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Two questions for you.

1. Tyreke Evans has without a doubt been the best rookie in the NBA over the last three to four weeks; its quite easy to see, all anyone has to do is to look at the averages for rookies during that period of time and see that Evans was far above the rest. What i want to know is how long, if things stay at their current rate, it will take that fact to catch up with these "professional analysts"? It seems like every time I see a video about rookie of the year, they spend like 13.25 seconds mentioning Evans, 3 minutes talking about Jennings, and 13.26 seconds talking about how Griffin has not really played yet.

2. What players would the Kings have to trade, in a fair deal, to get these players, if they could get them:

-Al Jefferson

-Marc Gasol

-anyone else you think would benefit them...


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Al Jefferson: Jason

Al Jefferson: Jason Thompson, Omri Casspi, and this year's 1st Rounder.

Marc Gasol: Jason Thompson and Segio Rodriguez or Spencer Hawes and Omri Casspi

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The Kings would have to

The Kings would have to include Kenny Thomas in the trade for Jefferson too.

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Both trades for Gasol were

Both trades for Gasol were deemed successful by the ESPN NBA Trade Machine. Can't try it for Big Al because it doesn't include picks. It does say successful for just a Thompson, Casspi, Thomas trade for Jefferson though. There's no way Kahn would do it without a 1st rounder included though, Jefferson may look like garbage so far this year, but he has looked much better the last couple of games, the problem for the Wolves, if they don't get consistent production out of their 2 and 3 spots they lose, guaranteed, even with some consistency they still lose, but it's still a lot closer of a game.

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Im not sure about the kings willingness to trade Casspi

Im not sure that the Kings would be willing to trade Casspi, and I definatley do not think they would want to trade Thompson the way he is playing this year. I think to get Jefferson they would have to trade, Kevin Martin, Spencer Hawes, and mabey some cash or a 2nd round draft pick.

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The Wolves wouldn't take

The Wolves wouldn't take back Martin, they're not interested in having to take on long term contracts, they want young players like Thompson and Casspi, not overpaid veterans like Martin, there's no way that would happen, to get Gasol or Jefferson you have to give up Thompson, that's the only young prospect outside of Casspi and possibly Hawes that anybody would want, I can't see anybody taking on Martin's contract, you guys are probably stuck with him for at least another year or two. I can't believe he has another 3 years on his contract after this year, that coupled with his injury concerns makes him untradeable. You would almost have to give Martin away for nothing to get rid of him, especially in these tough economic times, nobody will want to take that contract on, especially younger teams like the Grizz and Wolves.

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"look at the averages for

"look at the averages for rookies during that period of time and see that Evans was far above the rest"

You can still have good statistics on a bad team, I'd look at their win total more than anything, he's really the only consistent offensive threat they have and he's carrying them, obviously Thompson is a helluva player, but where would they be without Evans?

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"I think to get Jefferson

"I think to get Jefferson they would have to trade, Kevin Martin, Spencer Hawes, and mabey some cash or a 2nd round draft pick."

Maybe in the McFail days the Wolves would accept that.

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For tyreke to get national

For tyreke to get national attention he either needs to have some insane highlights or have a hugh scoring night like jennings did, who was talking about jennings before his 55 (nationally i mean)

To get jefferson they would need to give up kevin martin, donte greene, probably either spencer hawes or jason thompson and some picks
To get marc Gasol they would have to give up francisco garcia, donte greene, and this years first rounder. (To replace Rudy Gay if they lose/get rid of him.)

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Wow...

While it is interesting to see you keep posting semi-rediculous and hypocritical information I feel that I must at least try to better understand your argument.

Point one: "The Wolves wouldn't take back Martin, they're not interested in having to take on long term contracts, they want young players like Thompson and Casspi, not overpaid veterans like Martin, there's no way that would happen, to get Gasol or Jefferson you have to give up Thompson, that's the only young prospect outside of Casspi and possibly Hawes that anybody would want, I can't see anybody taking on Martin's contract, you guys are probably stuck with him for at least another year or two. I can't believe he has another 3 years on his contract after this year, that coupled with his injury concerns makes him untradeable. You would almost have to give Martin away for nothing to get rid of him, especially in these tough economic times, nobody will want to take that contract on, especially younger teams like the Grizz and Wolves."

First, Im not 100% sure that you realize we are talking about Kevin Martin and not Kenyon Martin. Second, The Wolves can not "take back" Martin because they never had him. Third, every team is going to have some longterm contracts at one point. Fourth, its incredibly idiotic to say that you are only interested in trading for underpaid and overachieving players that are still on their rookie contracts because it just sounds arrogant, unknowledgable, and most teams are not willing to trade those players unless the trade is in their favor by a landslide. Fifth, Im not sure why you have this idea in your head that teams will only take players with a year or two on their contract, most teams would love to have a great player signed to a three or four year deal. Do you honestley think that Martin is untradable? Before the injury he was playing extremely well, and since the injury was to his offhand, he is expected to come back without much change in his game. There are so many teams in the league hat would love to have a SG that is as talented as Martin, and the last time I check, that is one of the Wolves biggest weaknesses, a good SG. Lastly, Kevin Martin may have a history of injuries, but so does Jefferson.

Point Two: "You can still have good statistics on a bad team, I'd look at their win total more than anything, he's really the only consistent offensive threat they have and he's carrying them, obviously Thompson is a helluva player, but where would they be without Evans?"

Since the Kings have a good record compared to the teams that are home to most of the top rookies does that not just make my point more valid? Also, would that not mean that Flynn and Curry should have really good stats? Also, If you watched the Kings you would know that they have a good amount of offensive threats, such as Casspi, Hawes, Nocioni, Sergio, and Beno, who is considered he leading candidate for Most Improved Player right now by ESPN because of his consistent offense so far this season.

Point Three: "Maybe in the McFail days the Wolves would accept that."

That is actually a very fair trade considereing the way all the players involved have played so far, it lets the Wolves have an incredibly good SG, a draft pick, and a young and athletic Center to go with Kevin Love, and It gives that kings a presence down low that they are missing. The trade that you suggested is a great deal for the Wolves but a terrible one for he Kings, the Kings would get a PF\C who is a great player but is coming back from an injury, and they would give up Thomas, who is worth a lot right now because he is a big contract that expires at the end of the year, they would also be giving up Thompson, who is a 15 point 10 rebound PF that is underpaid and getting better with every week, and they would also be giving up a very promising SF in Casspi who is also getting paid very little and has giant upside. Also, i would not say that the wolves decision making has gotten much better since they fired "McFail", selecting 2 PG's in the draft? spending a ton of money on a coaching staff who have done almost nothing for their winning % so far this year...

(P.S. Great post "the I in win" I have to say that I agree with everything you said.)

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Jennings dropped 55. Evans

Jennings dropped 55.

Evans has dominated the league so far. He is a overall freak.

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Yea Evans is farther along

Yea Evans is farther along than any rookie I've seen since Lebron James.....I think he's probably passed Jennings as the Rookie of The Year as of now as well. I thought that Evans would be the leading scorer amongst the rookies (even though Jennings currently has him beat there), but the impact he's made has the Kings playing over their heads and has he in the MVP race early..

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i think the trade of minny

i think the trade of minny trading jefferson to the kings is just as semi-rediculous. sorry but its not gonna happen. i also dont think martin is overpaid. hes a very good player that was on a bad team. just like people thought gasol was overpayed and overrated

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Take a breath my friend

I have nothing against Martin, just that the Wolves wouldn't want him, and for Jefferson, who many consider to have the best low post footwork out of anybody not named Duncan at the age of 24, if you were the GM who had him, you would want a team's farm, he's already so skilled at such a young age, remember his knee is still pretty shot from last year, but he's still playing. They're looking to be like the Thunder, trying to build a young team that can grow together, I'm not sure throwing in an established veteran like Martin would make that team a championship contender any sooner, hey, I completely agree, on paper, Martin on the Wolves with Hawes looks a helluva lot better than just having Jefferson, a lot of that though has to do with the fact that they have a capable starting PF in Love.

"The Wolves can not "take back" Martin because they never had him"

I didn't mean the Wolves ever had him, I just meant taking his long term contract on, something the Wolves have been avoiding completely, even to the point where they don't care if they're 4 and 20 something.

"Fourth, its incredibly idiotic to say that you are only interested in trading for underpaid and overachieving players that are still on their rookie contracts because it just sounds arrogant, unknowledgable, and most teams are not willing to trade those players unless the trade is in their favor by a landslide"

Dude, that's what the Wolves have been trying to do, did you hear about the Randy Foye, Mike Miller trade? Obviously the Rubio thing didn't work out for the Wolves eventually, but they still own the rights to someone who was considered at one point to be the second most sure thing in this last draft and also got salary cap relief as well. How are Foye and Miller doing now? I believe Miller is injured again and Foye is the last man coming off the bench for the Wiz averaging 7 points a game. That's the kind of trades the Wolves will only make, dump salary, pick up young players. Man, do you take stuff personally, relax, breathe, you really will live longer. I'm nlt trying to disrespect you, I'm just saying that's the reality of the Wolves right now, they're not looking for immediate help, I know, it just seems like they don't want to win, but dude, you don't win championships having a one dimensional injury prone $10M per year scorer as your number one option.

"Since the Kings have a good record compared to the teams that are home to most of the top rookies does that not just make my point more valid? Also, would that not mean that Flynn and Curry should have really good stats? Also, If you watched the Kings you would know that they have a good amount of offensive threats, such as Casspi, Hawes, Nocioni, Sergio, and Beno, who is considered he leading candidate for Most Improved Player right now by ESPN because of his consistent offense so far this season."

Again, why are you trying to take this personally, relax, I'm just saying Tyreke is the most valuable player to your team, I'm not saying those guys are bad, I'm just saying without Evans creating they're not that good as a team. Evans is phenomenal, hell, I wanted the Wolves to take him, they actually planned to because they thought you guys were taking Rubio, you lucked out of the drama my friend, what a nightmare, but I believe that will work itself out.

"That is actually a very fair trade considereing the way all the players involved have played so far, it lets the Wolves have an incredibly good SG, a draft pick, and a young and athletic Center to go with Kevin Love, and It gives that kings a presence down low that they are missing. The trade that you suggested is a great deal for the Wolves but a terrible one for he Kings, the Kings would get a PF\C who is a great player but is coming back from an injury, and they would give up Thomas, who is worth a lot right now because he is a big contract that expires at the end of the year, they would also be giving up Thompson, who is a 15 point 10 rebound PF that is underpaid and getting better with every week, and they would also be giving up a very promising SF in Casspi who is also getting paid very little and has giant upside."

Same thing I said up at the top, all the Wolves want is cheap, young contracts, look at their roster, it's a mess, but like I also said, they don't care, they're building it from the ground up with impressionable young players.

"Also, i would not say that the wolves decision making has gotten much better since they fired "McFail", selecting 2 PG's in the draft? spending a ton of money on a coaching staff who have done almost nothing for their winning % so far this year..."

Man, you gotta stop taking stuff to heart, again, same thing above, they don't care about winning in the immediate future, just stockpiling as many cheap assets as possible, like the Thunder and Blazers. As for taking two PGs, would you honestly take Derozan or Williams over Flynn or even if they would've made the correct decision, Jennings? Jennings as well as Flynn have a much better shot at being star players than those two, and you know they had to take Rubio, everybody who's anybody said he was the second best player, he fell to 5, they had to take him, believe me, he's not Fran Vazquez, he's internationally known, he'll come over after 2011, maybe not to the Wolves, but he'd still be a bigger trade piece than Derozan, Williams, or even another PG in Curry ever would've been for the Wolves. As for the coaches, have you seen that roster? It's in shambles, and yes, Martin would add a much needed offensive presence at SG, but at what price, one of the best young PFs? Plus they'd get a softie in Hawes, they need more toughness not less. How does somebody over 7 feet only average 6 rebounds, that's attrocious. If the Wolves SGs or SFs don't score 30 together or one of them doesn't score 20 efficiently the game is a wrap, they lose, but that's there game, the staff is just trying to mold the players into what they want them to be, and young players are just the best ones to do that too.

"Lastly, Kevin Martin may have a history of injuries, but so does Jefferson."

I'm the one who's isn't knowledgeable? Dude Martin, has almost missed an entire season (over 70 games) the last three seasons, and it's generally around 25 games a season, that's bad, especially for a player that's supposed to be the number one option on your team making $10M per. Jefferson has missed a total of 32 games and that was in one season, all of last year and he came back months early from a complete ACL tear, give me a break, you're just arguing to argue, the Kings are better than the Wolves, feel better?

"Do you honestley think that Martin is untradable?"

Untradeable for the Kings because they wouldn't get what they thought was fair value back for him. Let's be real, Martin will have averaged only 55 games played each season for the last three season after this season making $10M with 3 three years still remaining on his contract, that would seem somewhat disturbing if you're a GM. This is also coupled with the fact that's he always notoriously been known as somebody who stagnates ball movement and plays less than stellar defense. A lot of teams would like to have him, but not at the cost the Kings would want for him, that's just the reality of how the NBA is reacting to the recession, I bet the Knicks would take him, but they'd want you guys to take back something like Chandler, and Jeffries or Curry back, that's the kind of deals they're going to get for him, he's a huge risk, a big enough risk where it would be very unlikely a young star such as Jefferson would be included in any deal for him.

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