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What does above average player mean?

People always say a player is above agerage at their opinion, but when you think of how talented the NBA is, some players that are very good are really only average at their position...For example, I think Russell Westbrook is an awesome player, but he really is only an average PG at this point in his career...here are my rankings of every starting PG in the NBA

Elite
1. Chris Paul
2. Steve Nash
3. Deron Williams

Very Good
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Jason Kidd
6. Tony Parker
7. Derrick Rose
Above Average
8. Chauncey Billips
9. Devin Harris
10 Brandon Jennings
11. Monta Ellis
12. Gilbert Arenas
13. Mo Williams
14. Jameer Nelson
15. Russell Westbrook
Below Average
16. Baron Davis
17. Aaron Brooks
18. Jose Calderon
19. Mike Bibby
20. Andre Miller
21. Mario Chalmers
22. Raymond Felton
23. Rodney Stuckey
Bottom Dwellers
24. Beno Udrich
25. Derrick Fisher
26. TJ Ford
27. Mike Conley
28. Lou Wiliams
29. Johnny Flynn
30. Chris Duhon


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average can stop some

average can stop some players, can score against some players

NBA is built on skill height and weight mismatches, when an old player loses explosiveness they have to rely on there IQ
more

height and weight factor into mismatches but IQ is vastly underrated

and as a side note
some players get better with time (Kobe, Nash, Kidd) others dont (Kwame Brown)

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thats interesting....Would u

thats interesting....Would u say Kobe is better now then 5 years ago...I would say he is but never thought of it like that

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I think your concept of a

I think your concept of a bottom dweller is way off, they may be on the bottom teir of staters in the league, but if T.J Ford, Jonny Flynn and Beno Udrich are bottom dwellers then what are your 2nd and 3rd string point guards? I think your "bottom dwellers" are average, because if T.J. Ford is one of the worst point guards in the NBA then his backup Earl Watson ( who I consider average or slightly below) shouldn't even be in the league.

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Re: td8118

You can hurt your team by taking shots that u have no business taking,
kobe got a post game now and is more efficient than last year when they won a championship

but he is the most reliable knockdown 3 shooter in the league right now,

the double teams that Gasol generates helped him, but Kobe is an enigma, if the need arises he will take bad shots
(looking like he's lost his mind) and then make them

he's always working on his game and the key word here is "evolving"

just like Jordan's game evolved and culminated against Byron Russell,
Jordan's game was savvy defense 2 ruthless offense
savvy defense (strip Malone), ruthless offense (walk it up, push off and knock down an on balance jumpshot)

Jordan came back and without his athleticism dropped 51 points his mind was there but his body wasnt (41% from the field on the season?)

Jordan came back and was worse athletically but at the same time from a student of the games perspective u can see that his game hadnt stopped evolving

it'll be interesting to see how far Kobe can take his teammates along with him and make other people's game change (Artest game should become more efficient if it hasnt already I havent watched a single Laker game this year :(

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beno is no bottom dwelller

beno is no bottom dwelller watch the games and check the game logs
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=2448 (54 fg%) and (43%fg from 3)

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it was just of starting

it was just of starting PGs....you guys are proving my point that even good players (Udrich) would have to be considered below average PGs in the NBA because of how talented the PG position is in the NBA..

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above average

clearly means exactly what it says: the player is a littile better than the average player at his position. ex. if Lou Williams is considered an average starter then Mike Bibby is an above average starting PG. comprende?

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also

you can be an above average bench player such as Shannon Brown is an average bench player but D.J. Augistine is an above average bench player.

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NO to rajon rondo being

NO to rajon rondo being above average

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hah yeah hes not above

hah yeah hes not above average....hes one of the best PGs in the league i feel like thats not even debatable anymore

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We are not proving your

We are not proving your point what so ever! You could say that with every position in the NBA! if you ranked all the starting centers you would come up with the same conclusion and the center position is not particularly strong right now! Your point is a mis worded list of starting point guards that you ranked! damn, I don't particularly go after people, but this post is just frustrating.

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CONFUSION td8118 AVERAGE is

CONFUSION

td8118 AVERAGE is the context used to describe a PG historically AND contemporarily,
average meaning nothing stands out in a historical context

your Bottom dwellers list is actually pretty average to most people in terms of we've seen this type of player before at some point in time,

average= run a team and please the coach; but cant defend too well = nba standard PG; just my personal opinion

but everyone above that gets more hype
bring something new to the position, court vision, strength, etc defense (rondo) offense (nash)

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Stats

Just because a player puts up good stats doesn't mean he is that good of a player. Mike James averaged 20 ppg 4 or 5 years ago, but nobody would say he would be an average NBA pg.
This is the same thing with Monta Ellis or Gilbert Arenas. Ellis is fast and can score, but almost all his assists comes from a drive and dish, and he wouldn't be a big scorer and definitely not a starting pg on a good playoff team. Gilbert Arenas puts up stats, but he doesn't make his team better. Look at how bad the Wizards have done this season. They play better when he is out sometimes. they need a true pg. Neither are even that close to average pgs.

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1st..the nba isnt built on

1st..the nba isnt built on height and weight match ups as much as you think it is. its mostly skill though. a bove average player to me would be something liek a 3rd or fourth option.. after that id say a couple levels of star and then super star

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..the nba

..the nba IS built on height and weight match ups = size doesnt matter as much as skill

shaq is not the most skilled shooter, paul pierce has 1 ring who has more "skills"?

tim duncan is a 7 footer who got drafted and played in twin towers= 4 rings
garnett=7 foot PF
dwight howard 275 this year, and he is not the most "skilled" shooter per se

in the past U needed a big man to win, ask Dwyane Wade and Chris Paul

and Gasol and Kobe ask them too and ask Bynum and Mbenga

size matters, bcuz it is not as "common" as skilled wing players

and if size doesnt matter then why did Paul Pierce not win until Garnett

and Gasol not win until Rashard Lewis was guarding him

Most of the time size matters because there is not enough skill like the NYK in 1970s to fill all 5 spots
with unselfish players

that is why every team needs role players

SIZE MATTERS

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