Top 3 Reasons not to draft John Wall with the #1 overall pick
1. He is not ready for NBA basketball...he must first win at least a national championship before leaving...point guards need to adapt the Isaih Thomas method then the Allen Iverson Method 14 yEARS IN THE LEAGUE no ring...win a national championship before you go to the NBA, then win 2 tittles.
2. He cant shoot! none of Calipari's point guards can shoot. Derrick Rose, Dewaun Wagner,...great athletes that cannot shoot..jump out the gym, but in the NBA all guards must shoot.
3. Derrick Favors is better!!!!
This is a bold post but IMO, Wall is still the number 1 pick because of what it means for a team to have a great PG. Im not saying one way or another whether or not he will be but you cant deny the potential. Favors is pretty good also.
John Wall is very athletic...but i feel i have seen him before...aka Derrick Rose...
This is an off year for Point Guards in the draft, since last year we saw Rubbio and Flynn, Jennings, Curry go first round last year. The closest to Wall is Warren in Oklahoma.
I think the only way Wall doesn't go 1st overall is if a lotto team like Utah (who has the Knicks pick) goes 1st, as they already have one of the best PG's in basketball on there team. But even still, they can take him and trade the pick to fill a void on their team. I don't see him getting pass 1st though, even as there are teams that don't need PG's in the projected top half of the lotto.
That is why someone will grab him this year. Because he is rare. You said something about Rose but that hurt your argument. Rose was the number 1 pick for a reason. Him being just like Rose means he should be the first pick also.
but he cant shoot!!!!! a number onbe pick should be the best player, with the most Complete package....not jus the most athletic...but the most complete package....thats Favors!
my top three goes as such
1. Favors- Georgia Tech.....Amare Stoutemire agression, Chris Bosh game.
2. John Wall- Kentucky.....Derrick Rose/ Russel Westbrook
3. Wesley Johnson...depending on the Big East Tournement/ NCAA Tourney.
Favors can't shoot too well either. And to be honest, I've said it in other threads, John Wall is a better shooter at this stage of his career than Rose was. I've watched every televised UK game (I think 3 or 4?) and John Wall seems to have a pretty good consistent shot within 15-16 feet. He's only a freshman, like Favors, give him a chance.
Also, shooting matters a lot but when you can get to the rack like Johnny can, we can forgive some things right ; )
The most complete package??? I thought he had to be the most NBA ready. I didnt know he had to be able to do it all. I mean what about Oden, Rose, Bargnani, Bogut, Howard. Those 5 guys are the first picks in the 5 previous drafts. None of them were the total package. They were simply the most NBA ready or showed the most potential. They all had flaws in their games.
Im not saying Wall is a bad player every player has flaws...he just not a number one pick in my eyes. Favors is 6'10 250 he has the NBA Body all ready.....he will average a double for a NBA team night in and night out...i dont think Wall can do that for an NBA team..thats why Favors should be number one cant lose with both but i think Favors should be the easy number one pick
Wow, you're making very little sense. Here...
1st, John Wall also has an NBA ready body...6 4' 190 or something, NBA ready for sure. Favors isn't even averaging A double double in college what makes you think he'll do it in the pros?
By your logic Hasheem Thabeet should be averaging like 15 and 15 simply because hes 7' 2 and weights like 280...Makes zero sense.
Favors is arguably less polished than Wall
Lets look at the pros and cons for a team drafting Favors vs Wall.
What is Favors good at??
Average defender in college.
Average size for PF.
What is favors bad at??
Defense can use some work or it wont translate.
Really no post moves.
What is Wall good at??
Seeing the floor
Running the floor
Great size for PG.
What is Wall bad at??
Needs work on D.
Oden- 7'1 post a beast when healthy!
Rose- led his team to the NCAA Championship....can Wall do the same as freshman?????? I say NO! good cast in Kentucky but not this season.
Bargnani...7 footer who can shoot the three.....aka the next Dirk..have to go number one pick
Bogut- Absolute flop! should have never went before Derron Williams, and Chris Paul.....but then again the post is a glory position in the NBA.
Howard- Rare Tallent..unbelievable
IF WALL GOES TO THE NBA HE SHOULD GO WITH A NCAA TITLE! PERIOD THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO SOLIDIFY HIM AS THE NUMBER 1 PICK IN MY BOOK!
LIKE I SAID I DONT WANT AN IVERSON TYPE PLAYER....GIVE ME AN ISIAH THOMAS TYPE PLAYER, OR EVEN MORE RECENT CARMELLO ANTHONY..WIN ME A COLLEGE TITLE THEN GET ME AN NBA TITLE.
Those are your three reasons? Saying that Allen Iverson not winning a championship in college is the reason he did not win one in the NBA, saying that because he plays for a coach that he can not shoot and saying that another player is better without stating any reason why so since his performance has yet to do so? I'm sold! On a serious note, extremely poor argument so far. You are comparing him to Derrick Rose like it is a bad thing? Really? I mean, Chicago may have problems, but picking Michael Beasley sure as heck would not have been the answer. Also, the best center in the draft, that guy Lopez, on the worst team in the league right now. Oh, and Kevin Love, another big the Bulls could use, also on a bottom feeder. I think that kid Rose played like a man in the play-offs and he won the Rookie of the Year while looking as if he could be a top PG in the league. DaJuan Wagner could not shoot? I beg to differ, maybe not 3 point range, but Juanny had a J, he just had numerous injuries and did not have the athleticism of either Rose nor Wall. Now, I do understand that playing for one year in college usually means you take some time before you adjust to the NBA level of game, but not everyone is Isiah Thomas man. I mean, Chris Paul did not win a title, did he make a mistake? What about those people who constantly talk about Milwaukee/Atlanta passing up a player who is now considered the best PG in the league, are they idiots too (well, maybe, but that is due to their inability to get past the fact that they didn't do it)? Those guys, Steve Nash, Deron Williams, Devin Harris, Jason Kidd, heck Tony Parker, they never won a championship in college. But that Parker dude, he is from France and has won 3 in the NBA, so every french PG must be amazing! I know I am laying it on thick, but honestly, am not sold on the argument so far. John Wall has looked resoundingly solid and seems to have what it takes to be an NBA star. I am not at all saying Favors does not, but he has a longer way to go than Wall I believe. I think it is smart that Derrick Favors went to a conference like the ACC to play against top flight bigs, but John Wall is also in the SEC, and he has played really well at every opportunity thus far. As far as his shot, his mechanics do not at all seem horrible, and I am sure like most PG's, he will improve with time. Would it be nice if he won a championship by maybe staying another year or two? Of course, but in this current state of the game, it is not going to happen. Derrick Favors sure as hell won't stick around the 8 years they may need to win one at G-Tech (win Derrick finally gets a mid-range game to compliment his freakish athleticism and strength), and I am sure he will do fine for himself as well. As of right now, give me some better reasons for John Wall not being the first pick in this draft, make them relevant to this draft and if you are saying a player is better than John Wall in this draft, you have to give some kind of explaination. I am sure I am not the only one who would need it.
You meant to say three reasons why I know nothing about basketball.....
Just thought I'd point it out: Derrick Favors goes about 6'9" 225. Not 6'10 250. I love Favors game, but I just dont see him as someone that's better than Wall right now
Wall has serious game im not denying that...he just doesnt have the first round, number one pick game.....unless he can win a title..period...Favors is NBA ready...more so then Wall. i believe Favors has size, athletisism, he is more of a helpside defender, but he is young he will grow to be at least 6'11 when its all said and done...
As soon as i saw it , i knew i was giving it a minus 1. The points make me want 2 give it a minus 2
Also, Jayshaun Agosto is young and may grow to be 7'6. Seriously man? Did you mean to say Derrick Favors is a better help side defender? Homie, you need to give us sentences why. Is Derrick Favors a PF or a C too you? Does he change a franchise? Is every team better off drafting Favors? If you want people to take you seriously, which for some reason I do, ask these questions in your head and answer them in your post. So far, just looking ridiculous. Which trust me, for not wanting to take a PG with the number one pick in the draft, you have a lot of fuel, but you still have managed to make yourself look ridiculous. How many rings did Melo win in the NBA? Did Kobe win a state title at Lower Merion? Was Shaq an NCAA champion? Or do just point guards have to do it to prove themselves too you? If so, damn you have high standards.
Who's to know that he gets 2 inches of height? That very hypothetical....I think Wall is rawer than Favors, but he's so athletic and long that it tends to not matter. I also think that with time, Wall can better one of the best players in basketball, even better than Favors. A sign of a special player is them being super good even when they have a whole lot of raw potential, and are just scratching the surface of what they can be. Wall is less NBA ready than Favors, yet he is more productive and effective in games. That shows just how good he can be...
MikeyVthedon do you have an ESPN account do you ever post on the ESPN NBA Fantasy Basketball Boards? Random question I know
The Only Players I can see Upseatting John Wall for that #1 pick are:
Greg Monroe & Xaiver Henry and even then- It's not gonna happen.
I feel Wall will be the next #1 pick unless some explodes and shocks the world.
For Derrick Favors wants to be the 1st overall pick he must
Play the SF position
Work on that D
learn to Bang down low
The guy that made this post=clueless.
I thought Evan Turner had the best chance outside of Wall and Favors, but he'd be a super long shot as well
none of those players are number one picks!!!!!! stick to the subject...I like Wall he is just not ready for the NBA as a number one pick...i dont think he will live up to the hype!....im talking number one pick!!!! not that he isnt ready for the NBA......JOHN WALL IS NOT A NUMBER ONE PICK!!!!!!!!! Allen Iverson has game no doubt..but he has how many championships????? Zero
Number one picks
96- Allen Iverson.....MVP....NBA Finals...All Star Game MVP...lol
97- Tim Duncan 4 Championships.....PF
98- Michael Olowakandi---its the Clippers........PF
99- Elton Brand-----Flop!...............PF
00 - Kenyon Martin----PF
01- Kwame Brown....PF
02- Yao Ming.......C
03- The King...Lebron James....PG, SG,SF,PF...NBA Finals
04- Dwight Howard.....C....NBA Finals
05- Andrew Bogut- C...Flop!
06- Bargnani...next Dirk!.....C
07- Greg Oden.....Monster when he finally desides to where a knee brace
08 - Derrick Rose.......led team to NCAA Championship....PG
09- Blake Griffin....PF.
See a trend? the NBA doesnt want to have some 6'4 PG as a number one pick!!!!! AND I DONT WANT TO SEE IT! FAVORS IS THE MOST NBA READY AND WILL BE A NUMBER ONE PICK!! yeah not everyone is Isaih Thomas but John Wall obviously has game...I just want to see a 6'4 185lb point guard win a championship before he has to go up against bigger, stronger, faster point guards in the league. He needs to prove himself....when u draft a Center or Power forward as the NBA has did for 12 of the last 13 number one picks u have a 16 percent chance of getting to the finals. And a 33 percent chance at winning THE NBA CHAMPIONSHIP. Even Isaih Thomas didnt go number one in the 1981...he went number two behind Mark Aguire. Allen Iverson, Derrick Rose and John Lucas since 1976 are the only Pointguards taken with the number one overall pick since 1976........result...0 rings! 2 NBA Finals appearences ( Iverson 2001, Lucas in 1986 w Rockets) so its a bad decision anyway you look at it......Besides Magic Johnson who was a 6'10 PG..taking a little guy number one is a joke!!!!!!
Favors should be the number one pick! unless you take Wall he might win you a FIBA Championship if you draft him number one.....
My Question is:
Who wins rings? The Answer: Big Men
With that being said- I want John Wall lol
This is just silly...
"NBA doesnt want to have some 6'4 PG as a number one pick!!!!! AND I DONT WANT TO SEE IT!"
Actually had me laughing. You're weird as hell.
Your arguments are HORRIBLE. Nothing you say correlates to John Wall and his actual talent in the upcoming draft class.
Hey guy, stop it. You make little to no sense.
So Far I have learned that
The NBA doesn't want a 6'4 PG.
You can't win in the NBA unless you win a national championship.
If your athletic you can't shoot.
Magic Johnson was 6'10.
And Wall hasn'tlived up to the hype.
Keep it coming!!!
...Magic was 6-9
But I will say this: John Wall will need to cut down the turnovers. I also want to see him in the Tourney when it becomes more a zone game and he's force to shoot a tad more jumpers.
Give me 4 good John Calipari coached Point Guards????? or better yet give me 3 good John Calipari players in the league?
Tyreke Evans, Derrick Rose
but he did have
DeJuan Wagner, Antonio Burke, Willie Kemp, Darius Washington
so lets get off the Coach Cal has good PG thing...he has not.
Agreed, I don't know how effective a zone D would be...........
The whole argument is why John Wall should not be a number one pick...i havent been convinced at all...nobody has any facts or anything to say to back up John Wall being a number one pick!!!!!!!!!!
ALL YOU PEOPLE SPEAK ABOUT IS SPORTCENTER HYPE!!!!!!!!!!!! DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE!
Ok, but what does anyone else have to do with J.O.H.N. W.A.L.L.?
You're definitely just trying to start shit
I said s'hit
Wanna be convinced????????Huh?
How about watching a damn game If you have you wouldn't be this uneducated.
Mikenike...Hear me out.
I agree he has looked impressive BUT I want to see him again a team like Kansas, Syracuse or even Michigan State.
I think he looked very amazing but we have to take into account
Kemba Walker- 5-11, 2011 prospect
Larry Drew II- His 7th career start
I wanna see him against some experience
I don't think its too early..............
He has far surpassed the hype and will continue to. He is even clutch, very very very clutch,
Kansas vs Kentucky...who wins that game?
Yea QHaynes and who's Kansas point guard? A 5 11' guy who is a vet in college just like Walker... UK has played competition. And you know it's not just 1 on 1 match-up's...Every team collapses on Wall when he drives, hes the focal point of the offense. Yea, it won't hurt for him to play MORE good competition but to say he needs "better competition" makes you sound stupid... Who's Syracuse's point guard? Is he better than Kemba Walker? No. And State's point guard Lucas isn't as good as Walker, not in terms of NBA ability...So I don't see your point really at all
if John Wall beating up on
Favors is averaging 13points 8 rebounds and 2 blocks in 24 minutes a game!!!!!!! double figures every game......number one pick numbers! at 6'10 250!!!
My point is more experienced teams my man.
North Carolina lost 4 of it's 5 starters
UConn lost 3 of it's 5 starters
I wanna see him play against more Experienced teams. Teams who gelled for longer my man. That's all.
To answer your question, I do have an ESPN account, but this is the only forum I post on. But, I would like to meet a person who writes posts like I do :). They could know their stuff. This powerguard guy obviously is just going against logic with not only using precedent with regards to a player who very few people have seen the likes of in a draft that seems to not really have very many options when it comes to have a potential franchise player. When it comes to winning championships, it requires big men, but at the same time, it requires a team with chemistry and pretty much always a focal point. I mean, both eras of Detroit teams had bigs that could rebound, play defense and knock down the occasional shot, but the focal point was Dumars/Thomas and Hamilton/Billups respectively. Rodman and Ben Wallace grabbed the boards and brought the defensive intensity and they both had solid benches. Sensing a trend here powerguard? A championship team is not built on one player, and players who lead teams to championships in college do not necessarily translate to NBA rings. Yes, it has been done many a time, particularily in the time where big men dominated college basketball, but in the modern era, it is increasingly difficult to do. Derrick Rose made it to the championship, yet I have a feeling that John Wall doing the same would not impress this guy? Is he a Yellow Jacket fan or Derrick Favors cousin? Man, we all get that it is more difficult to lead a team to a championship as a 1 than a 5, but a championship 5 does not come along to often. Not in this draft at least, unless Donatas turns into Sabonis.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE! JOHN WALL IS NOT A NUNBER ONE PICK!!!!!!!!!! PERIOD A NUMBER 2...YES BUT NOT A NUMBER ONE PICK IS ALL IM SAYING
Kemba Walker is a lottery pick right now.(just wanted to throw that out there.) I think Walker is probably the most competition Wall will ever get at the college level right now, and he(Wall) went bananas.
Kemba Walker is a lottery pick right now
NOT IN THE 2010 DRAFT HE IS NOT
you're acting like john wall has had a chance at winning the national title and not done it. every big game so far he's been dominant. it's ridiculous to think he couldnt possibly be the number one pick. I agree teams should consider derrick favors- if he comes out. but that definitely doesn't mean a team shouldn't also take a look at wall. the guy looks as good as advertised so far
He has not impressed many people based on updated mocks.
players like Wes Johnson, Xavier Henry, Arnett Moultrie, Stanley Robinson and Jan Vessley have stepped it up.
Also, not alot of demand for PG's
What do mocks have to do with anything?
Your right about the demand, but I feel he is a lottery talent.
he has lotto potential. Will agree with you there
I don't see a team looking at adding a PG as a main need in this draft IMO