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John Wall the best college PG ever?

Thats what ESPN is claiming, it's on their rumors section.

So do you agree? Obviously not?


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Its fun for the fans to

Its fun for the fans to speculate but if ESPN really believes this then that's plain daffy

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wow that is wayyyyyyyyy

wow that is wayyyyyyyyy off..what the hell is espn smoking..are you sure thats what they said..wheres the link

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I was gonna take points away

I was gonna take points away but it doesnt seem like you believe that....In short NO, In long, he has the potential to be good but I dont see him being better then Rose, certainly as good but not much better and he would have to win the National Championship and even then IDK best of all time, you need to play more then 1 year to get that status....Thats like saying Kevin Durant is the best college player of all time, which is actually a more sensible argument because of his insane season, but obviously both are insane, Wall is elite though if he doesnt get hurt theres not way hes not going 1

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Also hes going to be aided

Also hes going to be aided alot by the fact he plays for Kentucky....if you remember, Rose didnt get that many nationally televised games his freshman year once November was over, added to the fact that it was such a stacked freshman class....Wall will get a bunch of SEC games to showcase himself on a National level....but yeah he is awesome

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What about Pistol Pete?

What about Pistol Pete?

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Pistol Pete 40 ppg on 40

my bad but I still say Jerry>Pistol

Jerry West

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Now see, Jerry West was a

Now see, Jerry West was a SG. Pistol was a PG.

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HAHA. He says no to PG for

HAHA. He says no to PG for Pistol and yes to West? He made it even worse.

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I'm not going to say that

I'm not going to say that John Wall doesnt have the talent to be the best college PG ever, or that his competiton is weak.

Because that would be hating, assuming that Wall=Magic=Isiah what is the difference, he hasnt won anything yet!

Tryna invent stars like Oscar said.

if ESPN and draft websites keep hyping everybody up then it will be hard for others to succeed.

Let them succeed before you call them successful. Its hard enough as it is.

I call foul.

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A Little Bit of History

I'm not into the John Wall debate, but I would like to make a comment about Jerry West, who was one of the greatest college players of all time. As good as West was, there was another player from the University of Cincinnati who played at the same time as Jerry West, but he was even better. That was "The Big O", Oscar Robertson.

I don't know much about John Wall, but I can't imagine any player being better than "The Big O". He was a walking triple double.

But focusing solely upon the PG position, the choice is a no brainer, it has to be Magic.

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my bad West played small

my bad West played small forward in college

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my bad West played small

my bad West played small forward in college and was a combo guard in the NBA,

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Yea. He leads the

Yea. He leads the Mountaineers for rebounding for a career. And, I think scoring too.

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Big O played forward in

Big O played forward in college too took the link down

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Too early for this topic?? I

Too early for this topic?? I think so....he would have to build on his stats, make Kentucky a Championship contender in the tourny (easy to say they are now, but wait until tourny time rolls around), and lower his turnover numbers. That's going to take the end of the season to see if he does these things. Even though he is looking like 1 of only 2 freshmen ready to take his game to the NBA (the other being Derrick Favors).

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It's gotta be Pistol Pete...

It's gotta be Pistol Pete...

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Dhamp2

Kenny Anderson......

Dhamp2...the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway

Lance Stephenson = Paul Harris
Jim Boehiem is the best college coach ever
Have you ever seen his wife Julie, WOW!!!!
Bring back God Shammgod and Austin Croshere of Providence
Where's Kenny Brunner???
Anyone remember Lee Mayberry!

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their has been some great

their has been some great points so i don't think so especially after only like four games but i do think wall will be a better pro than college player.

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He's not the Best PG

He's not the Best PG ever.

Also D-Hamp2

Brunner is in And 1 as "Bad Santa"

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Wall

Yeah right.... he's only going to be one and done anyways. You cannot compare someone who was only there for one year to a four year player. Pistol Pete is the best in my opinion.

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i dont think hes one of

i dont think hes one of 2..favors has been good but he hasnt shown hes ready to step in and do work int he nba right now. wall is the only freshman who looks like he can step into the nba right now( he wont dominate but he should be able to at least be average)..even if he wins a title he wouldnt be the best pg ever in one year

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Favors has shown that in the

Favors has shown that in the games I've watched. He could be a rotation player right now from what I've seen.

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i cant call it yet..hes

i cant call it yet..hes doing what hes doing again no future pros so its tough to really judge untill he plays against good big men

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Favors has played against
Favors has played against descent competition so far...nothing great. He went up against Chris Wright from Dayton who is a future pro.  He also went up against Alex Stephenson for USC who is a very solid college player.  December 20th Georgia Tech plays Florida St.  That will be a huge test for Favors...going up against Alabi & Singleton...yikes haha
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yeah against dayton he

yeah against dayton he finished with 10pts 6 reb and 3 fouls and alex went to work on him..didnt he finish with 18 or 20? although favors had 11 reb but 10 pts..he didnt do anything more against those 2 (who i dont think will even get drafted) then what other starting big men do..the test will come when acc starts against a team like unc,fsu,id even say duke since there bigs are talented..right now its been cup cake city for gt

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QHayes: WHAT! There's been a

QHayes: WHAT! There's been a Kenny Bruner sighting. Wow. That's major news to me.

Kenny Anderson......

Dhamp2...the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway

Lance Stephenson = Paul Harris
Jim Boehiem is the best college coach ever
Have you ever seen his wife Julie, WOW!!!!
Bring back God Shammgod and Austin Croshere of Providence
Kenny Brunner is on the AND 1 mix scene as Bad Santa
Anyone remember Lee Mayberry!

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lol..lance-paul

lol..lance-paul harris..harris has zero jumper and suspect handles come on now you are reaching. boehiem best college coach ever???..nope...and yeah lee was part of mayday...

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Gani Lawal defended

Gani Lawal defended Stephenson that game. Favors guarded the foreign player they had. Stephenson was literally the only person on their team they ran offense through, so he was going to get his. I think that Favors is very good and plays alot like a young Dwight Howard. I know I have given him alot of comparisons LOL, but this one is the one I'm sticking with. If you remember, Howard was about the same size and functioned as a catch and finish player like Favors has, and was the same type of rebounder. I think with time in the weight room and more polish, Favors can develop into a Dwight Howard type player. I really do.

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What up Hodges...Naw man,

What up Hodges...Naw man, Paul Harris had handles, trust me. And he's way more athletic than Stephenson.

Dhamp2...the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway

Why did the Timberwolves draft FOUR points guards, lol.
Wesley Johnson is a top 15 draft pick and the best transfer in America
Give Matt Barnes more mins.
Lance Stephenson = Paul Harris
Jim Boehiem is the best college coach ever
Have you ever seen his wife Julie, WOW!!!!
Bring back God Shammgod and Austin Croshere of Providence
Kenny Brunner is on the AND 1 mix scene as Bad Santa.
Anyone remember Lee Mayberry!

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nope nope no..no way and

nope nope no..no way and hell hes like dwight howard..favors could not play center in the nba. howard was putting up the same or better numbers then favors while a rookie int he nba. can you imagin what he would have put up as a freshman against the comp that favors has been going against?..and the usc game proves my point of waiting..he did just ok against some no named guy. i dont think he'd be a rotational guy right now against wayyyyyyyy more better big men then hes been playing against now. i have to see some one dominate inferior comp and then play at least well against better comp before comparing them to any good nba player

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Dwight Howard's Stats: 12

Dwight Howard's Stats: 12 ppg, 10 rebs, 1.7 blks

Derrick Favors Stats: 14 ppg, 8.4 rebs, 2.1 blks.

You don't think Favors is comparable to a young Dwight Howard at all? He's pretty much the same player or type of player as that from what I've seen at the same stage of development.

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ummm HELL NO..since howards

ummm HELL NO..since howards rookie stats were against nba players..while favors is against guys who probably wont be on the d leauge team...thats like me saying that john wall is better then chris paul as a rookie since hes putting up better stats then paul did as a nba rookie...come on iggy you have better basketball knowledge then this

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pretty accurate observation

pretty accurate observation on gt and favors by cnnsi

* Tough break for Georgia Tech losing Iman Shumpert for three weeks because of a knee injury. The Jackets were already suspect in the backcourt, so this will make it even harder for them to get the ball to Derrick Favors where he can score. Favors does not yet have a polished offensive game, so he really needs a point guard who can set him up properly.

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I didn't say he's better

I didn't say he's better than Dwight Howard, I said he plays like a young Dwight Howard. So that's actually nothing at all like saying John Wall is better than Chris Paul...Your acting like I said Favors plays like Howard does right now.

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John wall has potential

John wall has potential unlike any guard i seen but like iguodala9 said he need to calm down on his turnovers any yall must didnt see highlights or hear about jason kidd college he was sick and roy williams said john wall is the best point guard prospect since jason kidd.

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No point in arguing with

No point in arguing with Quincy about Favors. He gets mad if you say anything good about his game. LOL

I am not really sure about the comparison to Howard. Howard is a little bigger but Favors is more skilled at the same age and I think he has a LITTLE more potential than Howard did at the same stage which is scary. Favors is been pretty good so far but I can't wait to see what kind of numbers he puts up if he can stay out of foul trouble in the first half. He has picked up two fouls in the first half in every single game so far and sat on the bench because of it.

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how does favors play like

how does favors play like howard other than hes raw on offense?..he doesnt dunk nearly as much and he doesn't just overpower good players either..i can play like jordan if im playing against a couple of ymca guys. if he did those things against future pro big men that would be one thing. and dhamp paul had handles in hs. i watched alot of his games in college, his handles didnt seem to come with him when he got to college. and no i dont get mad ball4life im just not like most peiople up here who are ready to claim someone is so good when they haven't played against real good comp yet. its funny because the same people were quick to not believe someone like stuckey or curry was good when they played against low comp and kept saying" i have to see what he does against better comp" but when it comes to freshmen or players ya'll like the same rules dont apply!!! why is that?...paul george is the example this year. a couple of people talk about how he hasnt done anything against good comp but neither has favors yet ya'll are ready to compare him to nba superstars..does that make much sense?

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i start to get agree when

i start to get agree when people comparing stats with not even looking at minutes..do you imagine that Favors avg 24mon not 34 not 44 lol...he could definitely be around 20/10/3 with Durant's Wall's and other big time freshmen minutes avg

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whos fault is that that he

whos fault is that that he doesnt average the minutes?...his..he keeps getting in foul trouble early so he doesnt get the minutes..thats no different then saying if a player gets more shots or if the offense is run around them or if they are on another team...the fact is THEY ARE NOT so they have to work with what they have. minutes,shots etc. i dont live in the what if world i live in the reality world and the rest of us do to so you have to judge on the reality. thats no different then someone saying well if he got more minute then teams would find a way to stop them from scoring. we dont know what would happen IF this or that happened so the player has to be judged on what they are doing with the shots or minutes or touches that they do get

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lets also not forget that

lets also not forget that favors isn't the best player on his team..hes the best potentially but right now he isn't the best player(big man) on his team

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Wall is a special

Wall is a special player...He has brought excitement back to Kentucky..He's quickly separating himself from other college players as the number 1 pick...But to say he's the best ever is a little off base...He hasn't learn to run a team unless its on a fast break..He has to learn to run a half court setting...To control the game and make his teammates better..His point guard skills arent on par with guys like Derrick Rose or Chris Paul..Thats something he really must work on...Unless he adjust to becoming a better point guard b4 he goes pro......He's going to be an Iverson type..1 MAN SHOW

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hes actually a better pg

hes actually a better pg then i thought he was..he turns it over a bit much but hes better at getting in passing lanes then rose was on defense and hes shown he can get people the ball in places to score better then rose could at this point. i think his half court game isnt a good as roses was thogh which will come with time. if he does become a iverson type then thats very good since iverson is a future hall of famer. although he gets more assist then iverson or rose did as freshmen in college

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probably not.ty lawson

probably not.ty lawson imo.john wall projects as a combo guard.i think if he grows an inch or two he'll definitely project as a shooting guard in the league.

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yeah i doubt if he grows

yeah i doubt if he grows more...its possible but unlikely at 19

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I think that Jay Williams

I think that Jay Williams was the best college PG I'd ever seen...Idk about ever. It would take centuries to know who was the best ever, since I'm not the type to judge on people I've never seen play.

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jay will was a beast...wall

jay will was a beast...wall is playing better then j will did as a freshman but not as good as jwill played as a jr(did he stay for 3 or 2)

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You could make a pretty damn

You could make a pretty damn good case for Bobby Hurley. 2 National Championships and the all-time assist leader. Of course he didn't have half the potential of Wall, but that shouldn't come into the equation. It's about what you accomplish on the court and Hurley is right at the top.

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What about Magic?

What about Magic?

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