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plus i dont like going by what other sites or people say i go more on what ive seen. alot of people heard henson was killing as a sf in preseason and thought he was gonna do all of that when the season started. season started and he doesn't play much and when he does hes comming in mostly at the pf spot
and whats the comparision with odom and henson?..odom as a freshman started,handled the ball alot, went coast to coast hit threes and was the number one option on his team. he would do all that on this unc team . maybe be number 2 at worst. how is any of what henson has done comparable to odom?
The comparison I just read for Sidney was Derrick Caracter and Antoine Walker....I'll give you list of these comparisons that have been made by people hthat have obviously watched him more than you and me both on DraftExpress.com:
"he needs to focus on becoming a tougher and more serious player. With his tools, he could become a very good player both in college and at the NBA level, but a greater degree of focus is needed from him. As one scout put it "with a lot of the bigs in the 09 class, you are reminded of Eddy Curry one too many times." There's someone who agrees. I'm telling you, don't expect Sidney to be a good defender in college or the NBA.
"His game reminds of Antoine Walker in the later stages of his career, and you really have to wonder if whatever production he can manage to scrounge together at the college level is worth it considering the baggage involved.
"Defensively, Sidney showed very little focus and effort, tending to pick up fouls rather than guarding the post. The big man also showed a poor understanding of how to guard the pick and roll. On the glass, he didn't box out or use his extra bulk at all, and showed very little fight at all, being outworked multiple times by the international bigs. "
"He played zero defense, was not anywhere near as much of a factor on the glass as you might think relative to his outstanding hands and instincts, and showed questionable shot-selection and conditioning. "
" He shot a lot of turnaround jumpers in the lone game we saw him, played absolutely zero defense and generally did his best Antoine Walker/Derrick Caracter impression. "
"Looking at the way he executes plays, it doesn’t really look like he wants to be out there for the most part, and you’ll see that with the non-existent effort he puts in regarding everything else besides his scoring. Defensively would be the main one, not even attempting to put a body on his man half the time. His conditioning is pretty poor as well, leading him to call his own substitutions whenever he pleases from what we saw from the bench, entering and exiting the game virtually whenever he pleases. "
"However, he doesn't care too much for defense or at least he didn't seem to in this game. In all fairness, lazy defending seemed to be a common trait today as many players were trying to establish themselves on the offensive end more than hustling to get back on defense. "
Those are all the sources on that one websites about his D and rebounding.
The comparison is based on how he plays. Henson hasn't done what Marvin Williams or Austin Daye has done either, so I really don't get those comparisons you made to them either if you wanna be honest. Especially when consider that they don't play anything alike at all. He has all the tools to develop into a Lamar Odom type player, there's a reason he was touted so highly coming into college. If you've seen him play you would see that he has alot of skills that he has that are rarely seen with guys his size. Odom has those same skills, albeit much more polished, but Henson has the potential to develop into a Lamar Odom type player.
didn;t me and you just agree on how you cant say how good or bad a person's defense is by what they did in hs?..and arent what the websites wrote from highschool? ive seen henson play...my ex's son goes to sicle which is where henson went to hs. he was a pf ..rarely brough the ball full court liek odom did in hs. stayed on the block. henson in my opinion doesn't have the abilities odom had in hs. people are hoping he can become a sf. and yeah henson hasnt done what daye or williams has done but hes alot closer to them then odom. saying henson is close to odom is setting the bar wayyyy to high. a person has to get to lower level players or show they can be as good as lower level players before we can compare them to higher level players. people (sites are to blame a lil) always want to compare a unproven young kid to a very good nba player. how often do they ever come to being as good? rare. more times then not they end up like the lower level nba player. especially those who dodnt even make much of a deference in college
You're making it like Lamar Odom is just the sh!t that can't be flushed! That's not out of reach for him at all for him to accomplish what Odom has. Have you seen him play before? Ever? You seriously are making it like he will never be good or develop into a player that can fill a stat sheet and is not quite an All-Star, which is what Odom does. If you don't see that he can develop into that, maybe you should look harder. He'll break out next year probably but he's a big talent.
Who didn't play PF or C in HS that's 6'10??? That doesn't mean he's not going to be a SF in the future, especially when you consider he played PG/SG before he had a monster growth spurt. He's played PF on offense and defended a backcourt or wing player every single game I've watched this year..
Hensons nothing at all like Austin Daye or Marvin Williams. I simply don't see that comparison at all, if you have watched him play this year you would see that too. Both of them are shooters, Henson is not a shooter at all.
And no, I didn't agree that you can't throw all the stuff in HS out the window, especially when it has proven to be true, by EVERYONE that's seen him play, numerous times, except you. He will never be confused for a good defender, and possibly won't be a good rebounder. Unless he's done a 360 as far as his skills are concerned since the summer. Which I highly doubt.
im not saying odom is the &$#%#&@! but hes better then daye and williams and williams and daye are better then henson so does it really make sense to compare a player who isnt even as good as those 2 to someone who is better then those 2? and what do you take more seriously?..what someone does in highschool or what they do in college? ive watched henson play in college and hs and he has done nothing that is like how odom did or does now
actually i agree that Sidney isn't defensive player BUT his size let him get rebounds and blocks and that is not ZERO there is Beasley, Antawn, Amare who's not perfect defenders but big time players in this league, offcourse there is Odom, Randolph and Henson could be another one, but as while those two has same huge potential and Sidney is way closer to that level NOW IMO i would take him easily
and theres a difference between playing pf and c in hs and playing that but also playing other positions.. odom played pf but he also played small foward and took the ball cost to coast and started the offense. henson didn't. even randolph did that...i mean youre more then welcome to just go by what websites say instead of waiting to see with youre own eyes but thats just not me. especially since these same websites say this or that guy is comparable to this or that nba star but they never end up being nearly as good more times then not. also melo was talked about how bad his defense was in in college and hs but hes become a good one now right?..you talk like no one can get better at defense after hs?..what sense does it make to say henson can get better at sf but sydney is as far as hes gonna go on defense? and how you figure he wont be a good rebounder?..he was actually a better rebounder in hs then henson (since you take hs in account) as well as a better shooter and scorer
and although none of us can predict the future i think sydney wont be comming off then bench and putting up better numbers while looking more ready then henson does. like i said before it makes alot more sense to compare some one to a lower level player when they haven't even proven anything yet then to a higher level player
I still think we should be waiting. I do not see Syndey coming up and breaking out that fast.
Plus, What draft would he be a top 5 pick? Not this one. I do not see it.
i just checked out what the websites think of him since you keep bring up websites
John Henson, North Carolina – Roy Williams continues to nab the nation's best big men in recruiting. Henson looks very familiar to the Golden State Warriors' Brandon Wright with a slight frame that doesn't even top the 200 lb. mark. Like the aforementioned Favors he has the versatility to play either forward spot but is best off at the four spot. There are many who expect Henson to be a part of the 2011 draft class since the Tar Heels are so loaded inside this year. Despite their depth inside though Henson will find time as he's too talented to leave off the floor. He and Davis will make it extremely tough for teams inside as they're both tough on the glass and take pride in defending the rim. If Henson decides to enter the 2010 draft there's no way he'll fall outside the lottery.
F John Henson (Round Rock, TX; Franchize All-Stars; Rivals #5)
Coming in at 6-10, 200 pounds (I think the weight may be a tad inflated) the North Carolina commit has the athletic ability to make his mark on a game. Possessing extremely long arms, Henson can get across the lane on defense to either block or alter opposing teams’ shots. His back to the basket game is decent for a player of his build, something that will only improve as his body matures and fills out.
John also does a good job of attacking the offensive glass, but he needs to be more assertive in regards to defensive rebounding. Combined with the Wear twins and whichever experienced bigs remain in Chapel Hill, head coach Roy Williams won’t be lacking interior options in 2009.
yeah he has the potential to be a sf but at this point he is a pf. so i cant compare him to odom yet since he isnt a sf. odom was already considered a combo foward at this point in his career. once henson starts showing me he can play sf other then in practice and do very well at it then i will compare him to who ever he seems to play like
like you just said qhaynes we will have to wait and see.. no one is solid at being a certain pick now and prob wont be after the season. that changes almost daily once draft time rolls around plus it depends on where someone is drafting. my opinion is sydney will be a higher pick then henson if they both come out and i think he will be a better player. just my opinion
We will see my man.
QH what is your take on Manny Harris and Elliot Williams? I feel both can be 2010 1st round picks.
Also can this comparison be fair? Lance Stephenson- Micheal Finley
i like both of them...alot. i think both will drop because of there size but they will make people kick there self for doing that. those guys are players and i like players. was very happy when i found out elliot was transferring from duke since i dont like duke and he would have gave maryland problems. hopefully elliot wait at least one more year before coming out
You just are looking for all the reasons to say that Sidney isn't a good defender. It has been stated over and over, endless amount of times. And you still won't except it. I don't understand why you just won't admit it, since it's obviously true. I gave you plenty of proof and you still won't admit it. I just give up on that. I'm sorry man.
Henson hasn't brought the ball up the floor yet, but he has the ability too. UNC relies on a PG to bring the ball up the court, LSU has who at PG wtih Randolph? WHo was the point guard with Odom at Rhode Island? UNC may not have the best PG's but they are good enough to where they don't have to have a frontcourt player bringing the ball up. I mean, when is the last time someone other than the PG at UNC set up the offense? But I've seen Henson go court to coast before, yes it was in a HS all-star event, but I don't see why he couldn't in college if need be. That's one apart of his skill-set that makes him similar to Odom. He'll show it sooner or later too. If you don't think he can and will, you need to wake up.
I don't see Renardo Sidney being a good defender. If he is, you can rub it in my face and make posts about it everyday like you do when you think your right about everything else and I won't say anything about it..
John Diebler, Tweety Carter and Rotnei Clark scored more than Henson did in HS too, but are they better prospects? No. Dallas Lauderdale and Jeremy Price at UGA rebounded more than him, does that mean there better prospects too? No. HS stats don't mean much when in college, but the upside and talent they show determine how well a player projects for college and beyond. And Henson obviously projects for the NBA better than those I named above.
so if it was stated over and over back when he was in hs then that means henson wont be more then just a power foward since that was stated most of the time when he was in highschool right?..cuz you cant just pick and chose what translates to college and what doesnt if you are gonna go by what someone did in hs
and i dont know what those other guys did in hs but sydney is better then all of those guys as well as henson and in my opinion will be a better pro. the thing about sydney is scouts say and from watching him, is that he has the tools to do things right now. henson right now is just potential and a maybe. he could go one way or he could go another. alot of people never end up being close to as good as what people potentially think they could be. all potential is is a maybe
Your right, I, meaning ME, can't pick and choose, but when he gets to college some things just don't translate. They pick and choose for themselves per say. It's happening to Henson right now. He functioned as someone who played the low post in HS. That's not going to translate inn college ball, considering his size and stength, or lack thereof. The same way someone scoring 50 ppg in HS won't translate to college. Or just being taller than the HS competition a player faces and blocking a bunch of shots doesn't translate. You have to be an extremely special player for those things to translate without making any adjustments to your game.With that said, Henson's production in HS hasn't translated to college ball much at all, but that doesn't mean that it won't eventually. Especially when you consider the only things that don't have a chance to translate to college from his HS career is the fact that he played the low post in HS ball.
i agree. im not saying henson wont end up being very good but as everyone on this site knows im more of a show me first before i commit to saying how good a player will be. sydney is the exception because ive watched him play during the summer and was very very impressed. so far im not very impressed with henson as a sf now or back in hs. as far as pf i think his potential could be very very high if he gets stronger. like a face up pf. just like randolph. theres more of a mismatch for a player that size that has some handles and cant hit a midrange at the pf then it is at the sf where they wont be as fast as some and wont be able to handle as well as others. sorta liek how beasley produces more as a pf then he does as a sf
henson has to put on weight, renardo has to lose some
I can agree with that. I think he'll function like Anthony Randolph and be a face-up PF. I guess that's similar to a SF, but he'll probably project as a PF with face-up skills like Randolph.
In terms of upside/potential John Hensen is the #1 prospects in this draft. Wall and Favors are more NBA ready right now but Hensen has the most upside. I see Hensen is more of a face up Power Forward in that Anthony Randolph mold as well.
Sidney has talent is not a great defender but the talent is there. He reminds me of a taller Zach Randolph.
Favors is a great high energy big man in that Josh Smith Mold.
Wall is an amazing athlete. His upside is great as well. I see him as a Derrick Rose type on the next level.
pretty much any player that is tall and has a lil bit of handles is going to have the best potential. if there was a kid who was 7'1 and could shoot a lil and handle a lil he would be considered to have the higest potential
Yea, because he would have the ability to do more on the floor....he would have the most POTENTIAL to do things on the floor that others can't do...