Looks like Allen Iverson and the gang will get their losing streak snapped.. They're killingthe Warriors...LOL... well, in the first place, the Warriors really stink this year...(sigh)...
Yea, Philly has killed them on the glass...Thaddeus Young has been dominant this game. Radmanovic is wayyy too slow laterally to keep up with him. And Randolph has defended him only slightly better
Jrue Holiday & Iverson playing well in the same backcourt. People are going to regret saying Jrue was a bad pick at #17. I thought he was a steal there. I was one of the few people on here that thought Holiday was going to be a very good pro. We will see, he still has a lot of learning to do but I am liking his progress.
Warriors stink for many reasons:
1. Traded Stephen Jackson for basically nothing (this was a good move long term though). Bell isn't playing. Radmonovic stinks.
2. Crazy Coach Nelson
3. Biedrins, Azubuike, Turiaf, & Brandan Wright are all hurt & have missed significant time.
4. Curry & Ellis starting alongside each other in the same backcourt isn't working IMO.
5. Wow...it is never good when Radmonovic starts at PF & Mikki Moore starts at Center. That is the worst starting frontcourt in the league.
Loving Jrue Holiday's progression. He has a fire I didn't think he had from his interviews and college season...Very impressed.
Don Nelson and The Warriors GM must be fired immediately. The Warriors are the biggest mess in the NBA. Monta Ellis, even though he's one of my favorite players is doing a horrible job of integrating all these players and making them a team. To his credit though, Don Nelson is the coach and that guy is literally insane at this point I think.
Anthony Randolph needs more touches and playing time as evidenced tonight. He's usually the best player on the court for the Warriors.
Ah this Golden State team is so frustrating. It's seems like each player is just trying to fill the stat sheet.
New coach, new philosphy and a defensive oriented center then this team will be going somewhere. They have plenty of talent, not even potential but actual talent. Don Nelson must go.
Holiday is a very vanilla player. He sets up the offense and passes the ball. He's not aggressive and he's not a true starter, but he's definitely better than I thought he was. He has to look for his own shots more at times. He passes up alot of open looks, but he did much better about that this game.
As for Golden State, you mentioned all the things they have wrong with them lol...
I guess by Vanilla you mean, not flashy, as if that's such a bad thing. Why is he not a true starter? What has he shown you to say he isn't a true starter? He's a rookie who's been in the league 21 games and probably played in less than that. He's a better defender than any of the 76'ers perimeter players right now...That automatically should give him strong consideration as a starter. The 76'ers with Allen Iverson and Lou Williams don't need someone looking for there own shot more often they need a POINT GUARD who can set up the offense for other players.
Jrue is raw, and I'm not saying I see crazy potential in him...but he could be one of the top facilitators in the league in my opinion. He possesses great size for the point guard position with well above average speed and athleticism. Tonight if anything, I think he proved he deserves to be a starter...Hell I'd say he's better than Stephon Curry.
Every dubs fan is against our coaches and FO. Maggette sucks, Moore sucks, vlad sucks, coaching sucks. We are so stupid, AR is a beast when in but our coaches have killed his confidence. The dude will be an all star if he gets a coach. Moore?! Really coaches?
By vanilla, I mean he does the things any NBA PG should be able to do. He brings the ball up the court and calls the set or play and then gives up the ball. He also isn't raw at all. He's got potential, but it's not like the sky is the limit for him. I think he'll be a Delonte West type at the end of the day. And I know that he's the better defender than Williams and Iverson, but he hasn't been taking open shots or trying to get to the rim very much. It's not like the 76ers don't need someone to put pressure on the D, they were on a 12 game losing streak. They needed someone to try and be aggressive. He was this game, the most aggressive I've seen him this season and we won. His athleticism is decent, and he has the size, but he's still not a pure PG to me and him and Stephon Curry are probably a push as to who's better.
Responding to some of what you guys said. Monta is struggling to get others involved cause when he does people don't do anything around him, he is a 2, and our coaches gaemplan is iso plays. They Curry Ellis back court can work if others help. Steph has been a great passer but the numbers are skewed since Vlad and Mikki suck. Curry is a solid point and Monta is a great all star caliber player (not tonight though). AR needs to play 30+ minutes but were too dumb. A core of Ellis, AR, Curry, top 5 pick (Wes?Xavier?Aminu?)Morrow(struggling lately,death in family could be cause), Wright, and Biedrins is not bad. But tear down coaches up, no Maggs, Vlad, Moore or CJ. EVER
Iggy, you say Holiday does the basics of the pg situation. He brings it up, passes it to the open man, rebounds defends. His stat line tonight was like 15-7-7 and 3 steals. You say that is "vanilla" but isn't that exactly how Rondo plays who you think is a all-star pg. He doesn't need to look for his shot stuff because he makes the right play and get's the team in their offense which is what Holiday is trying to do. Why is one guys style "vanilla" while the other one is awesome? Keep in mind Holiday is the youngest player in the league a full year younger almost then Jennings.
I also said that he was more aggressive tonight and that was one of the reasons we won the game tonight. Here's that part:
"It's not like the 76ers don't need someone to put pressure on the D, they were on a 12 game losing streak. They needed someone to try and be aggressive. He was this game, the most aggressive I've seen him this season and we won."
I'm talking about style. You say his style is not effective because he looks to just bring it up and pass and doesn't force things. I've watched him plenty this year, he was still playing that way tonight for the most part as well. He let's the game come to him and makes the smart plays without forcing things. You call this vanilla, but when Rondo plays the exact same style you think so highly of it. So what's the difference in their style of play?
I never said his style was not effective. I said that he's not very aggressive and not a true starter, which is the the case, it's just that Williams is out and Iverson played off the ball tonight.
Rondo and Jrue Holiday do not play the same style. Rondo is a much more aggressive slasher than Holiday and a better passer. Holiday does not put as much pressure on the defense as Rondo and is much more of a spot-up shooter than Rondo. Holiday only tries to create shots at the rim for himself when he can go in a straight line to the basket, while Rondo takes all sorts of angles to the rim and draws extra defenders to kick out to the Celtics' players. Rondo is also the better defender of the two, and will probably always be barring a major surprise. Him and Westbrook are probably the only 2 PG's in the NBA that can guard the ball, switch and help on double teams, and then get back to their man without losing a step. Holiday is a steady, and solid defender on the ball who can at times fall asleep off the ball, like most rookies..
I think they play a very similar style. Pointing out a few differences doesn't mean they are completley different in their approach to the game. i don't think Rondo forces the issue and creates plays nearly as much as you. And Holiday is a better shooter, but still pretty weak in that area. I think they both bring a lot of the same things to the table with how they approach the game. Rondo might always be better better defensively, but holiday is very good in that area and will only get better. I wasn't trying to argue with you since we obvioulsy disagree about these guys. And I didn't take your points either.
I mean they play similar in that they both don't try to score alot and both play defense, but yes, when you point out player differences it does indeed show something of a different approach to their games. Rondo and Holiday definitely don't play the game the same way or share alot of similarities in their games at all..those differences I listed where more than a few things. It was damn near their entire respective games haha...
But yea, the point thing doesn't make much of a difference to me, it's cool.
Eddie Jordan said it felt like Alka-Seltzer after snapping a 12-game losing skid...LOL
well lets look at their similarities:
both have good size and pride themselves on defense.
both do not look to force the issue with their own shots or points.
both play under control, read the court and find the open man.
both rebound well for a pg.
neither look for their own shot off of screens quickly, instead they usually wait till the defense leaves them no choice but to shoot.
I think both are very good passers.
Holiday wil only get better and I'm not saying is/will be better then Rondo. But style wise, I see plenty of similarities while you say you see almost none? The one big thing I would give rondo is that he is more confident driving and creating, but that often comes when defenses are focused elsewhere and he finds cracks not because he is putting his head down and beating his man off the dribble.
Rondo has very average height for an NBA PG, and average or slightly below in terms of his frame while Holiday has great height and a great frame for an NBA PG.
I agree with the 2nd one.
I agree with the 3rd one.
Rondo is a much better rebounder than Holiday is....
Holiday is much more likely to take a jumper off of a screen or pick than Rondo. Like, 100 times more likely.
Rondo is a much better passer than Holiday. Holiday has very mediocre court vision and passing skills, while Rondo is one of the very best passers in basketball.
Rondo is also a beast at breaking defenders off the dribble, I don't think him getting to the rim has much of anything to do with defenses being focused elsewhere rather than him being freakish explosive and having great handles. What he does in terms of finishing and passing has to do with defenders focusing elsewhere though...