go down...it doesn't have to do with coaches being ill-prepared though. If your trying to get me to believe that Coach K, and both Coach Williams' don't come into games knowing who they're playing and a coach like Dennis Felton who didn't have nearly the longevity of those coaches does, then I'm sorry. I just don't believe that.
a big part of the stats going down is the conference teams are better prepared for them then the out of conference teams. its not the only reason but it is one of the reasons. you dont have to believe that its true but its a fact. its actually pretty much common since even to people who dont watch basketball. if i play a team a couple times a year im gonna know more abou tthem and how there coahes coach and how some of there players play then a coach who plays against that same team once every 5 years. and yeah those coaches come into games knowing who they are playeing but the souting report for say gonzaga will be alot shorter for unc then a game against gerogia tech. they will know alot more about gatech because they play them more. any team you play more you will know more about and have a better chance of winning. example- if im playing a team in a series like the nba then ill be more informed on how to beat them then if im playing a game aginst that same team one time. and my players will know as well. scouting reports dont catch everything. and the arent nearly as good as playing against the team. if you were a fighter which info you think would be better if youre fighting a guy...youre scouting report from youre trainers or if you had fought him in the past?
I would go with the scotuing report from the trainers....that's what boxers do anyway if they want to win. I agree that if you play a team more than once that you know more about them, but you don't play every team in the conference schedule more than once 1st of all and 2nd of all, the argument was based around you saying that coaches don't even bother to scout against some teams, which I just found to be completely wrong by asking a direct source (which I didn't have to do, I just did for confirmation). The scouting is going to happen for every game and it would be irresponsible to try and coach against a team they you don't no how to execute against. The difference seems to be that scouting reports against a team that you are scheduled to play twice is kept the same (minus a few minor adjustments like an unexpected player making alot of jumpers or slashing to the rim, etc)....which is understandable as it doesn't make sense to have a duclipate of the same scouting report.
i dont remember saying coaches dontbother to scout. i do remeber saying they dont know as much about a team as the teams that play them in conference. you can believe what you want but the fact is the teams a team play in conference know more abou tthe team then a team that plays them out of conference. and a fighter would much rather have fought against a guy then get a scouting report because if you fight against a guy you know more of what they can do. its the same in anysport. the best scouting report is when you play against someone not whats on a sheet of paper. matter of fact its the same in the work world. you tend to do better at a job if youve done it before instead of reading about it. and i hope you really wouldnt rather go from reports from a trainer over lets say sparing with a guy instead...youre asking to get suprised and knocked out because of something the other fighter did that wasnt in the scuting report as opposed to sparing with him and knowing more from actually sparring with him. which is another reason's you see up sets int he ncaa. when you playing against a team youve never played against its harder to beat them then a team you have played gainst and are familar with
"and coaches dont have time to set and scut and watch every team they play against over and over again."
That sentence is where you talked about how coaches don't scout against some teams in non-conference games
and most teams do play the teams 2 and 3 times( conference tournament)..i think the big east is the only exception because there are alot of teams. and even some of them play teams twice
In the Big 12 you don't play every team twice..Or the SEC or ACC. I stopped looking after that because the pattern is just going to continue...
ok not every single team maybe one or 2 you dont play twice. but most of the teams you play twice. no need to look after that though because its a fact that conference teams are better prepared for other conference teams then they are for nonconference
I keep saying that I agree about that.....................................