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Please dont say Allen Iverson has lost a step

Because he hasnt..I can name 11 teams that he could start for....I hope they're not saying Iverson isnt a better player than Anthony Parker,Felton,Afflalo or Calederon..Because he is..They cant say Corey Brewer,Lou Williams,Duhon,Devin Brown or Mike Conley are better players..Because they aren't....Because in the brief 3 games with Memphis, it was Iverson who was on the floor during crunch time.Not Conley...Iverson was a 6 foot guard that dominated a big man's sport..And everyone roots for the underdog..He's still capable of geting 30 on any given nite..But why is he's not playing with anyone? Chicago can use his instant offense..Wade has been Miami's only consistent guard..He has to be great every nite for the Heat to win..So Wade will welcome some relief..Iverson could sit out the rest of this season..Return next season and still be an allstar..It's his ball hogging,cockiness & immaturity that has kept alot of teams from signing him..Allen's brass attitude and me against the world persona helped him to become a future 1st ballot hall of famer..I'll never forget the wide grin he had on his face...When he led the 76'ers with 48 points in the win over the heavily favored Lakers in game 1 of 2001 NBA Finals..After the win Iverson sat at the press room with his signature do-rag & shades..He was 1 of the 1st athlete to bring their kids to the after game press conference..Who needs Practice, he once asked? I'm the Man..Who needs Practice? Its that gangsta mentality that made him great..And its also that mentality that helped labeled a troublesome knucklehead by some...If wants to be successful in this league again..He needs to re-invent himself..Even if it means coming off the bench....He must learn to adapt..........


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Gangsta mentality has

Gangsta mentality has nothing to do with it.

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There's no doubt in my mind

There's no doubt in my mind that Iverson still has the talent to be a key contributor in the league. That's just what he is, however: A KEY CONTRIBUTOR. The teams rudeboy listed could use him, but his attitude seems like it's too much to handle. Father Time catches up with us all eventually, and A.I is no exception. His reckless style of play combined with his "small" stature, thin build and seemingly excessive mileage only expedited the process. Look at all of the nagging and serious injuries he's had over the past few years. To say that he hasn't lost a step is to say that K.G and Ray Allen and Paul Pierce and Rasheed Wallace and Jerry Stackhouse and Antonio McDyess (you get where I'm going with this) haven't lost a step.

As far as the Grizzlies go, that was really his last chance. He should've seized the opportunity when he had it. He can't expect to sign a 1 year contract and immediately take a starting spot from a guy that the Grizzlies have high hopes in. The Grizzlies' main reasons for bringing Iverson in were to increase ticket sales and strengthen their BENCH. A.I said that he would retire once he wasn't the 1st or 2nd guy on the opposing team's scouting report, and he has held true to his word.

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My thoughts...

I think it is great that he is not in the NBA, he has always been way overrated by the people who simply look at a box score to judge how good a player is. The big secret is though that he is not a great player. I can say this because you can look at all the teams he was on that had promising talent and then when AI left, traded for people who were supposed to be worse than he was, somehow that team got better; just think about that. If a player leaves you team and you get someone who is not as good as them, but then your team gets better, that probably means that the player was a terrible fit for your team; and honestly I cannot think of a single team in the NBA that would benefit right now from having a selfish, whinny, brat who is just going to complain when you lose and take almost 25 shots per game without making your team any better. There are very few teams in the league that would even considerer him because most teams are not in the position of winning a championship this year. The only teams That would even have room for him at the SG position, because that is what he is, not a PG, if he hogs the ball and takes all the shots he is definitely not a true PG, are the Nuggets and the Cavs. The Nuggets obviously did not have a great winning history when they had him, so why ruin a so far great season, and the Cavs should probably pursue him, but I do not blame them for getting cold feet, I would to.

And if this sounds like a rant, it is; I'm just so tired of people making excuses for this immature jerk for acting the way he does.

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"I think it is great that he

"I think it is great that he is not in the NBA, he has always been way overrated by the people who simply look at a box score to judge how good a player is. The big secret is though that he is not a great player."

Lack of basketball knowledge? Or, you just don't like him?

To say he isn't a great player is like saying Bin Ladden isn't a terrorist.

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Dont get mad, get realistic...

If you disagree with someone it is usually best to give examples, or at least an explanation as to why they are misleading in their conclusions. I honestly do not believe that he can be qualified as a great player, he has never proven through his nba career that he can be a team player, that he can evolve his game beyond scoring, and that he could put aside his pride for the betterment of his team, it is these qualities that truly make you good for your team and not just good for your own box score and wallet.

Jpostaboy: I am glad that you qualify me as an idiot but I believe that your reasoning is extremely flawed, If you notice the way that both Jordan and Kobe play, it is much different than AI, they have evolved through their careers and are much better than Iverson in many areas, they are good enough at defense and leading a team to be considered two of the best players to ever play basketball. It is that knowledge that led them to the rightfully deserved ego that they have today, however, Iverson has never done enough in my mind to earn respect enough to justify his attitude. Also, Kobe and Jordan may have not been able to win alone, but they are known for being the number one option on their championship teams, Iverson had the chance to be that player very early on in his career, but never reached that status.

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your personality has nothing

your personality has nothing to do with skills. even with iverson loosing a step, his step is still better than 3/4 of the league. The sixers have been no better without him then they were with him. For a good 5 years he kept the sixers as a top eastern conference team by himself. His brash attitude made him the player we know, it provided his killer instinct. I honestly think MIami needs to sign him. Wade needs scoring help. You give him Derrick Fisher minutes-30 mpg. He still averages 20.

BasketBalAllan you are an absolute idiot.
I mean Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant are two of the most arrogant and pompous players to ever play, hated by many, loved by many. Kobe bryant couldn't win by himself and neither could Michael jordan, Iverson got closer by himself than both of them. not saying he's better because he's not..but your thesis sucks.

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Sure ^ Also it's nice to

Sure ^

Also it's nice to know that everyone you disagree with you give a negative.

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i just said he wasn't better

i just said he wasn't better than them. already

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Wonderful...

Mikenike: Is that not the point of being able to rate comments, to give a positive to those who you believe are correct and a negative to those you believe incorrect? Why should the fact that I rate a users comments be held against me? It just seems more than a little hypocritical to insult me and then complain when I give you a "negative".

jpostaboy: Then what exactly was your argument; besides me being an idiot for an unexplained reason? My thesis is that it takes more than just skill in certain areas to be proclaimed a great NBA player. You have to have almost, for lack of a better phrase, "the total package". It requires some things the Iverson has, such as the ability to take over a game and score, and even be a good defender when he puts forth the effort; but it also takes a willingness to involve teammates, knowing when not to say something stupid, having confidence in your team, knowing your role and embracing it, giving credit where credit is due, and just generally being able to take one for the team. All of which both Kobe and Jordan have done, but when you look at Iverson, he just comes up lacking a lot of key qualities, which I would argue is the reason he not only has a bad reputation, but also a bad record in trying to win championships.

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^ You're 100% right, but

^ You're 100% right, but Iverson fans can't see that. ^ Iverson obviously can't even see it himself.

Great talent and great INDIVIDUAL player, but it takes more than that to be a winner... I don't think I've ever seen Iverson willing to sacrifice for his team. People give Iverson a lot of credit for playing through bumps and bruises. That's great. He was definitely a warrior when it came to that. However, I've just never seen him sacrifice for his team. It's always been about him. He's always expected them, teammates and coaches, to sacrifice for him. I don't think Iverson was ever the leader his teammates or coaches needed him to be. You'd never hear Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant and the other great players complain about practice.

He's a first ballot hall of famer because of the numbers he put up and his individual accomplishments, but I still think players like Jason Kidd and Chauncey Billups will be considered the more successful players when it's all said and done.

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Iverson wasted his chance in

Iverson wasted his chance in Memphis, if he would have been patient and not let his ego get in the way, with Conley's struggles I honestly think Iverson would be starting by now, the guy sat out the PLAYOFFS in Detroit because he didn't want to come off the bench, it is a shame to see a player off his caliber go out this way, but is it a surprise?

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You know what though? I was

You know what though? I was actually very surprised at the way Iverson acted in Memphis. I mean, he missed tons of practices, etc with the hamstring injury and complained his 1st game back about coming off the bench. That shocked me... Especially after all the positive things he said during the press conference announcing his signing. He said he was there to be a leader, show the younger players how to win, etc. I did have my doubts, but I believed him for the most part.

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Billups better than

Billups better than Iverson?? Are you kidding????? Yes it takes more than what Iverson had to win a championship... GOOD TEAMMATES!!

Everyones acting like the regular season counts for nothing. You make your CAREER in the regular season and to flat out ignore the talent he has, and the accomplishments he's achieved is stupid. Does any on remember the 76ers with him when he was in his prime? Who was his championship running mate? Derrick Coleman? Aaron McKie? George Lynch? Who on his team was ever a legit scoring threat? Larry Brown knew that there were no other offensive threats on his team, thats why he played him so many minutes and kept the ball in his hand. He was one of the greatest finishers and ball handlers of ALL time, and played the passing lanes as well as anyone ever...

His playstyle didnt suit the Nuggets or the Pistons, but when he was on the 76ers he was a top 5 player in the NBA, every year. He carried that franchise on his back for a decade...

"You'd never hear Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant and the other great players complain about practice." What does that have to do with his play?

Can anyone give me any reason that doesn't have to do with team accomplishments for why Iverson isnt a great player? And how is he an immature jerk? He's a proud man, one of the greatest ever to lace them up, and it sounds like a lot of people are minimizing his talent because they don't like him... Then again, he's the kind of guy that won't care about the haters...

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Yes. When it's all said and done, Billups and Kidd will be considered more sucessful players than Iverson.

Do you know why Iverson didn't have any quality teammates? Because NOBODY could play with him! You had to surround him with gritty role player guys like Eric Snow, Mutumbo, Lynch and McKie who didn't care about how much Iverson shot the ball or dominated the ball! They just did the dirty work and made up for his weaknesses. You have to surround Iverson with teammates like that for a team with him as the go-to guy to be successful. Stackhouse couldn't play with AI. Larry Hughes couldn't play with AI. He shot them out of the game!!! He was a ball hog! Talented as they ever come, but a damn ball hog. He was a 5' 11" 165 pound ball hogging undersized shooting guard that had zero point guard mentality and zero defense. If you call gambling in the passing lanes great defense, then you have no clue. Even on a talented team in Denver, they still got bounced out of the first round of the playoffs with Iverson as their "leader". They trade Iverson for Billups and look at the results.

Iverson not wanting to practice had nothing to do with his play, but it had EVERYTHING to do with leadership qualities.

I'm not saying that he wasn't a great player. I think he was a great individual player. The most electric scoring little player I've ever seen. He's a first ballot hall of famer based on his individual achievments. He'll never be considered a winner or a great team player in my book though.

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Whether you consider him a

Whether you consider him a winner or a great team player doesnt mean he's not successful. I already said that Iverson didnt fit in in Denver. I didnt like the trade for Miller when it happened for the Nuggets. Stackhouse couldn't play with him Iverson because he was just as ball dominant without a jumpshot. Hughes couldnt play with Iverson for the exact same reason. There wasn't anyone who could shoot the ball better than Iverson on any of his 76er teams. He did shoot who out of the game? Because he didnt shoot his team out the game given the lack of talent. Who said he had great defense? I gave him credit where credit's do, and averaging 2.2 steals for a career is an achievement. We've never seen him play alongside a great player who's game matched his skill set.

And Kidd you can argue has a better career. But Billups spent half his career as a journeyman, Iverson spent half his career with a higher scoring average than everyone in NBA history but Jordan and Wilt.

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mkadoza you should just stp

mkadoza you should just stp arguing with tezo, he's never going to get the point or face the facts.

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Billups better than Iverson?? Are you kidding????? Yes it takes more than what Iverson had to win a championship... GOOD TEAMMATES!!

Everyones acting like the regular season counts for nothing. You make your CAREER in the regular season and to flat out ignore the talent he has, and the accomplishments he's achieved is stupid. Does any on remember the 76ers with him when he was in his prime? Who was his championship running mate? Derrick Coleman? Aaron McKie? George Lynch? Who on his team was ever a legit scoring threat? Larry Brown knew that there were no other offensive threats on his team, thats why he played him so many minutes and kept the ball in his hand. He was one of the greatest finishers and ball handlers of ALL time, and played the passing lanes as well as anyone ever...

His playstyle didnt suit the Nuggets or the Pistons, but when he was on the 76ers he was a top 5 player in the NBA, every year. He carried that franchise on his back for a decade...

"You'd never hear Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant and the other great players complain about practice." What does that have to do with his play?

Can anyone give me any reason that doesn't have to do with team accomplishments for why Iverson isnt a great player? And how is he an immature jerk? He's a proud man, one of the greatest ever to lace them up, and it sounds like a lot of people are minimizing his talent because they don't like him... Then again, he's the kind of guy that won't care about the haters...
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Now I agree with this 10000000000000%, seriously saying Iverson wasn't a great player is dumb. How do you expect him to sacrifice? Give up shots to players that shouldn't even be starting in the first place? Allen Iveson , on sheer talent is one of the greatest of all time...............Are you really ging to put Billups even in the same sentence with A.I.. Also, a ball-hog? Sure hell just pass to the bums and they will lose by 40, is that better? Kobe got 35 per. on a team with better surrounding players than Iverson ever had, but no no no he isn't a ballhog.......I don't get that one bit, as a matter of fact that confuses me. Also, seriously?, He wasn't a leader????????????HAHAHA...........If you say he wasn't a leader that is pure stupidity......He was a leader by action with his dertimination to win, and play is ass off all the time, and by word, He made a horrible team of players look great......................Tezo........are you being serious?

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