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CHARLES GARCIA JR, IS THE 2ND BEST PLAYER IN THE COUNTRY NEXT TO JOHN WALL; KNOW ABOUT HIM!!!!!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=46712

He couldnt qualify at washington but is an absolute beast!!! 6'10 with handle, shot, and D!!!! Think a more skilled version of Rudy Gay!!!


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solid player..wouldnt say

solid player..wouldnt say second best player considering who they have played. like when conley led the nation in scoring but didnt really play anyone.

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Yeah, you gotta look more

Yeah, you gotta look more not level of competition than statistics

Still yet to see him play(as most of you are), but I read a great DraftExpress article about him, and i'll say hes possibly an NBA talent....but we gotta see the numbers he puts up against other NBA talent before we call this guy the 2nd best player in the nation

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2nd best player in the
2nd best player in the country? LOL...yeah right.  Probably isn't even a 1st round pick in 2010.
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see i cant say hes not a 1st

see i cant say hes not a 1st roundpick either though beause its not ie he's playing horrible either. i think lot of timesfans just discount a guy because they dont play in the major conferences or have a big name or on tv. i do think people ned to holdjudgement untill he plays against real good comp since i seen peple on here praise other plyers with names or hypd frehen who have played against basically the sam level of comp so far this year.

its gonna be hard with this guy though because the only above low major teams he will play against is washington and ok state(seemed to have played pretty well against them)

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He will be a 1st round pick

He will be a 1st round pick in 2010 if he continues to have a strong season and has 2 strong games against Oregon St and Washington

I think he's a decent player- not a top 10 pick maybe a lotto player to mid 1st.

We forget...Scouts are always watching

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oh yeah oregon

oh yeah oregon state...forgot about that..those will be key games for him and if he gets them to the tournament and does well while in the tournament

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plus he had good games

plus he had good games against Utah, Ok St, Fresno State and Portland.

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interesting if true i always

interesting if true i always have liked tall guys that have handles ala lamar odom or marcus camby

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Charles Garcia, Jr. | PF

Charles Garcia, Jr. | PF

Hometown Los Angeles, CA

Riverside Community College (CAlifornia)

Height 6'10"
Weight 220 lbs.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/huskymensbasketballblog/2010226992...

"The one that got away: Charles Garcia

Posted by Percy Allen

Stopped by the Seattle University exhibition game Saturday night and Redhawks coach Cameron Dollar, the former UW assistant, didn't try to hide his excitement about junior college transfer Charles Garcia, the former Husky recruit.

"He's the best pro prospect in the state," Dollar said. "I've been trying to hide him for a while now, but the word is going to get out. He can do it all. We knew (at Washington) how good he was. He's special, special player."

Not sure if Dollar is exaggerating.

It was just one game - and it was a game that didn't count in the standings - but Garcia was brilliant in a 96-68 exhibition victory over Division III Pacific Lutheran at the Connolly Center. Garcia, a 6-10 center, converted 12 of 17 shots, including 2 for 3 three-pointers, for a game-high 27 points. He also had a game-high nine rebounds and just one turnover in 21 minutes.

You can question the level of competition, however, the Lutes had three players 6-7 or taller.

Still, the "man among boys" metaphor was said often referring to Garcia, who did a little bit of everything. He's stands out in a crowd because he's able to dribble and shoot like a guard and he has a muscular, athletic frame that allows him to score inside.

Dollar likes Garcia's versatility, but the SU coach wants him to concentrate on rebounding and scoring inside.

"He's got to start from the inside out," Dollar said. "That's the progression he has to go through. Now will he be a man among boys every night for us, probably not. There's some tough teams down the road, but he'll be fine."

Garcia who hadn't played since January at Riverside Community College, said he felt nervous and anxious before his collegiate debut. He said hadn't thought much about UW since failing to academically qualify and is happy to be at Seattle U.

Not sure if Dollar is exaggerating."

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"Probably isn't even a 1st

"Probably isn't even a 1st round pick in 2010."

gatorheels,

You've made the same quote in two different topics about Garcia, come on dude, can you be a little more original? Plus, I bet you've never even watched Garcia play, I'd imagine you're like the majority of basketball fans on here in that you just look at stats and level of competition rather than actually watching games. gatorheels, watch him play and then tell me who you would take over him in the 1st round, don't even post the names Brackins, Cousins, Vesely, or even Devin Ebanks either, they're garbage compared to this kid. Also, to follow your lead gatorheels and be completely unoriginal here's a previous post on here from me about Charles Garcia:

"He has a lot of turnovers because he's forced to be the only offensive option on his team, he really is all they have, they were a D2 team last year. He does force a lot of situations, but I think it was a lot like Jonny Flynn's situation last year with the Cuse', he was forced to not only create everything for everybody, but also having to create all his own scoring oppourtinites on his own too. Obviously Flynn would be the better creator off the bounce which would result in much better A:TO numbers, but in Garcia's honor, he has a very tight, somewhat creative handling ability which allows him to get to the basket with ease, he's just not used to having to distribute the ball as well. Still Seattle U is doing better than other D2 teams transitioning into D1 such as North Dakota (Ben Woodside went to NDSU) so he is obviously having a great impact on any success they have. What do you think a 6'10" PF's numbers would look like if he were to be the main playmaker/facilitator off the bounce and also the only reliable/consistent/capable scoring option?"

Seattle U also can't make the Tourney because they're a transitioning team from D2 to D1, they can make the NIT though.

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whatever the level of

whatever the level of competition, it is a step above high school (kobe bryant, kevin garnett)

he has all the physical tools (athleticism) skills (ballhandling, shooting) to become a 6'10 PLAYMAKER

u can question the cupcake schedule but if his IQ develops to the level of a guard
where he can see the play before it hapens and draw double teams then he is a unique prospect

ala Earl Clark/Andray Blatche

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Garcia has a better shot

Garcia has a better shot than Clark and Blatche. He also has much better ball handling skills than Clark as well as being quicker than Blatche, maybe another Beasley, stronger though.

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re: gatorheels

it is great for u to write him off

I will love to see what this guy does in workouts

skeptic GM= failure
Brandon Jennings= skeptic bcuz he played against grown men in Italy
Kobe Brant skeptic bcuz he jumped sttraight from high school
Blair played at 300 lbs in college, showed the work ethic to drop the lbs and still maintain strength, and physicality

I would love to see him drop to a contender ala Blair or Budinger once Ming gets back
that way he can learn the game slowly and then explode onto the scene

NBA Comparison: Michael Beasley/Andray Blatche??< that's 4 Aran :)

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666Blanco- You are right I

666Blanco- You are right I have never seen Garcia play yet. I've been saying that.  Guess what?  The majority of people on here (I'm guessing 95%) haven't seen him play either.  Everybody is jumping on the bandwagon just because they see his name appear in the mock draft & see a couple websites hyping him up. I like to call this the "Paul George" syndrome.  Saying he probably isn't a 2010 draft pick is just a guess by me based on his stats, his team's success, & the level of competition. Trust me I know that is not the most accurate way to judge a player. Didn't mean to get you rattled haha. By the way buddy I watch a ton of college basketball, sorry Seattle is never on TV in Kentucky.

NOBODY was talking about this guy until draftexpress started hyping him up. 

I don't hate Garcia by any means. I wish him the best. I'm looking forward to watching him play. I just don't go crazy by reading scouting reports & seeing a player projected as a 1st round pick in a mock draft this early.

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gatorheels

gatorheels,

Then don't comment on a player you have never seen play, you make yourself look ignorant more than anything, it's like giving an opinion on something you have no knowledge about. Believe me, there's no need to get rattled in the haven of ignorance we call NBADRAFT.NET, I just had to point out that you make baseless opinions, be proud of yourself, you're behavior proves you have the mentality of a 10 year old.

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playing against weak comp

playing against weak comp canbe a factor so lets not just brush it aside like its nothing. yeah some players have played weak comp and suceeded but some have also dominated against weak comp and fall once they play against good comp. its natural to be skeptical untill you watch a player play against good comp. even the nba teams do it. they were skeptical towards curry untill he showed what he could do against nba caliber guards. im not sure i could compare him to micheal beasley unless he was putting up numbers better then beasley against the comp that he's faced..right now he's more of a question mark with potential

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i know i hadnt seen him

i know i hadnt seen him untill someone mentioned him on here and i looked up the game against ok state. also asked travis ford about him( recruited my nephew and is real cool wit my brother) and he says he's a very good player. this will probably be a debate untill he has his workouts

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gatorheels, BTW buddy, if

gatorheels,

BTW buddy, if you really did watch a ton of basketball you would make sure you had the four or five Fox Sports Channels, Seattle U has been on the Pacific channel several times already this year.

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So you really think Fresno

So you really think Fresno State isn't quality competition with a frontcourt of George, Seay, and Greg Smith?

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i think the talk about him being good has to at least be taken

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NBA Draft Prospect of the Week: Charles Garcia
December 9, 2009
Every year seemingly, a new NBA draft prospect comes out of the woodwork playing for a school that is hardly known for producing lottery picks. Our best candidate this year so far might be Charles Garcia at Seattle University.

Never heard of Seattle U? That’s not a shock, considering that this is only their second season playing Division I basketball. Although this is the alma mater of Elgin Baylor, the school is stuck in limbo as they make the transition from Division II, meaning not having any conference affiliation and being ineligible for the NCAA tournament until 2013.

Chris Joseph Taylor / Seattle University

Helping ease the transition significantly is the presence of one Charles Garcia, a junior college transfer from South Central LA who was denied entrance to the University of Washington for academic reasons, and instead decided to follow outgoing assistant coach Cameron Dollar across town to his new gig as head coach of Seattle. Garcia was initially slated to play at Sacramento State out of high school, but again was set back by academic issues that forced him to take the JC route.

Nine games into the season, Garcia ranks as the 3rd leading scorer amongst all NCAA prospects per-40 minutes pace adjusted, and has already helped his team notch solid wins over Fresno State, U.C. Davis and Utah, with the latter two coming on the road.

More impressive is the wide array of skills he’s flashed along the way, looking like a real prototype for what the NBA covets from a modern day power forward. The wow factor when watching him play is extremely high—think of somewhat of a cross between Andray Blatche and Lamar Odom. Garcia plays facing the basket almost exclusively, despite standing 6-10, and is often asked to bring the ball up the floor and act as a pseudo point guard for his team, as we saw on film in the Utah game. He’s an outstanding ball-handler who can create his own shot with ease in isolation situations and is incredibly difficult to stop off the dribble, which is something you can hardly about any other big man in this draft class.

Garcia was reportedly a guard until his junior year of high school, at which point he shot up 7 inches, which helps explain the unusual versatility he displays. It’s not difficult to see how this manifests itself, as Garcia currently ranks #1 amongst all NCAA prospects in free throw attempts by a large margin, at a ridiculous 14.1 per game.

It’s very common to see Garcia snatch a rebound off the defensive glass and bring the ball up the court (quickly) himself, often weaving his way in and out of traffic impressively. He gets extremely low to the ground when the ball is in his possession, oddly preferring to operate with his left hand despite being a natural right-hander—something that Kevin Pelton pointed out already at the beginning of this season. His first step is very solid and he shows impressive footwork and dexterity spinning and pivoting his way through the lane, although he is quite turnover at this stage.

More than just a slasher, Garcia also shows legit 3-point range on his jumper, having already connected seven times (in 23 attempts) on the season in nine games from beyond the arc. He can make spot-up and even pull-up jumpers off the dribble with deep range, showing excellent touch and mechanics along the way, although his shot-selection often leaves a lot to be desired. He hasn’t shown a great deal of a back to the basket game in the film we’ve watched, but appears to have a nice little jump-hook in his arsenal he can go to to complement his soft touch. He also appears to have an above average feel for making passes, even if there is work to do in this area as well, particularly when double-teamed in the post.

Garcia’s decision making skills aren’t up to par with his overall talent level, as evidenced by the fact that he ranks 3rd amongst all draft prospects in turnovers per-40 pace adjusted. He’s extremely aggressive looking to make things happen offensively, which can at times get him into all kinds of trouble. He tends to make lackadaisical passes and overdribble excessively in the open court, as well as force the issue running into brick walls in the half-court. He clearly favors driving left when attacking his man off the dribble, something that defenses will surely pick up on in time, especially in the NBA.

Seattle plays at a very fast pace and Coach Dollar seemingly gives Garcia unlimited freedom to do as he pleases on the court, which he sometimes takes to an extreme. It would be nice to see him take better advantage of his size against smaller matchups in the post—as he hangs out around the perimeter pretty much all game--or at least try to use his face-up game more in the 12-15 foot area rather than by pounding the ball behind the 3-point line while the rest of his teammates stand around and watch.

Although his frame is quite solid, he could still stand to get stronger and improve his balance, something that would help him finishing around the basket in traffic. While he’s an extremely agile and fluid overall athlete, he’s not what you would call a freakishly explosive leaper, which could become more of an issue down the road.

Defensively, Garcia is mostly a mixed bag, as on one hand he shows great length and instincts getting in the passing lanes (particularly on post-entry feeds) and coming up with deflections. On the other hand, his focus and intensity level seems to waver quite a bit, often looking lackadaisical defending off the ball, not really putting much effort into boxing out his man, and generally showing poor awareness.

He’s not as much of a presence as you would expect as a weakside shot-blocker considering his size, length and athleticism—especially at this admittedly poor level of competition-- although it’s possible that he might be under orders from coaching staff to save energy and not risk getting into foul trouble considering how heavily they rely on him offensively. He shows a lot of potential as a rebounder, but the fact that he hangs outside the 3-point line almost exclusively limits his effectiveness on the offensive glass.

Mark Harrison / The Seattle Times

As many NBA scouts are quietly beginning to realize, Garcia is a prospect that needs to be taken seriously. There may not be another player his size in college basketball with quite the same skill-level, which makes him extremely unique. NBA teams will want to research his background, particularly the academic issues, the less than stellar impact he made on the Junior College level, and the notion that he’s not always quite dialed in. We’ll also need to see if he can continue to play as well as the season moves on, but it’s safe to say that Garcia has established himself as a legit first round prospect, if not much more than that. Some NBA types we talked to and trust already swear by him.

He's already rocketed up our draft board, and we're sure the same will happen with the other draft outlets once they get the word.

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I just have Fox Sports

I just have Fox Sports South.

I'm no expert on Fresno St (another team that is never on TV in Kentucky) but I wouldn't say that is big-time college competition.  Fresno St. has a pretty bad team.

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666- So I take it you have

666- So I take it you have seen Garcia play quite a bit? If so, then what type of prospect do you think he is?...lottery pick, late 1st round?  Also what position will he play in the nba? Power Forward I'm guessing, but can he play some SF or Center?

Funny you said Seattle has been on FoxSports several times this year when in reality they have only been on TV once!  The game vs. Fresno St. was the only game that was televised on Fox Sports. Cmon man. You probably haven't even seen him play. If you have it is probably just that one game.   

You want to say I have the mentality of a 10 year old just because I'm not buying all the hype on Garcia yet...child please. I said the same thing about Paul George.  George was projected to be a top 5 pick in 2010 at one point in time & everyone jumped on the bandwagon.  I said George wouldn't be a 1st round pick & got criticized for it.  Guess what? Right now Paul George isn't even in the 2010 mock drafts period on draftexpress or this website. Looks like I was right about that! I was hearing how Paul George was the next Kobe.  Now I am hearing how Garcia is a stronger Michael Beasley haha. And Garcia is quicker than Blatche & handles the ball better than Earl Clark. And he shoots better than both of them.  If all that is true than Garcia is a sure-fire lottery pick. Time will tell.

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gatorheels,If you only have

gatorheels,

If you only have South, then why would you assume they've only been on Fox Sports once? I have not only my Fox Sports channel, but also four or five others too frpm all over the country. I have stated more than once on here how good Garcia is, espcially in particular posts where you've also posted, go find em'. I said he's a Top 20 Pick because I couldn't see a player with his size, aggressiveness, physical abilities, and skill set being drafted after the likes of Craig Brackins, Larry Sanders, DeMarcus Cousins, or even Devin Ebanks. As for you acting like a child, dude, are you listening to yourself? You're making baseless opinions with absolutely no knowledge, you're just hating to hate, some cats just got game dude, you know that. Hey, I realize guys do get hyped, bad sometimes, remember Chris Taft? That was the worst, I remember this site having him as like the #2 pick at one time. Garcia is not one of those players, and neither is Paul George. There's a reason sites like this and even, hate to use this as a reference, ESPN with a scrub like Chad Ford talking to actual NBA Scouts say George (Garcia too) is a big time prospect, maybe not lottery this year, as this site suggested, but still a guy that's going to be watched very heavily. As for the Kobe comparison, man, I'd be hating on them too, that's just stupid. I will admit I have only seen George play once, he's very thin and needs a lot of muscle, but you can see some next level stuff in his game, you can say he definitely has length and bounce. As for Fresno State's frontcourt, both Paul George and Greg Smith are considered to be future Lottery picks by this site and Sylvester Seay was projected to be a 2nd Round pick for quite some time, so the talent is there, I almost think the WAC is better than the PAC this year.

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THE WAC IS BETTER THAN THE PAC

THE WAC HAS AT LEAST 8 PRO PROSPECTS THIS YEAR! WHAT DOES THE PAC HAVE 4?

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gatorheels,You got to quit

gatorheels,

You got to quit hating though dude, I understand about the hypers, but it just seems in posts like you're trying to start an argument to start an argument, like you're trying to get a rise out cats. That just ain't cool dude, and I'm sorry I called you a ten year old, but when you act like that, it's hard not to point it out, I'm just saying watch dudes play and then give your opinion, otherwise you'll just seem like another typical poser, I mean poster (that goes to hypers too, George ain't no Mamba, Harrison Barnes ain't no Mamba either) on here.

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http://www.goseattleu.com/Spo

http://www.goseattleu.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=18200&SPID=10773&SP...

According to the Seattle website they have only been on TV once & that was FSN Northwest.

For the people that have seen Garcia play & think he is a 1st round pick that is cool with me.  I'm just strictly giving the hypers a hard time because I know 95% of the people on here have never seen him play, they are just believing what they see in the mock drafts.  That is just something that I can't stand. All of a sudden Garcia is the 2nd best player in college? wow.  Like I stated earlier people never even mentioned Gracia until draftexpress went crazy about him.  If people were really watching him play you figure they would start talking about him Before he appeared in mock drafts & scouting reports..ya know. 

99% of the time I don't give an opinion on a player I haven't seen play but it is instances like this where I just can't resist haha.  I'll try to quit "hating" 

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As many NBA scouts are

As many NBA scouts are quietly beginning to realize,
Garcia is a prospect that needs to be taken seriously.
There may not be another player his size in college basketball with quite the same skill-level,
which makes him extremely unique.
NBA teams will want to research his background, particularly the academic issues, the less than stellar impact he made on the Junior College level, and the notion that he’s not always quite dialed in.

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The Utah/Seattle U game was

The Utah/Seattle U game was on the Fox Sports College channel two weeks ago.

He's obviously not the second best player in this draft, but 15-25 is a much more likely possibility. It just seems like it's rare to find big men like him in college that have his size, skill set and are just so physically ready for the pros. Believe me, he's got much better range and a much better handle then Dominic McGuire. Plus, isn't McGuire like 6'8"? Weak comparison, I'm not a Beasley fan, so I'm not trying to say Garcia's potential is that of a Superstar, just that he's very versatile in that he's a PF with good length, size, strength, and agility, as well as being able to hit shots from the perimeter and having the quickness to drive to the basket from the perimeter. There just aren't that many 6'10" guys that can do these things, versatility is the name of the game, you see how the NBA is becoming a sport less defined by position and more by athleticism, size, and skill set.

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Garcia

Charles had 29 pts and 13 rebs in 28 minutes tonight. He hit the game tying shot and hit the winning free throws.

He might seriously be one of those kids that just rises all year long, and when he does workouts blows away some teams picking high.

He has legit size, he used to be a guard, and handles the ball a ton in college, good ball skills. He looks to have a pretty good shot and ability to rebound the basketball.

It won't shock me if he dramatically rises up boards come Draft day, this kind of thing has been known to happen in the nba and the draft.

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Are you his agent???

Are you his agent???

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i do agree with you gators

i do agree with you gators about if people on here were high on him or knew about him before they would have mentioned him before the article came out on draftexpress. and its hard to gauge a kid liek that when they aren't playing against top competition

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well

Seattle...

Has played Oklahoma state, portland ( was top 25) fresno state and a couple other decent D1 teams.

He performed well against all of them.

Look at Kansas for example they have played nobody this year, cept a Memphis team who is without Tyreke Evans and didn't get all the recruits when Coach Cal left.

Overall Seattles schedule this year has been harder than Kansas. So you could say the same think about a Xavier Henry or whoever, they haven't played anyone yet.....

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yep..i say the same thing

yep..i say the same thing about henry also. even though portland was a top 25 team early we all know they arent a top 25 team. not sure how good oklahoma state will be. no matter if youre a fan of this guy or not we all know he has to prove against a top team or in the ncaa or nit before hes gonna get some due respect. its the same for a divison 2 player who dominates and it was the same for rodney stucky and stephen curry

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Seattle plays Oakland

Seattle plays Oakland tomorrow night.  Oakland has that big Center Benson who is also supposed to be a nba prospect. I haven't seen Benson play yet either.  Should be interesting to see who wins this game as well as who has the better game Charles Garcia vs. Keith Benson.

draftexpress actually has Paul George in their 2010 mock draft 1st round for the 1st time. They have reported his stock is rising.  I don't why all of a sudden they are high on him now.  Who knows. 

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oh yeah forgot tha he plays

oh yeah forgot tha he plays for oakland and hes a potential second round pick. he' skinny but very athletic and runs the floor. this should be a good test both guys

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I'm curious to see him play.

I'm curious to see him play. I watched Oakland play earlier this season, but it was vs Kansas and Benson didn't really standout, but had a quiet 20 points 6 rebounds and I would describe him as very solid, and Aldrich had a some problems shooting over him due to his length, but he needs to bulk up before he goes to the league, he is very thin, but potential especially as a defender is there . I researched Garcia and he is averaging almost 5 TO's per game and he doesn't appear to be a playmaker judging by his 1.1 assist per game, including a 9 TO game in the Portland loss, but then again I haven't seen Garcia play, but hopefully I'll be able catch him this season because his upside seems to be intriguing, however, I'm always cautious of smaller conference players putting up big numbers because normally the NCAA leaders in scoring are from a tiny conferences and end up playing overseas.

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Fresno St. 68  UC  Davis

Fresno St. 68  UC  Davis 57

Paul George had 14 points, 9 rebounds, 5 assists, 6 steals, 1 block but 4 Fouls & 8 Turnovers.  

Oakland 77  Seattle 68

Battle of the relatively unknown prospects: Benson vs. Garcia

Keith Benson had 16 points, 16 rebounds, 5 blocks, but 5 Turnovers. 

Garcia had 5 points, 7 rebounds, 1 block, 4 Turnovers, & 5 Fouls 

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i guess benson showed him

i guess benson showed him whos boss

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"I'm always cautious of

"I'm always cautious of smaller conference players putting up big numbers because normally the NCAA leaders in scoring are from a tiny conferences and end up playing overseas."

It's because they're always too undersized, too slow, or not athletic enough to be in the League, Garcia has not only very good size, quickness and athleticism, but also the skill to be in the League. I didn't see the game against Oakland, obviously his stats were horrible, haven't seen Benson play yet, he is really that much of a force defensively or did Garcia have an off night?

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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/collegesports/2010537127_s

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Seattle U Men's Hoops: Redhawks lose to Oakland, 77-68
Charles Garcia, averaging 25 points per game, was held to a season-low five as Seattle University lost a men's basketball game to Oakland, 77-68.

By Bob Condotta

Seattle Times staff reporter

Oakland University decided to go small on Charles Garcia, and that helped result in Seattle University coming up short for the first time this season at home.

The visiting Golden Grizzlies, picked to win the Summit League title this year, handed the Redhawks their first defeat in four KeyArena games this year, 77-68, in front of 2,243.

Garcia, who came into the game averaging 25 points — fifth in the country — was held to a season-low five. He hit just one field goal before fouling out with 3:52 remaining. The 6-foot-9 junior, increasingly viewed as a possible first-round NBA draft pick this year should he come out, was 1 of 6 from the floor in 20 minutes. His previous low was 12 points.

Oakland, located in Rochester, Mich., usually used a smaller player to guard Garcia, then doubled him with a bigger player when he got the ball, often 6-11 center Keith Benson, another possible first-round pick.

"Everyone we saw tried to go big [on Garcia]," said Oakland coach Greg Kampe. "What we wanted to do was post our little guy up and then double him with our shot blocker and not let him take a big [defender] out on the perimeter and shake him and go by and create fouls. We thought our little guys could stay in front of him."

Garcia, who came in having taken 51 more free throws than any player in the country, was only 3 of 5 from the foul line.

Redhawks coach Cameron Dollar lauded Oakland's defense, but also said, "I don't know if [Garcia] was in there that much to where he was really a consistent problem for them because he was in foul trouble."

Indeed, Garcia played only 12 minutes in the first half after getting two fouls, then picked up his third on a double technical with 17:01 remaining. Garcia went to the bench for a while, then picked up his fourth foul with 13:57 left.

He scored his only field goal with 5:15 left to give the Redhawks their biggest lead, 65-60. But Oakland responded with a 7-0 run. Benson's layin with 1:16 left put Oakland ahead for good, 69-67, and he made the defensive play of the game when he swooped across the lane and used his long arms to block a layin by Aaron Broussard with 52 seconds left.

Oakland (6-5) then put the game away at the line.

The Redhawks (6-6) shot only 33.8 percent overall and were 3 of 18 on three-point attempts. Seattle was also outrebounded 57-39, with Oakland's Benson grabbing 16 along with his 16 points and five blocks.

"They guarded, they rebounded, they won," Dollar said. "Pretty simple."

OAKLAND, MICH. (6-5)
min fgm-a ftm-a or-t a pf pts

Nelson 10 1-5 1-2 1-1 1 0 3
Hudson 28 2-4 0-0 2-4 1 2 4
Benson 36 7-18 2-2 7-16 1 4 16
Wright 36 6-13 7-7 2-6 2 3 21
Jones 40 2-9 6-6 1-8 3 1 10
Eackles 14 3-5 2-2 1-1 1 5 8
Valentine 1 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 2 0
Cushingbrry 20 0-3 5-6 0-3 1 1 5
Maynard 15 5-11 0-0 1-10 1 3 10
200 26-68 23-25 19-57 11 21 77
Percentages: FG .382, FT .920. Three-point goals: 2-13, .154 (Wright 2-4, Eackles 0-1, Jones 0-2, Maynard 0-3, Cushingberry 0-3). Team rebounds: 8. Blocked shots: 5 (Benson 5). Turnovers: 19 (Benson 5, Jones 4, Cushingberry 3, Maynard 2, Wright 2, Eackles, Nelson, Hudson). Steals: 8 (Jones 3, Maynard 3, Cushingberry, Nelson). Technical fouls: Jones.

SEATTLE (6-6)
min fgm-a ftm-a or-t a pf pts

Broussard 25 5-14 0-0 3-4 0 3 10
Garcia 20 1-6 3-5 2-7 1 5 5
Gilmore 8 1-2 0-0 1-1 0 0 2
Boxley 31 2-6 2-2 2-4 0 3 6
Burrell 37 6-14 2-3 0-3 5 1 14
Lever 15 0-3 2-2 1-2 0 3 2
Olson 1 0-0 1-2 0-0 0 0 1
Gweth 32 4-15 4-4 1-4 2 3 14
Harris 13 0-0 1-2 0-2 0 1 1
Jones 18 6-14 0-0 1-3 1 1 13
200 25-74 15-20 16-39 9 20 68
Percentages: FG .338, FT .750. Three-point goals: 3-18, .167 (Gweth 2-7, Jones 1-4, Lever 0-1, Garcia 0-1, Broussard 0-2, Boxley 0-3). Team rebounds: 9. Blocked shots: 6 (Gweth 2, Jones, Garcia, Boxley, Gilmore). Turnovers: 13 (Garcia 4, Gweth 3, Jones 2, Boxley 2, Burrell 2). Steals: 10 (Boxley 4, Harris 2, Lever 2, Broussard, Gweth). Technical fouls: Garcia.
Oakland, Mich. 37 40 — 77
Seattle 33 35 — 68

Attendance: 2,243. Officials: Scott Harris, Scott Brown, Fred Trotter.

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good job...without that

good job...without that assesment most people probably wouldnt have known why he didnt play that well

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I have seen him play

I have seen him play three times this year, and trust me he is lottery or maybe just out of reach of the lottery he is a big time player! Also start learning about Elias Harris of the Zags, 2nd best freshman in the country!

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I played with Garcia here in

I played with Garcia here in Riverside

Elias Harris looks slow on the wing

they each have their weaknesses

STOP WITH THE EXCLAMATION MARKS THAT S**T is WEAK, SON!

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The WAC is Whack

The WAC is Whack

I like Harris as a prospect.  I wouldn't say he is the 2nd best Freshman in the nation though.

We will see how Gracia does tonight... Seattle vs. Oregon St. 

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how can u say the wac is wack?

They have 10 legitimate pro prospects; Nevada’s Luke Babbitt and Armon Johnson; Hawaii’s Roderick Flemings; Fresno State’s Paul George, Sylvester Seay and Greg Smith; Louisiana Tech’s Kyle Gibson and Magnum Rolle; San Jose State’s Adrian Oliver; and New Mexico State’s Jahmar Young, to name a few, and yes Harris is the second best as far as production on the floor, I dont ride on the coat tails of upside, so throw Derrick Favors and others out of contention, my opinion is based on in-game production

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i dont think the wac is wack

i dont think the wac is wack but those prospects are maybe 2nd rounders and most wont even get drafted. paul and luke might go first round but i can go to a bunc of other conferences with more and better prospects.. as far as the pac stanford has one ucla has 2 or 3 washington state has one washington has 2 or three havent watched arizona usc has one cal has one or 2. just liek the wacs case most are second round prospects and the pac is on a very down year.. that happens sometimes when you are a nba lotto factory.

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Seattle 99  Oregon St.

Seattle 99  Oregon St. 48..... talk about a surprising beat down.  What is a little troubling though is Charles Garcia only played 15 minutes.  He had 10 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assists, 2 turnovers, 4 fouls.  I know Oregon St. isn't good but I fully expected them to beat Seattle at home.

J.KHORDZ- just because a conference has 10 pro prospects as you say doesn't mean that conference has good/quality teams.  Don't believe everything you see in a mock draft.  Plus out of those 10 players you named in reality only 5 or so will end up getting drafted when it is all said & done.  Let me break down the WAC for you & expose them right quick:

Boise St. 9-6  best win: Portland St.  worst loss: Montana & Wyoming

Fresno St. 8-7  best win: San Diego  worst loss: Montana, Oregon St.

Hawaii 8-7  best win: Northwestern St.  worst loss: Northern Colorado

Idaho 8-5 best win: Portalnd  worst loss: Texas Southern

New Mexico St. 8-7 best win: UTEP  worst loss: Cal Fullerton

San Jose St. 8-5 best win: Santa Clara  worst loss: UC Riverside

Utah St. 10-6  best win: BYU  worst loss: Northeastern

Louisiana Tech 14-2  best win: Nevada   worst loss: Arizona 

Nevada- 9-6  best win:  Tulsa   worst loss:  Pacific 

As you can see the majority of these teams don't have any wins against "Quality" opponents. You will also notice how the majority of these teams have lost to "terrible" teams. 

All those "pro prospects" as you say are playing on bad teams against cupcake competition. Don't believe all the hype on these mock drafts.

In summary this conference is Weak...c'mon man.  Not even a single team in the WAC has beaten a top 20 team all season.  

I don't hate the WAC but overall as a conference it is pretty Whack...thats just being real.

Only 1 team from this conference is going to make the NCAA tournament.  That will be the winner of the WAC conference tourney.

I agree the Pac-10 is really bad this year.  However, they are 7th in the RPI rankings while the WAC is 11th. 

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in hindsite

in hindsite

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What the 7 minutes spread out

What the 7 minutes spread out over two games he has played in the summer league after going undrafted dismissed the thought that people should "know about him?"

Draft Express started that drum beat for a Pac 10 recruit who landed at a provisional D1 school and put up numbers. I like numbers and statistics, but if you cannot analyze them properly they do a person no good. Everyone who ended up buying the hype looks silly. The Whiteside hype similarly looks rather foolish at this point, and I think this site had him as high as #3 overall. I would argue, however, his career may be better for falling to where he did. Now, Sacramento has three years before they pay Whiteside $1 million for a year. For what they are paying him, they can send him to the NBDL and not appear to have misjudged what he is. Garcia will probably go to the NBDL and make less than the NBA per diem to do it. I think the NBDL would probably better prepare him for the NBA than another year at Seattle, and I'm not sure if there are boosters at provisional D1s to throw him more than meal money to play there.

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