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Rose/Jennings

Im getting tired of beanz816 of posting all these new threads so lets settle this. Just put a <,>, or = sign on who yo think does better at a certtain skill.

Athletically- Rose>Jennings
Ball Handeling- Rose=Jennings
Passing- Rose>Jennings
Defensivly- RoseJennings
3pt range- RoseJennings
Poteintal- Rose=Jennings


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Why is that when I posted

Why is that when I posted this its missing words and its spaced differently than I had it? When I push edit it has like I originaly had it but when I read it on here it looks different.

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Did you just give 3pt range

Did you just give 3pt range to Rose. He is shooting 0% and from the arc, Jennings is shooting 45% how does that work?

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Damn Damn Damn..

you have almost everything wrong.
passing
ballhandling
point guard skills

Jennings is wayyy better in each category i've listed.

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No I gave 3pt range to

No I gave 3pt range to Jennings but like I said in my other post it somehow turned out different than when I orginally tried to post it. These arent my actual picks I have no idea what happened but somehow when I posted this its different than what I tried to post anybody know what happened?

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Do yall know how to read?

Do yall know how to read? Somehow these picks arent what I orginally picked it some how turned out different I have no idea how it happened and when I try to edit it has what I tried to post but it shows up differently on here.

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Hey Jeff416

Listen I need to lose points as fast as possible for a school project. Any tips a pro like you could give to a novice like me?

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Joke Was Corny.

Good Try Though.
"A" For Effort.

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Joke Was Corny.

Good Try Though.
"A" For Effort.

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Joke Was Corny.

Good Try Though.
"A" For Effort.

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Im being serious when I

Im being serious when I started the thread its not what I orginally posted. Can anyone please tell me what happened?

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butidonthavemoney

hahahahahahahahahaha

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Im being serious this isnt a

Im being serious this isnt a joke I wouldnt say a stupid joke like that. Could this be a virus or something?

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I'm gonna go with NBA Draft

I'm gonna go with NBA Draft style categories, with a few more specifics.

Atheticism: Rose > Jennings
Size: Rose > Jennings
Defense: Rose = Jennings
Strength: Rose > Jennings
Quickness: Rose < Jennings
Leadership: Rose > Jennings
Mid Range: Rose = Jennings
Long Range: Rose < Jennings
Ball Handling: Rose = Jennings
Passing: Rose > Jennings
Rebounding: Rose < Jennings
Post Play: Rose > Jennings
Finishing Ability: Rose > Jennings
Basketball IQ: Rose = Jennings

I personally believe that they each have their own strengths. Rose is better at setting up teammates and initiating offense for others, as well as being tougher to stop when he's at the basket, while Jennings is an absolute blur with good range, good passing lane play, and what looks to be an excellent jumpshot. The Kenny Anderson comp was right on for Jennings while Rose is probably a little farther back in terms of his roll. In Milwalkee, they have decided that everything will go through Jennings, especially when Ridnour is the back up point guard and there most reliable scorer outside of Jennings is Andrew bogut. Meanwhile in Chicago has Deng, Salmons, Noah all trying to get shots, and a legit starting PG in Hinrich to give Rose breaks. Jennings has no reigns placed on him by the coaching staff, the exact opposite of what happened in Europe, while Rose (and Flynn and Curry) are all asked to play a much more controlled game with more sets and plays. All in all, its way to early to judge these players because theyre all still developing and improving as players and PGs. But dont forget, Rose looked like the best player on maybe either team during the Chicago-Boston matchup. Those skills and that dominance doesnt just disappear.

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Mkadoza

This Is How It Should Be!

Atheticism: Rose > Jennings..sligh advantage.
Size: Rose > Jennings..size shouldnt be a category.
Defense: Rose = Jennings
Strength: Rose > Jennings
Quickness: Rose < Jennings
Leadership: Rose < Jennings
Mid Range: Rose < Jennings
Long Range: Rose < Jennings
Ball Handling: Rose < Jennings
Passing: Rose < Jennings
Rebounding: Rose < Jennings
Post Play: Rose > Jennings..well he is alot bigger.
Finishing Ability: Rose > Jennings
Basketball IQ: Rose < Jennings

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you trying to hate on

you trying to hate on jennings and your computer has more sense than you and it just messed everything up. cus jennings is just as athletic, passes better, handles better, shoots better, even rebounds better, and has better pg skills

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butidonthavethemoney

i was referring to your joke.

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Nice Joke Jeff

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you trying to hate on

you trying to hate on jennings and your computer has more sense than you and it just messed everything up. cus jennings is just as athletic, passes better, handles better, shoots better, even rebounds better, and has better pg skills

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yes its a virus designed to

yes its a virus designed to alter what you say on nbadraft.net only. what kind of stupid question is that? get outta here dumbass

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Im just going to start over

Im just going to start over im going to use Mkadoza catogories though.

Atheticism: Rose > Jennings
Size: Rose > Jennings
Defense: Rose < Jennings
Strength: Rose > Jennings
Quickness: Rose = Jennings
Leadership: Rose > Jennings
Mid Range: Rose > Jennings
Long Range: Rose < Jennings
Ball Handling: Rose = Jennings
Passing: Rose > Jennings
Rebounding: Rose = Jennings
Post Play: Rose > Jennings
Finishing Ability: Rose > Jennings
Basketball IQ: Rose > Jennings
Scoring: Rose < Jennings

But if some of yall dont belive me there something wrong with my computer or something and it didnt post right. Anyway these were pretty much the answers I had. Can we get back on topic and post who you think does better in each skill?

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Why shouldnt size be a

Why shouldnt size be a category? Are we saying that it doesnt impact the game? Are we saying players like Payton, Kidd, D Williams and Billups dont benefit from this? And what makes you think that he's better from the mid range? Rose was absolutely deadly coming of screens and finishing with a quick pull up or a tear drop last year. Rose hasnt been playing with the same level of explosiveness (thereve been at least ten shots that the Rose of last year would have finished because he was healthier. Rose keeps his dribble alive through contact better than Jennings, so I dont see the ball handling. Jennings will go to his bag of crossovers and fakes more, but Rose is always, ALWAYS under control of his dribble, and once his legs get back under him, I know we'll see the player we saw last year, and by the end of the year when Rose is putting up 18-4-8 on a winning team and jennings is pushin 19-4-6 on a team that will come to earth at least by All Star weekend, we will see whose better.

I still say that Roses poise, feel for the game, and his knack for making the right, winning play is what will make him a top flight point guard. Rose number may never reflect how good he his, like a Roy (I was a slight detractor before, be he's one of the 10, maybe even 5 best closers in the game). I mean Rose has never missed the post season in his basketball career. He's never been on a losing team in his basketball career, and considering how principle he is to his teams success, that stat of wins and loses cannot be overlooked. Rose has always stepped up in big games (minus some freethrows in a certain game, good thing they lost because Memphis would have been even sicker had they taken away a championship, not just an excellent season), and I expect Rose to continue to step up when the chips are down.

And Bigbusiness, for God sake, stop double and triple posting everything. You will only piss people off.

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Hater.

Thats What You Are.
Jenning Is Better Than Rose.
Bottom Line.

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And Don't Compare Him To Brandon Roy..

Ever Again!
But He's Good Though.
Just Not Better Than Jennings.
Thanks.

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He big business, can you

He big business, can you actually refute anything I said or are you just gonna call me a hater? Thats Soulja Boi-esque, while I'm just stating an opinion with evidence I've seen. So I guys you can call me Styles P or Joe Buddens. And capitalizing every word doesnt make it more 'official'. I actually elaborated on my rankings. Itd be nice if you could do the same. Tell me what youve seen in jennings game, not just his stats of box score to put him ahead of Rose.

And why not compare him to Roy? I just said that their number will never show just how good they are, which is a plenty fair assertion. You need to check yourself before you wreck yourself.

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Your Just Lame..

soulja boy?whack.
1.better ball handler..jennings is smoother and controls the ball better.
2.better passing..i don't have to say anything about that.
3.better shooter..stats dont lie
4.rebounding..stats dont lie
5.defense is even.

and no capital letters.
you don't know basketball.

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and dnt use rap to help your

and dnt use rap to help your argument next time.
thank you.

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and dnt use rap to help your

and dnt use rap to help your argument next time.
thank you.

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and dnt use rap to help your

and dnt use rap to help your argument next time.
thank you.

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The rap wasn't used to help

The rap wasn't used to help my argument, it was for my own enjoyment, and seeing you triple post in response to it made it all the more worth it. I didn't say don't use caps. I just want, you know, proper grammar, punctuation and sentence structure. Not that hard...

Now on to the "me not knowing basketball" which is in and of itself laughable. Number one, your basing your arguement of off six games. To take a six game stretch in an 82 game season and already proclaim a player better than the reigning Rookie of the Year is a joke. To say you 'don't have to say anything' about what make Brandon Jennings a better passer is a joke. To say that I don't know basketball when you've lost 20 points on your one liners while posting absolutely nothing of substance... you guessed it!.. is a joke. So when Jennings has a full seasons worth of experience, possibly enduring the rookie wall and Rose has returned to form, then talk to me. Until then, you've proven your stupidity this time. You got it... you win.

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Oh

There he goes! Talking about rap again! That is sooo like him. He clearly doesn't know anything about basketball.

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Jennings as the 10th pick

Jennings as the 10th pick has no pressure on him compared to Rose at the 1st pick.
Also Jennings seems to have control of the team meaning he can take whatever shot he wants.

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Wtf..

why are ya'll so corny?
and i triple posted it so you will never ever do it again.
and..i use one-liners because this &$#%#&@! is simple.Brandon Jennings is better.

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I don't know if Rose is a

I don't know if Rose is a better athlete, he's just bigger/longer. Jennings catches windmills and through-the-legs dunks at about 3" shorter. I definitely wouldn't call Rose a better leader either. Rose has alot more talent on his side and his team is playing worse. Seems to me a good floor leader would get the most out of a squad that talented. I've said it since the day I signed up and I'll say it 'til I leave: Jennings will go down as the best player from this class. I also think he'll be competing with Chris Paul as the best pg in the game within the next few years. I think he has the game to pass him, actually.

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See, whiteflash, those are

See, whiteflash, those are legitimate points, and I can see why you'd feel that way. I feel Rose's combination of strength and explosiveness (only 2 inches taller, 20 pounds heavier and can get his head at the rim if he uses his full explosiveness) makes him a superior athlete, but because of his tendency not to force things make those feats of athleticism less frequent (the injury hasn't helped). As for leadership, I think the leader is the new coach trying to implement his sets. The Bulls have never has a prolific offense and their half court has very little fluidity, as Salmons needs the ball in his hands to score and pass, Deng doesnt pass too much either, and Noah's basketball IQ is very low (gets by on hustle and heart alone, has plenty of it though.) Rose still has boatloads of untapped potential, and Paul does too for that matter, so passing him is gonna be tough. I can understand your feelings though.

Dont forget, Rose started his NBA career hot, shooting 40% from three for the first month or so. And again its been six games. Before that he got no burn in Italy, so lets wait a bit before anointing him.

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Head at the rim is a bit

Head at the rim is a bit hyperbolic, but you bring a valid point. Rose is definitely stronger and handles contact better, and he can also take that contact and get a shot up while Jennings gets sent to the floor. Still, Jennings has at least the same leaping ability if not more, is quicker/faster and handles the ball better allowing him to display that speed/quickness more. I like Rose and will be the first to admit he did WAY better than I thought he would last year. I just think Jennings has the makings of a game changer. He believes in himself the way all the great ones did/do, and barring something tragic I think the kid will be a name that goes down in the books. People seem to be looking for a comparison, and from where I sit he's looking like a new age Tiny Archibald, bringing major hops and a wet jumper to the mix.

Also, how many threes was Rose shooting to hit that 40% early on? I seriously doubt it was near the same volume that Jennings puts 'em up at.

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what does having pressure of

what does having pressure of being a certain pick have to do with this arguement..if youre good youre good..if you cant handle the pressure then there shouldnt be a arguement for you...how about pressure of proving you belong in the nba if we are gonna do the pressure thing?..or the pressure of showing everyone you should have been drafted at 10 because alot of people didnt believe he was good enough to get drafted that high after how he played in europe and some of the bad press...also jennings is 6'1.5 and rose is 6'2.5..rose is only a inch taller not that it matters too much...and mkadoza did you make the rose how shooting from three up?...cuz i just looked it up and he shot 6 for 17 for the first month of the season which is 35percent..that far from a hot shooting start

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jennings also got more then

jennings also got more then no burn..he got 19min a game which was fifth most on his team

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not sure if ya'll have

not sure if ya'll have watched jennings but while hes getting hit to the floor hes also getting that shot up and making it..ala iverson.as long as he continues to do that the size thing wont matter..and rose didnt shoot alot of threes because hes not a good three point shooter..shot 35percent the first month and finished shooting 22percent

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Derrick Rose

Brandon Jennings is an amazing, amazing talent. But Rose is special in a different way. While Jennings will dazzle you, Rose will win you championships.

Rose will also get the stats though. Are there really a lot of doubters that he'll be averaging 20, 6, and 8 soon with a steal, maybe a block? He's playing on a bad ankle, just getting warmed up and also on a loaded Bulls team. 6 or 7 games of Brandon Jennings and all of a sudden he's a better leader than Derrick Rose who took The Bulls to game 7 against the defending champions?

I also think Derrick Rose is just as quick. Seriously, you all are underestimating Derrick Rose! I'd never thought I'd have to say that, but some people are so narrow minded.

Both are all stars in my opinion, but like I said, Jennings will wow you, Rose will bring you rings.

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I'm sorry, but this is

I'm sorry, but this is retarded. As I already mentioned Rose has alot more to work with and is doing less. Jennings is leading a [let's be honest] mediocre Bucks squad to a winning record. Rose is taking a talented Bulls squad.... Nowhere. The Bulls got jobbed by the refs last year, but if they don't get their sh!t together they'll be drafting in the late lottery. Claiming Rose will win you a championship when he's done nothing except get played to a standstill by Rondo is so stupid I can't believe someone actually posted that. I like Rose and believe he'll be a top point guard in the league, but Jennings has the game to be THE top point guard in the league. Huge difference.

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i think the ankle thing

i think the ankle thing needs to not be disscussed anymore..is it still hurting?..prob but most nba players play with pain..but i dont see it as being that big of a deal because hes driving past people while pushing off on that ankle, hes not limping, and hes dunking while jumping off that ankle..as far as win champion ships i dont see anything that says he wins championships any more then jennings unless he plays on a good championship team...those stats you just named is what jennings is almost averaging as a rookie..i think hes at 20 with 4.5 reb and 5ast and a steal as rookie and leading the bucks to wins with a worst team then rose had last year...i think rose will still be a star but i just think jennings will be better....whats not being noticed with rose though is the lost of ben gordan has really hurt his game..im not sure how much of a scorer rose will be because hes never been a top notch scorer other then a few out burst in his career from hs to now..not that he doesnt have it in him(maybe he doent) but that doesnt seem to be in his makeup..but hes also not someone who gets a bunch of assist either...rose did play well against bosoton although that wasnt the defending champs with out kg in the game and ben gordan had allllllllot to do with them being in that series

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Flaw

The main flaw I see in your arguement is that Jennings has 6 games under his belt, 4-2. Let's talk at the end of the season, see if the Bucks are in the playoff hunt...

But I want to make it clear, Brandon Jennings is amazing and I think the best player in the draft arguably. I also believe he's a top 10 or so point guard

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You're telling me my

You're telling me my arguement is flawed, yet you claim "Rose will bring you championships" when he hasn't been out of the first round and his team - and him -isn't playing up to it's ability? That makes no sense. I like Rose, but anybody with two eyes in their head and a brain behind those eyes can see that Jennings is already more complete than Rose and has more overall potential than not only Rose, but any other pg in the league.

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No

You're just blinded by Jennings amazing start. Rose went to the championship game in the NCAA and almost took the defending champs to gave 7 in the playoffs. Yea, he hasn't won a championship, but his credentials in terms of winning are a lot better than Jennings, I don't see how you can deny this.

You're making me come off as if I think Jennings is some slouch, I don't but no one here is really defending Rose, so I felt I should.

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I know jennings pass better

I know jennings pass better

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3point range ROse ,

3point range ROse , STEALS???? ROse?? man Rose is coming to be the STAR but that's not make him better than he IS
his steals was under 1! while Jennings has potential to be great is this category, 3pt Jennings shoots well(actually now very very well) while Rose still struggling

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this is the nba so whatever

this is the nba so whatever someone does in college is irrelevent. and rose is good no one is saying that and he helped lead the bulles to a lmost upset of boston( they wrent the real boson or defending champs with garnett not playing but ben gordan is the one that actually led them. personally i dont think hes better then rose right now because rose has been in the nba for a year but i think in the future he will be better and i cant discount the business he gave him in the head to head match up or the fact that the bucks have a better record so far( told people the bulls would miss ben gordan alot more then they thought and his absence would hurt roses game)

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Blinded by his fast start?

Blinded by his fast start? Did you not notice people killing me on here for saying Jennings will be the best player from this class before the summer league even started? It's pretty clear one of us knows basketball and the other likes to hear his own voice. Keep talking chatty Cathy.

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its not just jennings fast

its not just jennings fast start though..other players have had fast starts but people dont give them the praise ..its the way he does it and the top pg he does it against while also winning games that even bucks fans didnt expect them too win....im going on a limb and say they have a chance to make the playoffs if they dont lose too many before micheal redd comes back because this team plays very good defense and have a couple players who may not be that great or real good but they play there role

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