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Greg Oden = Bust?

Ok, So I was listening to the Dribble Drive today, and they were wondering if its time to mark off Greg Oden as a bust, since hes completely incapable of staying healthy

Me, personally i'd have to disagree, GO may not be able to stay healthy, but when he does...he produces at a high level, before his injury last night, he was averaging 11ppg, 8rpg, and was 2nd in the NBA in blocks per game with 2.3, in only 24 minutes a game

So, before I make this too long...what do you guys think?

Can Greg Oden be called a bust?


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Keeps getting hurt and I feel bad for him. He is no bust I'm sorry double double almost everynight with close to 3 blocks is not a bust. Bad luck? Yes

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Greg Oden can be called a

Greg Oden can be called a Bust.

The Portland Fans are mad because people bring it up but...

Passed on CP3 and Kevin Durant this decade....come on that organization is overrated

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There are very few...

There are very few instances where you should ever call a 22 year old NBA player a bust...The guys in his 2nd season technically. Yes injuries are a major concern...but it's not like the talent isn't there. Calling Greg Oden a bust is not only ignorant but it's plain stupid.

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no way is oden a bust. thats

no way is oden a bust. thats just insult to injury. nobody this season was calling him a bust until he blew up his knee last night. the game before last night he finished with 20 boards, 11 offensive. what kind of bust grabs 20 boards and leads the league in rebounds per 48 minutes. the only thing that can slow him down are injurys. so pleassseee no more bust talk at least until he rehabs and is able to play again

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Dude cant get a break, gotta

Dude cant get a break, gotta feel bad for him he seems like a really nice kid who does the right think and just wants to play...This has got to be really demoralizing for him

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No way oden is abust he

No way oden is abust he hasnt been healthy since his junior year in high school he hurt his wrist his senior year and re injured it at ohio st thats why he missed alot of games at ohio st then he hurt his knee and been having problems Is Grant Hill a bust because he been injured most of his career is penny hardaway a bust he look like the second coming of magic johnson until he hurt his knee. Sam bowie is a bust thats a bust he didnt do anything to help portland greg oden was coming until his own and proving he was worth the first pick.

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He's a bust. What has he

He's a bust. What has he does to prove otherwise? He hasn't stayed healthy and he hasn't produced like the 1st pick should despite being a 3rd option. What does he need to not do to be considered a bust?

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When the hell did they pass on CP3? Please, show me this...

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How is he consider a bust

How is he consider a bust its not like he got out there and missed dunks didnt grab rebounds and got no playing time he had a big role for portland. He cant help it that he is injury prone. Iguodala9 please tell me how he is a bust?

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yes

i do believe this is the second coming of sam bust bowie greg oden will not be an all star he will not live up to his excpation so i do believe greg will be a bust i really liked this kid back in ohio state sorry

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Even when sam bowie was

Even when sam bowie was healthy he did nothing to help portland i mean grag oden hasnt been healthy in a while Oden is only 21 wait to he like 25 to see if he is a bust it took jermain O;Neal 4 years to devloped when he ws drafted people were writing him off but he had a serious worth ethic i recall watching nate mcmillian and he says greg oden stay in the gym.

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I'm trying to figure out how

I'm trying to figure out how he's not a bust!! What has he done to prove he's not a bust? I stated why he was a bust in my last post...

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Being unfortunate does not equal being a bust...People throw around the word bust way way too much. I can promise you, if Portland is shaking there head about picking Oden over Durant it's not because of skill its because of reliability.

Now I'm not writing off Greg's injuries and brushing them under the rug, but that has absolutely zero correlation to skill and being a "bust"

Iguodola9 you ask to be explained how Oden isn't a bust. Look at his numbers, they do not lie.

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Injury Prone? Yes Productive

Injury Prone? Yes

Productive When Healthy? Yes

So, does his productivity get canceled out when he gets hurt?

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Thank you why and

Thank you why and magicknick. just because you are injured alot your bust that dont make no sense when greg oden ws healthy this season he was playing good yall act like he wont contributing at all he was playing well at all yall use the bust word to much do yall know what that word mean. Oguodala9 you are exoecting him to put up 20pts 20reb on a consistent basis but thats not his game his game is to get rebounds and lockdown the paint and before he got injured he was doing that.

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11 pts and 8 rebs are not

11 pts and 8 rebs are not the numbers expected of the 1st overall pick in a draft. The only thing that really stand out are his 2 blocks Plain and simple. And last year, he put up 8 pts and 7 boards with 1 block. Also, if you aren't playing in the majority of the games your supposed to play, then you haven't achieved anything near what you've supposed to. It's not like Oden has proven he's some All-Star player in the extremely limited amount of games he's played, it's all potential. He shows flashes, but there are a bunch of busts that show flashes and most of them can at least give you close to an entire season worth of games to show what they really are made of. He hasn't played an entire season yet, so how is he not a bust? What has he done or shown to make you say, "he's no bust"? All I've seen is flashes and decent production. You don't look for decent in the 1st pick, you look for a franchise-changer, and Oden has NOT changed their franchise.

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Greg Oden has not been

Greg Oden has not been healthy since he was like 17 so u saying this based on him being proably 75% healthy u did your reasearch he did average 11 and 8 but it takes a big man longer to develop thatn a guard key examples Jermaine O'Neal and chris kaman jermin O'neal didnt produce to like his 4th year in the league and had time to get doos and he put up amazing stats and chris kaman is coming into his in in the past years it takes big man longer to develop Greg Oden is only 21 igoudala9 u treating him like he is a 35 year old vet u cant write him off yet in due time he will produce

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So see you're not labeling him a bust.

You're not labeling him as a bust as much as, in the context of the players taken after him, you're labeling him not worthy of a number 1 overall pick...I don't think many people would disagree with you at this point...His injuries would make anyone in there right mind choose Durant, and maybe a couple others over Oden...But is he a productive NBA player? Yes. Therefore, in my mind, hes not too big of a bust.

But the more you type the more I think you know nothing about Oden except stat lines.
1st big men taken more time to develop, second last season was his 1st year in the NBA. If you watch Oden play, you see good things, you see someone with the ABILITY to dominate like few other centers in the NBA. His combination of size, length, athleticism and quickness make him relatively unparalleled in the NBA sans Dwight Howard.

I don't think I'm ever going to change your mind, because we have different perspectives on what a bust really is. But if you think Oden is/was a sub-par player this year, or even average, then you're delusional. He was turning his season into something special. Once again he hasn't even played 2 full seasons in the NBA! And in his 2nd season before he fracture his knee cap he was doing WORK.

I don't even want to try and prove you wrong, it seems to me you're the proverbial "hater" and won't give a dude credit where its due.

Another reason why I really believe Oden will rebound from this is his character. He's got a great heart and head on his shoulders. My uncle knows his high school coach and he said he's the most coachable player he'd ever had. I take this to mean something. Oden is a fighter and I really believe he'll prove you all wrong.

It's almost laughable to say hes a bust really...

What if, he has ONE dominant All-Star/MVP caliber season in like 3 years? At that point he'll still only be 24 or 25. Then will you be calling him a bust when hes only 25 and he's got an All-Star appearance? No.

When you follow guys from high school, to college, then to the NBA...A couple years seems like eternity. Considering this is a draft site im sure we've all be following Oden since he was like 17...What if in your job you were 23 and they told you you're a bust and will NEVER succeed. Not that you have a slim chance, but everyone is telling you you're done and worthless. You'd look at them like their crazy...

Oden is not done.

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why u 1005 correct i think

why u 100% correct i think oden is very productive but i think iguodala9 means he isnt worthy of a number 1 pick if thats the case was Bogut worth the number 1 pick over chris paul,deron willimas, danny granger. Like oden Bogut is very productive

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Before I forget...A bust in my opinion is someone like Stromile Swift (duh)

Being a bust goes beyond looking at a stat line for someone and saying man I expected more! Watch Oden play, he's learning hes trying he's a student of the game. He cares (one of the best things going for him)

Now, watch Stromile Swift play. There is no difference between his 1st game played and last. The guy was missing that thing in between your ears (a brain). He never learned one thing in the NBA and look where he is now.

I can't stress enough the importance of will power, passion and desire. Oden has these qualities.

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Yea Odn has passion

Yea Odn has passion everytime he get injured he come back strong and help portland win by doing the little things. Stromile seift is a bust also he had all the potential and never worked on his game and he wasnt injury prone he just liked basketball rather than love because if he loved it he wouldve been a great player and worked on his game all the time.

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I understand what your saying, but lets not write him off yet. The stats are deceiving. If he played 30-35 mpg he'd be averaging 15 ppg 11 rpg and 3-4 bpg...Yes, he's partly a bust, BUT...is it his fault all these injuries have occured? I mean come on...give the guy a break. Who the hell would predict all of these terrible injuries would happen? NOBODY! I am not writing Oden off...He still has a bright, bright future ahead. He will never be as good as KD, but that doesn't neccessarily make you a bust does it? If that's the case, I guess Hakeem is a bust to right?

If Oden can stay healthy...He IS an all-star caliber big man...However, I have no evidence so far that would convince me to believe that Oden will ever stay healthy. I am optimistic though.

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I mean, Bogut has produced

I mean, Bogut has produced at a higher level than Oden has. And he produced at a higher level at the same stage of development. So that's not a good example.

Also, like gregoden08 just said, there is no evidence to say he'll stay healthy. When is the last time he didn't sustain an injury? Sure he has potential, but until he shows that he's an NBA 1st overall pick, he's going to be rightfully labeled an underachiever or bust. I just call it like I see it.

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I disagree

Oden IMO, is already better than Bogut. Like I said, you give him 30-35 mpg he's averaging 15 ppg 10+ rpg easily and 3-4 bpg while shooting 75-80% from the FT stripe. You look at his stats, 12, 9 rpg and 2.5 bpg...But he does so many little things and he doesn't demand the ball like other bigs...Plus, he has a good team who take away plenty of shots away from him.

You kind of sound like a hater man...I mean, is it his fault his knee collapses when he jumps in mid air?

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Can Someone help me out

Can Someone help me out here?

Oden has missed 2 of 3 seasons so far

Kevin Durant has 3 20ppg season potentially under his belt

Picking Oden was not a Bust Pick how?

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That's the whole point dude. He missed 2 of 3 seasons. That isn't his fault. That doesn't make him a bust. Those are freak accidents that happend...I've watched every Blazer game this year and Oden has played terrific. The stats are solid, but if you give him big minutes he will produce and that is a fact.

KD is better than Oden...I'm not denying that, but come on...KD is a high volume scorer and is a pathetic excuse for a defender...Some people already say this guy is a superstar, but he isn't...Their not making the playoffs btw...

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Let me ask PORTLAND FANS A

Let me ask PORTLAND FANS A QUESTION

2007 Draft Night is tonight: With all you know now: Who's the number 1 pick in this draft

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How is it a bad example when

How is it a bad example when they both average around the same their first two years bogut produces more but he also been in the league two years long u might as well say three years becaue oden didnt play his first rookie year man oden is still a very young player i think he has at least 4 more years until you call him a bust but he still will only be 25 then

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Here's an idea, maybe read all the posts as I've responded to that question before it was even asked.

Hindsight is 20/20

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not a bust but the

not a bust but the expectations were too high on him he is a role player that will never produce like a number 1 pick because they are considered to be superstars or busts. very injury prone tho and will never have great numbers

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Never will have great numbers? Really? He's 21 bro...His per 40 is downright scary...He might never average 20 ppg, but he will come close and everyone knows that he can block and rebound witht he best of them...And if I recall, that is what they drafted him for...Yes?

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U cant compare oden to

U cant compare oden to durant because they play two different positions and u can come in the league and dominate the center poisition in the past 15 years was shaq dwight howard is dominating now but he didnt take off until his second yaera he average a double double as a rookie but he struggled. asd much as people say they shouldve drafted kevin durant over oden would durant and roy coexist would roy give up his superhero role to play sidekick i dont think so.

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Hindsight is 20/20

Hindsight is 20/20 correct

But Correct me if im Wrong...Who looked better in College?

Sorry, Not Buying it. Durant was better in College then Oden. Durant has more skills. Because he was 180 pounds soaking wet..ppl thought he was gonna be a bust. Now, he's a top 15 player while Oden getting some more surgery.

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Lol. GregOden08.... He was

Lol. GregOden08....

He was the wrong pick. If he's not a bust then he was the WRONG pick.

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Dude...Just stop. Thunder will never win a championship first off. Secondly, Portland still has a bright future with Oden, without Oden or Oden being injured and only playing sometimes.

How was he the wrong pick? How many TRUE low post centers are there with his athleticim/size? Not many...Maybe 2-3? Durant would not mesh with Roy...Also, he makes them an ever worse defensive team and he would make Lamarcus almost nonexistent because Roy and KD would take up all of the shots...Portland had plenty of terrific wings. When jumpers aren't going in, sometimes you just have to pound it in and Joel Pryzbilla simply can't do that and Lamarcus is more of a jump shooter//high post kind of guy though he does have excellent post moves.

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Does anybody see Oklahma

Does anybody see Oklahma City & Kevin Durant ever winning a title?  Because I sure as hell don't!  Stop saying Oden is bust simply because Portland drafted him over Durant.  When healthy Oden is effective. He is a game changer on the defensive end.  

It is easy to say Portland should've picked Durant now that Oden is hurt.  That is just a cheap shot.  

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If i could remember Durant

If i could remember Durant put up the better numbers but in college oden played with a cast on and shot free throws left handed and dominated with his off hand and got ohio state to the nccaa championship. Im a big durant fan but he struggled in the ncaa tournament when his team was riding him the most while oden thrive under pressure and team went to the championship game and oden scored his season high that game but they still lost but he showed the hard of a warrior

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QHaynes- cmon now.  Oden
QHaynes- cmon now.  Oden was unbelievable in college.  
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I do not see Portland and

I do not see Portland and Oden winning a title either. Sorry my man. There's no window where I see them winning.

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I won't get into an Oden/Durant debate, cause I'll come off like I'm not a huge fan of Durant, when I am.

Right now though KD's defense is suspect at best, and while he has skills to improve in this area I don't see him ever being an elite defender or really close even. Oden is a top, TOP notch defensive player in the NBA, and this is getting overlooked why?

I really don't think they could have gone wrong with either, but based on the way Roy's numbers have dropped with Oden on offense (and you people are saying his offense is lacking) and the way Roy has handled Oden, I highly doubt him and KD could co-exist with one ball. Roy needs the ball in his hands to make things happen.

Also, with big men, 7 footers, thats how you win Championships. Rings baby, it's about rings. And filling the seats, but Oden has the potential to do that too...As much as it hurts me to say it...Durant's position might be one you need the least in terms of getting a title. A scoring swingman with decent vision? It's not like he's LeBron or Wade or Kobe who also goes out and dishes 5+ assists.

But Durant does have a killer instinct and is very, very good. He will be very special.

Fact is though big men and defense gets you to the ship. Oden is both of those things and he's top notch in both of those categories.

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Oden was good but he had a

Oden was good but he had a good PG with him and a great shooter with him.

Durant was amazing in college PLUS all he had around him was a ( at the time) decent PG in Augustine.

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Gatorheels tried to tell

Gatorheels tried to tell these fools something casue i know u watched oden in college like i did and saw him dominate with his off hand and cast on his right one and his team went to the ncaa championship.

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we cant go by per 40 mins he

we cant go by per 40 mins he cant play long cuz his bball iq is low and he hacks a lot thats why he will never have great numbers why do people think he will dominate the league when he couldnt dominate college

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Low bball iq?

Just stop...You don't even know what your talking about...Oden doesn't "hack" genius. Yes, he makes stupid fouls. But plenty of the fouls are not his fault. The refs were still not used to him and the Blazers perimeter defense let guards penetrate at will...Oden did dominate in college...Dude, just because you don't average 30 ppg doesn't mean you didn't dominate...

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Lol

All he had was Augustin? AJ Abrams, Damion James...Texas was a damn good team.

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even kevin durant averaged

even kevin durant averaged 20 and 10 in college

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Oden played well but what I

Oden played well but what I saw from Durant was amazing.

Oden was the 1st option on his team
Durant was the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th option on that team

OSU could win with Oden having a sub-par game. Texas could not score if Durant was off.

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I agree durant is a phenomal

I agree durant is a phenomal player and will be league mvp and lead the league in scoring someday maybe this year but saying they shouldve draftead him over oden is something i cant agree with because i dont see him and roy playing together because they both need the balls in their hands.

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I agree durant is a phenomal

I agree durant is a phenomal player and will be league mvp and lead the league in scoring someday maybe this year but saying they shouldve draftead him over oden is something i cant agree with because i dont see him and roy playing together because they both need the balls in their hands.

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I agree durant is a phenomal

I agree durant is a phenomal player and will be league mvp and lead the league in scoring someday maybe this year but saying they shouldve drafted him over oden is something i cant agree with because i dont see him and roy playing together because they both need the balls in their hands.

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