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Wall vs. Rose

Hes awesome but thats 2 games with 7 turnovers....I cant understand how people(even Dick Vitale) are saying hes ahead of Rose, maybe in terms of potential but Rose came into his freshman year with a lot more polish and pedigree at the PG spot...


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Great Question

Good post td but I disagree with you. Rose was NOT more polished as a PG. Maybe as a scorer, but if you remember it took a minute for Rose to get comfortable in the Memphis offense. Douglas-Roberts and Dorsey carried the load until after the first quarter of the season. Wall is better than Rose was at the same point, and this is coming from a guy who is more of a Rose fan, but I got to be fair and honest. Wall is simply phenominal, and it's almost time we start comparing his freshman season to Beasley and Durant's, not Rose as far as impact.

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I agree, I think wall has

I agree, I think wall has all the tools to be better than rose. I think Wall has a better J at the same point in their careers and their speed and quickness are very close. I think Rose is a little stronger and better at running the point. Wall struggles to make plays in the halfcourt. The real difference here is that Wall looks to me like more of a competitor than Rose, he looks more passionate and when its all said and done I think Wall will be a better player than Rose but he may never be a better PG.

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i agree except for the

i agree except for the compare his season to that of beasley and durant. wall has been very very good but beasley and durant were putting up damn near 30 points and double digit rebounds..walls season is more comparable to rose then those 2

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Yes

Very good question.

I'm going to assume you mean, 9 games into both of there careers, who is more developed and polished.

It's got to be Wall. I'm pretty sure everyone would agree Wall has a better jump shot. If you don't I can't take you seriously. Hell, Wall has a better jump shot than Rose does right now with The Bulls. Did you watch Chicago vs. Atlanta? Rose's shot looks shot to hell (pardon the pun). He does this like kinda shot-put technique and it looks horrible and always hits the front of the rim...but thats another point for another day.

I would say the biggest thing going for Wall in terms of him being further in his development would be 2 things. The players around him and his already tendency for clutch performances.

The Memphis team Derrick Rose joined was already an Elite Eight squad, now not to take anything away from Rose, but are we all forgetting CDR and Joey Dorsey? Those guys were beasts in college, Rose was playing with some All-American upper class-men. This isn't to say that Rose's Memphis squad had more talent than John Wall's Wildcats, but they were definitely more refined. The talent on UK, outside of Patterson is very young. You can see Wall is the undisputed leader of this team. He doesn't have the privilege that Rose does with having all upper-class-men around him. I think it's fairly easy to see that Wall is better than Rose at this point of there collegiate careers.

Yes he had 7 turnovers, but as I said in another topic...he had seven steals too! Just watch the kid, the only reason he turns the ball over so much is because he's too fast for his own good...Give me someone like that ANY day. It's not like he has bad court vision, he just needs to learn when and where to turn on the jets full throttle baby!

The only argument I see for Rose really would be explosiveness, but that has nothing to do with skill set, that guy from Minnesota is explosive and he probably doesn't even know a basketball is orange (bad joke). My point is, even if Wall isn't as explosive as Rose (and he could be, mind you, I think its debatable) he's definitely without a question explosive enough.

Wit this all in mind I'd say Wall is the more complete player right now. Neither have much range on their shots, but Wall bring alot more to the table in my opinion.

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as far as 9 games into the

as far as 9 games into the season yeah wall looks better. as far as jump shot right now no one can say he has a better one because we all know shooting in the nba is alot different then shootin gin college...against college guys versus nba guys( ask j.j reddick and steph curry)

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I won't discuss in this

I won't discuss in this topic i just want to say i am too shy to say one or other of these two STUDS will be better, it would be just crazy predictions...it really looks like John is phenomenal with his height and length,speed quickness and athleticism , ball handling and now he showing that he could become jump shooter and even shoot some 3s plus his playmaking looks WAAAY better than most of ppl thought, but in the other way Rose is just amazing and looks like they both have something like unlimited upsides so just time will show who is better

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only 2 things i have a

only 2 things i have a problem with with wall is turnovers and how slow his shot is. im sure both will be corrected one day. with the turnovers he just needs to slow down sometimes which he is starting to show he can do. whats good is his turnovers dont really come from bad passing they just come from him going to fast and not calming down which is a problem with most freshmen

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I have now send Wall play

I have now send Wall play outside of highlights but I have watched Rose play and if they do look similiar in atheleticism and speed. Wall is taller though so if both player wind up with the same skill set and what not, Wall would have the edge. Also Wall is supposedly not that bad of a defender and if he can get that going before he joins the NBA, that will be another thing that he has on Rose. Trust i do like Rose and I feel he has a polish and calmness that makes him a great leader and great point guard but Wall is really the truth and may be able to pass him but I still feel that soon Rose will pass Chris Paul but he has to play more aggresive.

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yeah wall is a very good

yeah wall is a very good defender from the 7 games ive seen. i dont see rose passing wall in certain aspects the main one being a passer and making others better. i think paul is far and away ahead of rose in that as well as far as being a scorer. rose will always be better physically( body) but i dont see him becoming a better shooter or passer. maybe a better defender because of his physical skills. i also dont think he will have the better pg iq

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yeah wall is a very good

yeah wall is a very good defender from the 7 games ive seen. i dont see rose passing wall in certain aspects the main one being a passer and making others better. i think paul is far and away ahead of rose in that as well as far as being a scorer. rose will always be better physically( body) but i dont see him becoming a better shooter or passer. maybe a better defender because of his physical skills. i also dont think he will have the better pg iq

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yeah wall is a very good

yeah wall is a very good defender from the 7 games ive seen. i dont see rose passing wall in certain aspects the main one being a passer and making others better. i think paul is far and away ahead of rose in that as well as far as being a scorer. rose will always be better physically( body) but i dont see him becoming a better shooter or passer. maybe a better defender because of his physical skills. i also dont think he will have the better pg iq

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wall is better than

wall is better than rose.turnovers are never good, but he's still learning, and i think having the shooting stroke he does, he'll end up being a shooting guard.

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im just not buying the

im just not buying the better then rose now since he hasnt played in the nba yet..dominating college guys is alot different then the nba. and walls shooting game isnt that great where he is a shooting guard. gotta watch more then just the past 2 games to know that. its still a work in progress and the release is slow

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I've watched all his games

I've watched all his games this year.and his release is not ray allen quick at this point, but he can improve that.

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I'm from chicago and I think

I'm from chicago and I think D Rose is super overrated. He is not agressive and is super passive. Wall on the other hand is very agressive and has super star written all over him. I would say that he is an even better athelete than Rose and will easily be a btter pro

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Do you read?

Better than Rose was...at this point in his NCAA career. What this means is, who was better in context of the situation. Who was better nine games into there college basketball career. It has nothing to do with Rose being in the NBA

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im guessing youre not

im guessing youre not talking to me why since i was responding to mata who said better then rose not betyter then rose was...if you were talking to me then you need to pay attention

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Well

I assumed he meant better than Rose was at Memphis through nine games because thats what the whole thread is about. And every point you've made about Derrick being better than Wall relates to Derrick being in the NBA so I figured you didn't realize what was going on...

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im sure he will as well as

im sure he will as well as the turnovers..everyone in college will probably improve what they lack but as of now those are the only things that i dont like about his game

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For the most part, I agree

For the most part, I agree with Why. The Explosiveness is soo similar it's stupid to even debate. John Wall has a way better jumper, it's not great but it's better. Wall has the mechanics,and can shoot off the dribble, Rose's jumper has a super-ugly hitch on his shot. He never goes straight up and down and it seems like he releases it on his way down, also even his freethrows get no arch because of the hitch up top. For me that's the only clearcut advantage I see for Wall, or either player at that.

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yeah ive learned on here

yeah ive learned on here reguardless of the topic you never assume because i assumed before and people have said" i said this so how could you think i ment that"

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