Rubio > Jennings imo
I now im going to get a lot of negative points for this because this board is full of jennings lovers, but I still believe that rubio is better than jennings. why? because I still think that jennings is over achieving currently and will see his numbers fall my mid-season. His fg% is way better than it should be considering his jump shooting ability. Look, he will definitely hit the rookie wall a little after mid-season because he is carrying a team on his back right now. right now he is doing really well but he will slow down.
A big thing that NOBODY has mentioned is that this is the first time that all these guys have faced/seen jennings really play. He played in Europe so the game film that is taken from there is not very useful for NBA game strategies to defend him and the NBA players simply have not figured out how to guard him. Once they adjust to him and develop better scouting reports he will decline. Rubio however does not need to score to help his team win. He does all of the little things to get a team a victory, yet he has capability to be a star player. Usually the guys doing the little things are the role players, but rubio is truly special in that he thinks one step ahead of everyone else on the court.
Also, people claim that he does not have a good shot, but he has better form on his shot than jennings. However, he does not jump a lot on his shot which leads people to claim that he will get blocked a lot on his shot. However, if he does have a bad shot and great passing + penetrating ability, then defenses will not play him to close and give him room to shoot in fear of him penetrating and kicking. Therefore, he will have time to shoot his jumper. But, if he can not get it off, he will be able to adjust by quickening his shot considering how young he is. Think about it, terrence williams reworked his entire shot at Louisville at an older age then rubio currently is.
Also, Jennings might be scoring a lot, but his defense has not been very good. Rubio has better defense. Also, Rubio is much better in front of the media in terms of not being a distraction. What I mean is, if the bucks make the playoffs, you know u will hear jennings say something like "I guarantee we're going to win in 5 games" when they're facing the celtics in the first round of 1 vs. 8 matchup. He can be too cocky at times which I think in the long run will hurt him. I know I will get a lot of hate for this opinion, but I truly think that Ricky Rubio will be a better NBA player than Brandon Jennings.
enter button is your friend my man. Anyways, without reading that block, i will say that i still beleive rubio will be a very good nba player and i'm curious why so many are throwing him aside on here. But Jennings looks like a star and no way am i going to predict rubio over jennings at this point.
lets wait till Rubio actually plays in the NBA alright
ya you really cant say that right now considering jennigs just dropped 55 as a 20 year old rookie point guard and rubio is over seas. jennings i think will be a better defender because he has all the tools to do it. his jump shot will only get better and he has the quickness to always be effective in this league. look at the super quick guys in the nba. tony parker is a star, allen iverson was a star, ty lawson looks like he can be real good, and b jennings is doing real well. i agree that he will have a drop off in numbers but give the guy credit for dominating right here right now. dont tell me rubio is better when you havent seen him 10 games into an nba season like we have with jennings. jennings is better and will be better until rubio comes and proves he can play. and in my opinion rubio will be average at best because he does not have elite quickness and not much of a jumpshot. atleast jennings has quickness and right now that is good enough for a stong rookie year.
I'm throwing Rubio aside because I'm starting to think he will pull a Fran Vasquez and never come over. He is a little boy, who really did the T WOlves dirty. They find a way to get him out of his contract yet he still doesn't come over. On the other hand u have Jennings who get drafted by the frickin Bucks, shows up, plays like the best pg in the league right now, and all he talks about is getting into the playoffs and how much he loves playing for the Bucks. He is making the Bucks a hot ticket. I still think Rubio is really good, but man I have lost a lot of respect for this kid.
actually jennings defense has been pretty good..not great but not bad..he played very good defense on lawson and billups, stucky rose...he needs to work on gambling but when he doesnt gamble hes been pretty good and obviously his jumper has gotten better..i think he has ess chance of hitting the wall because in europe you play allllot of games..more then a college season and you actually practice much more then you do in the nba (2 and sometimes 3 times a day practices)...loving his cockyness and he doesnt over do it..he does wave his finger like a mutombo or talk awhole lot of junk like a bird ,jordan kobe, and other players..no one in europe really has to score to help there team win because its a team game thats why you see low ppg scoring averages..the things that make jennings so good isnt just his scoring.the man can pass makes others better and suprisingly is a very very good rebounder, and he can get his shot off against any type of pg..which is very good..hes gone against quick ones strong ones and some with a mix of both
also ive seen other people have better forms on shots then micheal adams and reggie miller..and definatly shawn marion..the only thing that really matters is if it goes in or not
Here is how i think about it:
First lets examine all of the weaknesses people were worried about with Jennings as prospect:
turnover prone, too small, not strong enough, not a good enough playmaker to make up for his lack of jumpshot, attitude and cockiness, wont be a consistent defender.
Between getting out of Compton and going to oak hill, and then going to europe, i think he has systematically adressed all of these issues, and i am not surprised by his success.
Europe was the last place a player like BJ would suceed, but in going there he has learned to take care of the ball, keep his teammates happy, and worked on his shot to the point where he is an elite shooter in the league. He was forced by the slower, more perimeter oriented pace of the Euro league to devlop those skills.
Europe has also helped him mature, every interview, every game, every moment, i always see him working and playing team first, simply living in the present. Some players get enamored with their own potential, he has avoided that pitfall.
playing against full grown men everyday rather than kids his age helped him learn how to avoid being exploited by stronger players, and he has handled it very well, as we have both chauncey and stuckey struggle against him, and both tried to over power him.
BJ was a super quick/athletic pg with all of the typical American strenghts and weaknesses we see from top prospects, going to europe he fixed all of this, and now has all the strengfhts of a euro guard and the skill set of a top american hs prospect
Rubio is just another pass first guard who has found success at an early age, but does not have the tools that BJ does. there is no way rubio will be better
i couldnt have said it better myself...the thing is rubio could be alot better if he would com eplay in america every summer so he can combine the best of the euro game to the best of the u.s game..you can only get better by combining both games
I know I probably shouldn't mention this
and Rubio is cocky as well, dude refers to himself in the 3rd person
Man, I was one of the people on her advocating Derrick Rose and saying we haven't seen enough from Jennings. I won't say Jennings is better than Rose, but they're both damn good and I'd be happy with either...My point is, Jennings is the real deal. He dropped 55 (let that soak in) in his 7th NBA game ever. Rubio has never stepped on an NBA court. Yes he played well in the Olympics, but there is now way you can back yourself up saying Rubio is better. Maybe you believe one day he could be better, but as of right now (and I think it will stay that way) Jennings is better.
The thing is though, with the way Jennings is playing, saying Rubio won't be as good isn't saying a whole lot, Rubio could be not as good as Jennings and still be an All-Star I think. That's just a testament to Jennings' skills.
And I agree with Henry25, and basically everything he said, except the situations were completely different, I think anyone in there right mind would be like "What the hell" if they were put in that situation. Drafting 2 guys at the same position in the top 10 of the lottery? Just plain stupid, no 2 ways about it. It's like they asked Rubio to stay...
PLUS YOU have to realize the nba is a business first so we cant get mad if a player also looks at it that way..rubo is used to playing in europe and the contract he signed allows him to make much more tax free money over there then he would wit that rookie contract as well as letting him get older stronger and more prepared for when he comes over to the nba
I have a hard time believing Rubio would be having as much immediate success as Jennings. If given the playing time I think Rubio's assist numbers would be higher, but as far as his points go I think he would be a similar player to Jose Calderon. Good at distributing, but not a great shooter or a guy who is going to drop 20 a night like Jennings. Neither one is a player like Chris Paul who is going to give you 23 and 11, one is going to give you 23 and one could potentially give you 11. I think they are two very different players, and until Rubio decides he wants to play in the NBA the edge goes to Jennings. Rubio may be better readying himself for the NBA by staying in Europe for two more seasons, but by the time he sets foot on an NBA floor Jennings will already be a top 5 pg and all-star.
jennings has the potenial to get 23 and 11..hes a very very good passer and shows it when he doesnt have to score much.
Like I said before, Jennings and Flynn were the two best point guards in that draft. Rubio could be good some day, could. How can you say that they don't have film on Jennings when they have just as much flim on Jennings as they do Rubio over seas. Plus, it's basketball at it's highest level in the NBA. What has the NBA not see that the Euro league has? Until Rubio enters the leagues, lets just say Jennings is better.
Rubio said he just wants to play in the NBA as his dream, he'll even play for free if he has too. Well, that was all a lie. I really think Rubio is making the biggest mistake by not coming if he is as good as they say he is. He'll have to wait 2 years to come into the NBA now, and he'll be under his rookie contract which will last another 4 years. He won't be a free agent untill another 6 years.
If he took his rookie contract now, he'll be a free agent in 4, and he'll be making double figures in the millions in 5. Stupied finicial move on his part.
I think he's not as good as they say he is and that is why he is where he is now. Jennings is the better of the two.
how doesnt it make sense..lets see..his contract overseas now is tax free...hes gonna come over a better player so after his rookie contract he will get a big pay day instead of just learning and playing ok during his rookie contract and get less then he would as a better more mature stronger player.....all these guys say they would play for free cuz they love the sport so much and if they had to they would play for free but the fact is no one would give up there contract to play for free..hopefully you didnt really believe that....his decision was a very very smart business as well as basketball decision...which rubio do you think would be more ready...a 18 year old one or a 21 year old one
Dude, why do you keep saying Euro contracts are tax free? Europeans pay taxes like the rest of the world. The Euro is worth more than the dollar right now, and they play a shit ton less games for similar money. That's why certain people decide to leave. It's simple economics. Less work + great money = American dream. For someone who claims to have played overseas you sure don't know much about the system over there.
and the money that is there this year is gonna be there when he comes in 3 years from now..how is that stupid?
I don't see Rubio being that good in the NBA, he seems more like Sergio Rodriguez than Steve Nash to me....
Oh yeah, saying some kid who hasn't done much is gonna be better than a kid who dropped a double nickel in his SEVENTH NBA game is [email protected] retarded. I've said it a million times, and I'll say it again: Brandon Jennings will be the best player from this draft and potentially the best pg in the league. Rubio will be a bust.
because the team pays for youre tax ..which means you get to keep all youre money hence..tax free salary...so before you try calling someone out get youre facts right buddy
You need to get your facts right fraud. The money isn't tax free nimrod. The taxes are taken out for you. You yourself never pay them 'cause they're taken out before you ever see your money. You don't keep %100 of your money. What a joke.
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lol..you really think im gonna argue with you..you really think i didnt ready my contract or my friend or brother?...and since you dont wanna take my word for it
A forum member of French basketinforum posted a nice table which also shows the relationship between total budget and player salaries for every team. Here you can see that in general, only one-third of the total budget is used for the players, with the rest covering other costs. For example, Euroleague teams Le Mans and SLUC Nancy have only €1.86 million and €1.80 million, respectively, which with to sign players for the upcoming season.
Another interesting note is the level of budgets compared to Germany, a league pretty equal in terms of quality. To qualify for the Bundesliga, you must have a budget of at least €1 million, something that brings trouble for promoted teams, for example. The smallest budget in the French league is €2.28 million, however, something that would put the team in the middle of the German league in terms of budgets. But this difference may be explained by the extremely high tax rates that French teams have to pay for their players.
So much for tax-free salaries. This always means that the player does not need to pay the taxes himself, but are taken into account by the team and are paid on their behalf.
I have also added up all the budgets to see if the French teams could together pay the salary of Josh Childress; in fact they could, as their combined salaries would be about €21 million.
it doesnt come out of there salary it is added up and then the team pays it
Salaries are also high because there are fewer restrictions on expenditures. While the NBA flourished financially by ensuring that the league’s rising financial tide would continue to lift all league franchises – namely, a salary cap – European clubs are not similarly constrained. “In Europe, an owner can spend as much as he wants. He doesn’t have any limitations. The NBA has limitations: the luxury tax and salary cap,” says Mr. Capicchioni.
He points to other advantages for European players. For instance, clubs often pay taxes on player salaries. An apartment, a car, and airplane tickets are also included in the bargain, according to Capicchioni. “In Europe, we’re always talking net, not gross money,” he says.
so take that 8th deadly sin..and give me my belt back..lol
you need more proof whiteflash or have you finally realized that you dont know what youre talking about
its simple microeconomics-
it doesnt matter who the tax is levied on-the club or the players, because no matter what they share the burden of the tax.
the advantage of playing of a euro contract is that generally you live for free- the team pays for food, travel, living, and even give you a car, so every penny of your contract is profit going in the bank
didnt your post before quicy, same thing
Dude, stop fronting like you played overseas. You're the same clown that said "you don't have to be athletic to win a dunk contest, just jump high" amongst countless other boneheaded comments. You don't understand some very simple concepts and you expect people to believe you actually played? Euro clubs aren't that different than NBA clubs in that they give daily stipends for eating out, help with certain finances, etc... They generally set you up with an apt and car as well. You keep saying "it's a business..." No shit. If Euro clubs payed all taxes then there'd be no NBA 'cause everyone would've gone overseas to make more money. It's that simple. Also, Euro teams are notorious for not paying American players on time, and in some cases at all. Now please stop spitting nonsense all over this board. How many accounts do you have, 4? And you're just as misinformed and full of sh!t in all of 'em.
lol...man no matter how much proof i show you you just cant accpet it can you..i given you plenty of proof from articles to personal experience..i guess you feel the writers of the articles are lying to huh..and yeah if you just high you can win a dunk contest dummy..how many athletic guys that cant jump win a dunk contest..did you even read the proof?..are you that dumb that if someone shows you proof 2 plus 2 is four you still dispute it?
more proof of proball experience and if you need even more proof sign up to it and look at my profile...you see the difference between me and you is im showing proof to back up what i say while you just talking out of you're azz..and no the nba doesnt do the same thing dummy..they dont give you a car and a place you do that on youre own..youre lack of correct info i laughable..jut go ahead and admit you have no idea what youre talking about and youre jut guessing
Your reading comprehension is laughable. I said the NBA gives a per diem for food and other expenditures. Not that they set-up housing and transportation. Hooked-on-phonics works for Q!
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i'm sorry but that comp looked very not-physical, where was that footage taken from