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Georgia Tech beat Mercer today by 11 points.  James Florence (guard) for Mercer scored 40 points! I wonder who was guarding him? Derrick Favors & Lawal both had very effecient games by looking at the box score.  They both shot a very high percentage from the field.  Favors had 16 points 8 rebounds & 4 blocks.  Lawal had 15 points & 10 rebounds.

What is with all the upsets lately?  The last couple days have surprised me some.  Marquette beat Michigan today.  Yesterday Texas A&M beat Clemson, Minnesota beat Butler, Alabama beat Baylor, Portalnd beat UCLA, Houston beat Oklahoma!!!.  

The freshamn Rodney Williams (Minnesota) that is getting so much hype lately only played 3 minutes according to the box score.  What happened to him (hurt maybe)?

Marquette is now 6-0.  I thought this team would have a down year after losing McNeal, Matthews, & Dominic James.  How is this team winning?

What is wrong with Oklahoma?  They are now 2-3, that is awful.  

UCLA is garbage right now. 

I'm watching Tennessee vs. College of Charleston right now.  Scotty Hopson is putting on a show. 


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In the GT game, which I

In the GT game, which I watched, Shumpert, D'Andre Bell (who did the best after they kind made adjustments) and Udofia were attempting to guard him lol. But Favors made some wow plays, and Lawal was all over the place on the low block. Favors has all the ability in the world, and I think he'll hit stride in a few games. He's gotten better after every game. Talk about a menace on the offensive glass? Lawal and Favors are ridiculous at that.

Oklahoma....I remember saying that they would be the 3rd team in the Big 12 and that Willie Warren wouldn't make them a winner (although he's a GREAT prospect) and I got chewed for it. He who laughs last laughs the hardest.

Scotty Hopson is a nice little prospect for 2011. He has the potential to be a J.R. Smith type. But I watched him against Purdue the other day and he didn't stand out as much. They were very smart on D against Tennessee.

UCLA is raw right now, but they will be good next year and at the end of the year. Just watch. But no, they are not a tourny team this year. Barring a crazy run in the Conference tourny.

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Duke is 6-0. The Front Line

Duke is 6-0. The Front Line is still average but Kelly and Plumlee (Miles) will the athletic guys and Thomas and Z will be the hustle guys. Mason Plumlee will be the guy to score.

I want too see more from Michigan, I feel there a bit fools gold.

Marquette reminds me of a really good mid major...watch out.

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I hate Duke. I left them out

I hate Duke. I left them out of the discussion on purpose lol.  They are off to a great start though.   

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Wesley Johnson is balling
Wesley Johnson is balling tonight also.  It is midway through the 2nd half & he has like 26 points, 3 rebs, 3 assists, & 2 steals.  He has surprised me.  Really improved since his days at Iowa St.  Hard work pays off.  I'm not sure if I like him as a lottery pick yet though.  I still need to watch him play more.
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Johnson

I feel you gatorheel I'm not quite ready either to jump on wesley johnsons bandwagon either even though its deep. I need to see him play some more tougher competiton before I jump him into the lottery like this site is doing.

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Yea Johnson is a totally

Yea Johnson is a totally different player than he was at ISU. I was wondering why he was getting hyped up by fans at Cuse prior to the season, because I remembered him being an above average player but not really a NBA prospect. He's a top 10 or possibly top5 pick as of now.

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I have to say. Kentucky

I have to say. Kentucky reminds me of that Maryland team who won the title. I don't think they will be a pull away team against real competition.

UCLA will be great come the end of the season. I do feel they need a recruit one of the top PG left (Knight, Selby, Joesph) because Malcolm Lee is not a PG to me.

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Oregon St lost to Sacramento

Oregon St lost to Sacramento St, my alma mater. UCLA gets routed by Portalnd. The confernece is garbage. The only consolation I can take is that I knew this was the worst the conference has been in a while. UCLA had 5 top 50 recruits last year in what was the number 1 recruting class in the nation. Holiday left, but the rest don't look very good. Malcolm Lee is playing okay, but not looking like a guy ready to lead a team. This year's class had 4 top 100 recruits, but only Reeves Nelson is doing anything at all. Their only returning starter has been arrested twice this year for fighting and has been suspended. They are bad.

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Yea, but I think Ben Howland

Yea, but I think Ben Howland will fix that. The team looks lost. Most of thier guys are Freshman or Sophomores who did not play alot last year

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The Big East's strength has

The Big East's strength has really shined through in the non conference schedule. Not just Marquette, UConn, Cuse, Pitt and Louisville all lost key cogs. However all of these teams get good recruits, some more raw than others, and with the growth of some of those young players, this conference looks overall better than last year, and definitely looks like the top conference.

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Looks like Florida is about
Looks like Florida is about to upset Michigan St.  
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How come Billy D not on the

How come Billy D not on the hotseat?

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why would he be on the hot

why would he be on the hot seat?

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Yea Donovan will not be on

Yea Donovan will not be on the hot seat anytime soon...and they beat Michigan State just now.

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I saw that...ESPN had it the

I saw that...ESPN had it the other way on the bottomline. Still, I feel he gotta make the NCAA Tourney this year or the seat may get warm IMO

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Haha no way QHaynes.  He is
Haha no way QHaynes.  He is one of only 3 active coaches with multiple NCAA championships.  Florida is going to make the NCAA tourney this year, easily.
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Plus what is the deal with
Plus what is the deal with Rodney Willaims (Minnesota)?  This site is hyping him ridiculously.  I have also heard a few other people on here already jumping on his bandwagon.  He did absolutely nothing against Butler & he isn't doing anything against Portland tonight.  
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Gator- We say that now. We

Gator- We say that now. We never know. I believe they might. Remember G-Town started 10-1 and actually won many big games then missed the tourney.

Rodney Williams is not a 2010 prospect. So I don't care right now. He will have off games. He is a freshman.

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He's really just a freak

He's really just a freak athlete with the ability to guard all kinds of positions in the NBA...he's a 2011 or possibly 2012 prospect though ideally.

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My thing is this: Has the

My thing is this: Has the William Buford hype died yet? I remember he was supposed to be a lotto pick similar to Ray Allen

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He was never that good yet,

He was never that good yet, he's also a 2012 type prospect. The hype on here can get premature when they try to find a diamond in the rough. I've noticed that. I think they want to say they found out about a prospect before they actually get blown up by other websites or the media or whatever. But thats cool though

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Iggy...are u gonna be on the

Iggy...are u gonna be on the show this week?

Also, I agree. Sometimes, there are reasons these guys aren't really hyped up. Guys like Rodney Williams and William Buford need time. I know some more players that will get some hype in the near future...we all need to slow down.

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Yea I planned on being on

Yea I planned on being on the show...Lucas told me to be ready the other day

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alright...we dont even have

alright...we dont even have a run sheet yet. When we have one, ill send it 2 u

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That will do, thanks..

That will do, thanks..

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all i need to say about NCAA

all i need to say about NCAA for now..
D.Favors- yes Wall is no.1 but he is SECOND and please no talks about bust..25mpg(just) 14ppg8rpg2bpg i believe he will play 30(just because he needs it) and he will be around 20/10/3 and this is next to another double double guy
same with Davis he is getting better he shows his defense strongly don't know about offense he won't avg 20 imo but he is getting better there also...
AND Xavier Henry has veeery bright future

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Wow...Miss St. lost again

Wow...Miss St. lost again last night.  They are struggling big time.  Renardo Sidney to the rescue?  They need him asap.  Anybody heard any news about his eligibility.  I would hate to see him miss the entire season.  I was looking forward to seeing him play.  

Arkansas is losing on a regular basis to weak teams now too. They have a few key players that are suspended & I'm not sure when they will return. The SEC west looks really weak at the moment.  Ole Miss has to be licking their chops because it looks like they could run away with the West divsion.   

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yeahh

can't wait to see Renardo

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That Fortson dude for

That Fortson dude for Arkansas is a beast. But he's one of those guys that's suspended, and he was the heart and soul of the team too, so I can see how they would suck. And they lost another valuable player in Stefan Welsh who did a little of everything.

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i think sydney has the

i think sydney has the chance to be the number 2 pick if he plays and does well. hes the most talented and has the highest potential of all the players in college because of his size and ability for his size. Some one like that will always have the highest potential although it doesnt always pan out.

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ohhhhhh

I like it quincey, i'm too shy to say that this guy has #1 pick potential but finnaly someone did something similar. i thought that i'm only with so big hopes from this super-talented kid.

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I disagree. I think the

I disagree. I think the whole past issues may move him down a bit. Yea his upside his amazing. I said before he could be a potential top 5 pick along with Lance but now:

Teams will not want headaches. Why take Syndey over a Favors, Davis, Turner or John Henson?

To be Honest-John Henson has IMO the most potential

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qhaynes i understand where

qhaynes i understand where you are coming from but teams dont really care about that too much anymore if the player can play..you see how many teams are kicking there selfs because of not taking jennings. alot of talk was how much of a headach he was too. then look at beasy. utah was still trying to trade for him after the whole offseason thing he did. pretty much if you are good enough and have enough potential teams are willing to take a chance because its all about keeping youre job and getting wins. as far as henson im not sure he has more potential. theres not one area that henson can get better at that sydney cant and sydney is already a better shooter,passer and more physical and better foot work

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everyone has opinion..so

everyone has opinion..so mine is: no way i would take Henson over Sidney, sorry..if Jennings could be star from day one under Skiles, why can't Sidney be a high pick

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I also think Wall and Henson

I also think Wall and Henson have more and/or just as much potential as Sidney. Wall could develop into a dominant PG in the NBA as he has alot of Dwyane Wade in him. He's a combo guard more than a true PG, but he'll develop his PG skills to be decent. I can see it.

John Henson has the ability to defend PG-PF's in the NBA. He's raw right now, but he's got some impressive skills for such a raw player. He could develop into a SF/PF that has PG skills and the ability to be a HUGE matchup nightmare. He just needs more weight and an improved jumper. But he's extremely high upside, and I could see him being one of the best players in the NBA in the future with his skill set and size.

Sidney honestly reminds me of Eddy Curry with more range on his jumper. That's from what I've seen. He's extremely gifted, and will probably have big seasons in the NBA, but he's a poor defender and rebounder just like Curry and he has those same conditioning problems. He's definitely has top 5 talent, and I would bet that that's where he gets picked, but I think he'll be a underachiever relative to his draft spot and potential.

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i feel you on the as much

i feel you on the as much potential..cant agree that henson can defend pg-pf in the nba when he cant even defend his own position right now. potentially maybe but right now no.. way i dont give wall the same potential is if you put people with equal ability next to each other but one is much taller then the other then you take the other. not sure how you can think sydney is a poor defender when he hasnt had any one dominate him on the hs level and hasnt played college ball yet but once asgain youre opinion. personally im just not as high on henson as some other because hes far off from being able to contribute even on the college level right now. i see people like to see the tall guy whos skinny and could potentially play small foward because they want to see the next but most of the time they never pan out. too be honest i like that kid perry jones muccch more then henson since he looks more of a natural sf then henson even though hes still in hs

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Austin Daye

Austin Daye> John Henson

just saying quincey said all the right things in that post

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damn i actually like that

damn i actually like that comparision except daye was farther alone as a sf at this point but that is damn good

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Mike Beasley never got

Mike Beasley never got dominated in HS on D either, neither did Kevin Love. Both of them are poor defenders. Remember how you said all the stuff goes out the window in HS when you play college ball? Same thing here. He has too much size to get dominated by regular HS competition, but when he played against a big man with size, such as Favors and Cousins in the McDonald's Game, he showed how poor a defender he was. Favors won the MVP and missed like 1 shot the whole game, and Cousins also had a good statline. I don't know that anyone thinks he's good defender, nevert heard anyone say that Sidney was a good defender a single time in my life. EVER. Neither have I seen him make plays on D in any games I've seen him play

And for his size and length, he's a terrible rebounder just like Curry. Never heard that get refuted either.

Henson is raw. I have said that, That's why he has so much "potential." He isn't ready for the NBA now, but give him next season and possibly 2012, and he'll be a menace on D and very versatile. He has every single tool needed to be a good defender minus the strength that will come as he matures.

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Wall>Henson Sidney>Henson Fav

Wall>Henson
Sidney>Henson
Favors>Henson
Daye???? what??? can't agree. if Henson won't reach his potential, he still has athleticism and shot-blocking ability.

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John Henson is more like

John Henson is more like Lamar Odom than anything else. Daye is a shooter, while shooting is the weakest part on Henson's game. Henson is also alot quicker and more athletic than Daye is. The only similarity between them is that their both tall and skinny for wing players.

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Daye played against in my

Daye played against in my high school tournament he actually played the (1-4 on offense)

I think Henson is a nice player and all but I see a lot of growing pains b4 he can actually be effective on defense and offense at the SF position at any level

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but same Beasley still was

but same Beasley still was 2nd pick and now going to be very good player..when you are SO talented on offense some defence problems can't make you 2rounder or something..

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exactly so what proof is

exactly so what proof is there that sydney is a bad defender?..at this point hes no bad a defender then any of the other freshmen right?..i can understand a opinion from what someone has seen but if none of us have seen his defense against college comp then how can we say his defense is bad? ive never heard any one say henson is a good defender either does that mean he isnt?..i have heard that hes very very raw and that he "could" be a sf in the future but isnt one right now as far as defense in mikey ds game come on be serious. rarely anyone plays any type of defense in that gam,e thats why the scores are so high. thats like saying someone cant play d in the nba because someone scored alot on them in the all star game. come on

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Offensively yeah i was

Offensively
yeah i was thinking about that plus Daye is a bit longer at 6'11, and has always been taught to shoot the ball

that being said Henson will not be a very physical player until he gets to at least 210, Odom is 230

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odom in hs was already

odom in hs was already talked about being able to play alot of positions and came in and did just that as a freshman. on this unc team as a freshman he would be starting at that sf spot..henson right now is just potential just like alot of guys who never reached it. he was a pf/c in hs and plays mostly pf in college (when he does actually play) and is even listed at pf. im not sure i remeber anyone starting out so low and ending up being great. hes closer to marvin williams then odom

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Go on any draft website that

Go on any draft website that has a profile on John Henson, and you'd never find anything that says Henson plays "absolutely zero" defense the way it says that about Sidney. I've seen and heard Henson play good D, even in some of UNC's games. I guess if your trying to make an argument that Renardo Sidney is a good defender, I can't say anything more than what I have already said. WHich is what everyone except you knows, and that is that he's not a good defender at all.

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I think the NBA is becoming

I think the NBA is becoming a boy's league, just call me Rasheed Wallace

thetruth says John Henson is not ready

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Austin Daye is more like

Austin Daye is more like Marvin Williams. I think Henson plays much more like Odom than Williams. Once again, the only comparison between the two is that they're tall for wing players.

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those are the same sites

those are the same sites that say bj mullans was gonna dominate. you gotta understand that predicting how some one is gonna play defense because of how they played it in college doesn't make much sense. especially when you are so good and get bored with the game. i didnt say hes a good or bad defender because just like you and other draft sites i dont know becauser he hasn't played college ball yet. i havn't seen anyone compare him to eddy curry or anyone close to that. but ive also seen websites say a kid is comparable to a nab star yet never make the nba. and henson hasnt played enough to be consider very good at anything. ive watched his games too and ive seen him get banged around because hes too light. i cant compare him to randolph,odom or other good freshmen in the past that were around his size since all of them came in and earned alot of time. and some freshmen like williams who came off the bench had other nba or very good players in front of them. at the sf spot henson has will graves in front of him.

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