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Dude...Just stop. Thunder will never win a championship first off
I said they will win a title?
Oden was the wrong pick. That's better then saying he's a Bust.
who said low BBIQ?
And Q...How many good wings come out of the draft? It seems like every year a fantastic wing comes out...How many special centers come out? Maybe once every 3-5 years if your lucky?
Like I've said, KD would not mesh with the Blazers...AT ALL. He would make them a worse defensive team and would take shots away from Roy and Lamarcus. We already have good wings bro...Pryzbilla is a good center, but the guy can't score...
I'm posting 3-4 paragraph rebuttals and am getting the same stupid &$#%#&@! I already answered in my posts lol. READ and come back with an actually decent counter arguement
he should have averaged at least 13 rebounds per game
You give Durant 2 more All Americans to play with...we would have seen Texas in a Final 4.
The better way to say someone is Not a Bust is he was the wrong pick. I think Oden can be good, I just think Durant was the better pick. Sorry, JMO
Oden got his team to the ncaa tournament in dominate fashion with his left oden oden is right handed he had peole scared to go to the paint andhe ws was blocking with his off hand he isnt a bust in my eyes he just had a bad career to start he might never live up to the height but he isnt a bust i see him averaging at 18pts 13rpg when healthy he just had to much pressure and hype on him when he came to the league
Thanks Gatorheel haha, I'll be around for the next pick 'em thingy you create. I missed the last one I was disappointed hahaa
Wait a Min, weren't you the same person saying Roy can play PG a couple months back?
How can you say a team will never win a championship? Are y'all trying to say that Greg Oden isn't an underachiever. It's crazy, I never knew we had so many Greg Oden lovers on here. I mean, show me one thing that he's doing that about 10-15 centers aren't doing. Only thing he really was doing that was at an elite level was blocking shots. He's definitely not producing like the 1st pick should. I can't believe were really discussing that. I understand y'all want to see him succeed, I do too, but lets face it. He's hasn't produced like the 1st pick, he's always hurt, and he's not the ideal player you select 1st overall.
And sure Oden was pretty good in college, but Durant was and is much better. There will never be a doubt about it. But that's a different argument.
I don't understand what Oden has done that a bunch of PF's and C's do all the time. He's not supposed to have middle-of-the-road production. They picked him to be a franchise changer.
He's splitting time with Pryzbilla...Did you ever think of that? LIKE I'VE SAID A HUNDRED TIMES, if you give Oden 30-35 mpg he's averaging 15+ ppg, 11 rpg and 3-4 bpg while shooting 75-80% from the FT line. Is that middle of the road? And Oden dominates the game on both sides. Not many players in the league do that.
I saw Noah & Horford both play in person numerous times in college. They were both very good players & I knew they would be solid pros.
Did anybody watch that National Championship game? Oden was cleary more dominate than both Noah & Horford. Oden deserved to be the #1 pick. 95% of the scouts/public/media thought Oden should be the #1 pick. True dominate Centers like that are RARE
If Oden is a big key to the Blazers franchise in the future, and helps them get to the finals is he a bust? If he can stay healthy...He will not be a bust. Will he stay healthy? Hell, who knows...Plenty of big men get injured. Some come back from bad injuries, some don't.
Q-Oden was not the WRONG pick. Durant would not mesh with B-Roy. The Blazers are an average defensive team at best with Oden...Can you imagine how bad they would be with Durant defensively? Plus he'd be taking shots away. The Blazers need to play like the Celtics...Not like the Lakers.
Gatorhells 100% agree with u i watched that game oden was the only one producing and Horford and Noah couldnt do anything with him just based in that game alone he deserved to be the number 1 pick and like i keep saying he ws dominataing with his left hand and cast on the other oden look liek a future hall of famer but him gaining to much muscle and him being inury prone has hurt him but he still has a bright future in the nba but calling him a bust is very harsh.
durant averaged more points and rebounds than oden and durant even gave you 2 blocks a game so what did oden do so much better than him? why was he so worthy of the 1st pick is it cuz durant couldn't lift 185 cuz that was his only negative? him and roy could play together cuz durant doesnt do alot of dribbling he is a shooter and scorer the only player roy can play with are the ones that dribble a lot
and KD would not make a good fit man...KD does do a lot of dribbiling. He's not just a spot up shooter.
I told you Oden will still be good. I felt Durant was better. We say that now. We don't know what would have happened if Durant would have been a Blazer. All I'm saying is, Durant right now is putting up points at a very good rate. He can use a increase in his rebounding numbers. The Fact is:
Durant was a SG his rookie year, he never really need to bulk up because he probably ( I don't know 100%) lost some speed. In the conference with Kobe?Manu?McGrady? Not Smart. Last Year, he moved back to the SF position and he has to now deal with the Melo's of the West and he must bulk up.
I know Oden is 21. Durant's 21 as well my man. Your telling me Roy-Durant couldn't have worked? Nate McMillen would have made that work. Not like both have huge egos and couldn't coexist.
Right now....if you were taking one and you knew what you know now...who are you taking? You still didn't answer that
I'm taking Oden...Roy can't even play with Miller...He wouldn't be able to play with KD.
How many dominate centers are there? I'm still taking Oden. He's 21...Lets hope injuries don't plague his career. I mean come on, 2 season ending surgeries...That's just a fluke IMO.
Btw...Obviously KD is the better player, BUT Portland needs a dominate center...Not a wing.
Not so dominate now though is he? All that stuff he did in college is irrelevant now. Yes we all knew he played great in the title game, but I think y'all are trying to come up with excuses as to why he was picked over Durant. Lets just admit they were wrong in that decision, Durant was better and has been ever since they started playing meaningful competition. I don't understand why there is an argument as to wheTher Oden deserved to be the 1st pick over Durant, when Oden has never played better individually.
i agree with gregoden08 durant roy wouldnt mesh roy needs the ball inh is hand and so does durant puttung them together wouldve hurt the development of both of them. Oden was the right pick because they needed a center not another score they already have roy and aldridge
I have to say...I find it Funny how some people here say Oden can't be called a Bust
BUT SOME OF YOU CALL JOE ALEXANDER, JULIAN WRIGHT AND OTHER GUYS WHO HAVE NOT GOT THEIR CHANCE BUST PICKS!
I agree QHaynes20 some people should give them more time to devleop and stop calling them bust i think it takes at least 5 years for you can look at a draft class and call people bust.
If Greg Oden was playign up to his draft spot and hype, why would he be sharing time with Joel Pryzbilia?? Let's be honest here.....Joel Pryzbilia wouldn't take Bynum's minutes, or Dwight Howard's minutes. Oden was never that good in the NBA...face the facts dude
Joel Pryzbilla is a starting caliber center. And yes, he would take minutes away from Bynum...Oden fouled a lot... That was part of the problem. But that is correctable. You can't leave a starting center on the bench with a big contract can you?
Iguodala9 u act lict howard and bynum play the game with no help from the bench Gortat does help howard so u saying if Joel Pryzbilia was on the magic he woudknt come off the bench Joel isnt a great score but he's a solid defender and rebounder and if Gortat can help magic so can Pryzbilia
At this point it doesnt matter because he is out for the season. While Durant has 3 years of experience under his belt, Oden has about 1/2 a season. Like someone said earlier, they play different positions so it is hard to say who is better. Also, it doesnt matter who the right or wrong pick was. It was done and now it cant be reversed. Never ending debate.
The Blazers with a healthy Oden have a legit chance at a title eventually.
The Blazers with Durant would never win a title.
That is why Portland picked Oden.
2 season ending surgeries...That's just a fluke IMO
Isin't that what Portland Fans thought with Sam Bowie?
And his legs are hurting? Gonna effect his explosiveness.
Meanwhile, Durant will be winning some scoring titles. If that Core improves....watch out
I just never knew this many people thought like this about Greg Oden....like what has he done to get all this love??
Maybe cause he's a good person...Did that ever oocur to you? You sound like you want to root against the guy...Why? What has he done to make you hate him?
YES, Oden's career has been dissapointing so far...But come on...The guy is 21, and has had multiple injuries. He still has a bright future.
I'm done...Greg Oden isn't a bust. I'm sticking to it. Being injured doesn't make you a bust. I wasn't aware that 21 year olds could be a bust anyway. Whatever, Portland will continue to win games and hopefully the surgery goes well for Oden...And to let you guys know, this injury won't really affect his explosiveness if all goes well. Don't forget, Bynum has had two major knee injuries and he looks fine.
I'm done...I obviously can't change your guys minds...Keep hating on the 21 year old and keep calling him a bust...
Yeah miller and roy can play together and miller aint even a scorer so how would durant roy play together they might would make the playoffs but that duo would be similar to mayo and gay.
It is far too early and far to ridiculous to raise this question. This site is becoming ESPN x 100 for their need for immediate satisfaction due to boredom over their current situation. Here is why Greg Oden is not a bust.
1. He is 22 years old
2. His being injured has yet to derail his team from potentially competing for a championship, as they were at least a couple years from doing so.
3. Also to mention, and this does not just go with Blazer fans, 30 out of 30 teams take him number 1. Even Seattle/OKC takes Greg first. You see a potential franchise center, you take him first. No, he is not the consolation prize to Hakeem Olajuwon, he was the guy to take in that draft. Would 30 out of 30 teams would have taken Hakeem number 1. Would 30 out of 30 teams taken Sam Bowie number 2? Do not think so, because even at the time, that was crazy. So, this bust stuff, is just a bunch of trumped up garbage. If Kevin Durant is on Portland right now, do they contend for a title in a couple years? What, you guys are saying not without big men? I thought so, well, that answers my question. Also, no Joel Przybilla does not qualify as a quality starting C on a championship team. Amazing back-up, but you do not want him being your main C. Also, still have no back-up PF's, so, unless Pritchard would have actually pulled the trigger if Portland had Durant, than, do not see us solving that issue.
4. A lot of players come back from injury to have successful careers, and Greg was in the process of doing that. If you recall, Andrew Bynum has had injuries that have side shifted him to either missing the NBA Finals or playing like a wimp in them (see 2008 and 2009), yet still came back to be fine. Why does Andrew not have the pressure of Greg? Because he was not the first pick in the draft, was a guy who Kobe once wanted to trade for Jason Kidd and the Lakers have guys they depend on more than him, as well as having Pau who as soft as he may be, is not softer than LaMarcus Aldridge (not even close).
5. As soon as Greg comes back next year, he will be even better than before. He has had so little time to actually rest due to ridiculous expectations and pressure, hopefully this time he will have time to actually come back from the injury without stress. He works hard, is thankful for where he is at and he strives to be a great basketball player. Not to mention, that in every game I saw him in this year, he made the guy he was playing against look like a wimp. He can box out anyone, is a defensive terror and is developing into a premier force at center. Now, would you rather have a premier center on your team or premier scoring wing on a team with an amazing shooting guard, a number of great young wing guys and another wing who could eventually turn into a total terror of a match-up (Rudy Fernandez). Yes, Kevin Durant is fantastic. He has done a lot more than Greg so far. But honestly, I may be stubborn, but I still go with Greg. As much as it hurts and is awful that he is injured, I can not go against my instinct that he will do great things. Say whatever you want, make whatever hypothetical or ridiculous hypothetical (or in laymen terms "what-if") statement you may make, I still see Greg doing amazing things for the Blazers, things I can not even imagine Kevin Durant producing. Do people honestly see Durant and Roy as Jordan and Pippen? With the strength at big for the Lakers, and other better wing and guard players in this league as well as a number of other contending teams, I do not see it unless the Blazers managed to pull off magical trades, which, Blazers fans, as much as you want to say he has, if you look at it, Kevin Pritchard is not at all a magician of the deal. He got an amazing trade from Boston, and than showed his hand and had to do two strange trades to get players he wanted (Roy, Aldridge), which ended up working out. I think Greg's injury hurts even more because of all the other injuries, and hell, this is just not the Blazers year. But, to say Greg Oden is a bust, after three years in the league, on a young team who has a window of opportunity wide open, is just ridiculous. So, continue with your one sentence responses with no actual thought or evidence to the contrary, but I will just say, it sucks he got hurt, but I am looking forward to seeing he and Yao Ming back next year. Than we will maybe see some centers that can be ranked after Dwight Howard without having to look down the Empire State building for the next floor.
Stats don't tell the whole story. You have to realize how many shots Oden alters per game. His impact on defense is huge.
What does it matter if Durant is scoring 30 points a game but his team makes it nowhere when it counts?
Greg Oden scores inside, rebounds, blocks shots . Besides scoring what does durant do?
Individually, Durant is the better player. I can''t understand for the life of me why y'all are trying to figure out who's the better player between the two when everything is staring you right in the face.....
And no, Pryzbilia is NOT a starter caliber center in the NBA. At least, not if you want to win, ever. Once again, trying to make up stuff to help your argument. Silly, silly people...
Pryzbilla is a starting center. Did I ever say he was a starting center on a championship team? Nope...Learn to read genius. Pryzbilla is a fantastic back-up/solid starting center and has a big contract. You can't just leave him on the bench can you? Oden is still learning the ropes. He got in foul trouble. That's the main reason why Pryzbilla got big minutes.
Whoa, I can't believe some of you guys are saying Oden's a bust simply because Durant turned out to be a helluva player and was picked 1 pick later. Oden is a game changer on D and this was basically his sophmore season, playing along side 2 all-stars/or potential all-stars. Give the man a break.
QHaynes- I absolutely have said & will continue to say that Joe Alexander & Julian Wright are busts. I've been saying it forever now haha. Some people will say it is too early to say that & that is cool. Here is the difference between Oden & Alexander or Wright:
Oden is effective when he plays while Alexander & Wright pretty much do nothing.
He rebounds pretty well (7boards a game), and gets nearly 2 steals and a block a game.
In or order for the thunder to thrive and become playoff contenders durant needs to get more assists.
When did I say championship anything?! What are you talking about? Anyway, no Pryzibila is NOT a starter caliber center, lets not make up things to water down the fact that Oden has not played up to his draft spot and potential.
Horrible comparison...Oden to Joe Alexander...just wow...I was deciding if I needed to comment
Can we move on??? I mean this is like picking Kobe or Shaq. Who is/was better. Blah Blah Blah...
Shaq was better.
Dwight Howard and Andrew Bynum don't play less than half of a game due to shared minutes like Oden does due to a backup center like Pryzibilia. Gortat plays 15 mins to Howard's 32, and Mbenga plays 9 mins to Bynum's 35.
this my last post on this so igoudala9 if u had to pick two centers form the west who would u pick?
Andrew Bynum and Tim Duncan..