Hey, where are all of those guys who were posting one thread after another about their boy BJ Mullens last spring, telling everybody how great he was going to be in the NBA?
If you will remember, there were guys like me who said Mullens was lost out on the court at Ohio State and wasn't even ready for the Big Ten, forget about the NBA. Many people on this site agreed, saying BJ Mullens was one guy who should have stayed in college at least one additional, and probably 2 more years.
Now I'm predicting that BJ Mullens will be another one of those physically gifted athletes, who had great potential, but never came close to reaching that tremendous potential. I hope I'm wrong, but unfortunately he will probably become a ten year bench warmer.
Personally, never thought to much of him, but I am dissapointed
For a guy that was the #1 freshman going into college, he sure hasnt come close to expectations at any level
Another year...or 2, of college is what he really needed, but decided to rush it...and now he cant find playtime at a position that his team desperately needs (i mean..Etan Thomas and Nenad Krstic arent amazing players...)
I think the game is just to fast for him right now, it was 2 fast in college, and even faster now....he has the ability to keep up, just not the mindset
And another thing...didnt the Thunder trade Rodrigue Beabous for him? lol
The NBA graveyard is littered with guys who had tremendous physical ability but lacked the mental skills, understanding of the game, and/or the kind of discipline it takes to succeed in the best league on the planet.
You're right, when Etan Thomas and Nenad Kristic keep you glued to the bench, you're in sad shape.
You're also right in that he was terrible at Ohio State. I remember reading all of the hype about him before he came to Ohio State, whereby everyone said he was much more talented than Kosta Koufas, his predecessor at center, and he could become the best big man in the country. I was really excited and couldn't wait to watch him play. Unfortunately I couldn't believe what I was seeing. he had no clue, the young man was completely lost out on the court. He was so clueless that his coach benched him during the last 5 minutes of the games I watched.
OK, was he the first freshman who failed? Of course not, there is nothing wrong with having a hard time your freshman year. You are so young and inexperienced that first season out of high school, but at least be smart enough to realize you need one or two more years in college to learn the game before trying to compete against the best in the world.
Yea they did lol....and BJ Mullens has all the potential to be a top 10 center in the NBA, but he has doesn't have the basketball IQ or offensive game to get there ala Kwame Brown (who he's always been eerily similar to to me). I don't think we can expect more than exactly what Kwame is doing right now from Mullens in the future: providing decent rebounding, post D, and basic catch and finishes offensively.
some players have all the physical gifts in the world but the IQ of a newborn and hes one of them. at least nobody wasted a high pick on him and the expectations are VERY LOW so maybe he turns into a decent role player for some reason this year the thunder are trying to win and are playing their rookies very lil this year.
yeah teh thunder should have kept beaubois .
Wow, you guys are honestly judging him already? I'm not a fan or detractor of his, but it was clear that nobody should have expected anything from him as a rookie. I seriously doubt OKC drafted him with expectations that he would help any time soon.
llperez22, for me the major point of this thread was leaving school way too early, it isn't a question of making a final judgment on the guy two weeks into his rookie season. BJ Mullens was a guy who couldn't compete in the Big Ten, that's why he didn't play during crunch time at the end of games last year. Mullens should have never left after his freshman year. Once again, that was my main point and it's a mistake that is final, he can't go back and correct it.
We had a number of people on this website who were talking about how good he was going to be in the NBA. Who knows llperez22? Maybe that will happen, but I doubt it. I happen to think leaving school prematurely will set him back years, if not longer, and he may never reach his potential. I hope I'm wrong and he turns into the kind of player that matches his physical talent, but that would be a huge surprise for me.
Writing the story of this kid's demise during his rookie season... Wow.
He's definitely a prospect, but let's at least give him a chance. It's early.
rtbt-for one, I think when a player leaves early and is not ready, as long as they are a first rounder, then I don't have a problem with it. These guys can develop while getting paid. Just look at the guy in my picture(Toby Bailey), I bet he wish he left after his freshman year.
As for you titling this thread "Where all his supporters Now", that implies to me that you think something has been proven about him already this early. Honestly, I thought it was very obvious with Mullens that he wouldn't see the court his rookie year. This start to the season doesn't change anything about Mullens in my eyes. I would be shocked if he did beat out guys like Collison or Thomas.
You might very well be correct in saying he should have gone back to school or will not make it, but we can't know based on this. Guys like Mullens, Holiday and Daye were expected to take time when they were drafted.
lperez22, you're right, in retrospect I should have chosen a different title. It is obviously far too early to declare his demise as a player.
However, last spring I was irritated because every day a new BJ Mullens thread would pop up with guys telling us how great he was going to be in the NBA. It was very frustrating to read that kind of hype day after day because it didn't jive with reality. Anyone with an IQ above 50 could tell he wasn't ready to compete in the Big Ten, let alone the NBA. So that title was kind of a small payback, a little bit of I told you so, and yes it is also way too early to draw that kind of conclusion.
In my opinion, one can rarely duplicate the kind of attention to detail, fundamentals, and the experience playing major college basketball provides for young men. I don't think young NBA players get the same kind of attention and training they receive in college. In the pros they assume you already know the fundamentals and you're expected to produce.
Even Kobe Bryant probably realized he would have been a better player and more prepared for the NBA if he went to college for a couple of years. Of course with his talent and intelligence, he still managed to succeed big time.
yeah, I was also one of those guys who was not big on Mulens in college. He was getting pushed around a lot and was not a factor. But 7 footers who are athletic always get a look from NBA GM's. I actually liked what I saw from him in the Orlando Summer league. He made some nice offensive moves and hit some turn around fade aways from 10-15 feet. His touch on his shot looked promising. I have no idea if he will ever make it.
As for guys leaving school early, it varies from guy to guy. Some leave early and get abused by pro's and they lose their confidence and never develope. Others are pushed and take the time to get better. While there are plenty of guys who leave too early, there also guys who stay too long and go from an intriguing young prospect to a bust within 3-4 years of college ball. I can't be mad at guys who know they are a 1st rounder jumping on that money before it dissapears, even if they would benefit from some more development in college.
llperez22, I'm not universally opposed to guys leaving early, it's different for everyone. In the case of BJ Mullens it was just so obvious he needed at least one more year at Ohio State. His predecessor at center was Kosta Koufas and he had a much greater skill level than Mullens. He left after his freshman year and I think that was a mistake even though he was so much more advanced than BJ Mullens at the same stage of their careers.
Derrick Rose wasn't really a student, he was a "One and Done" guy from the beginning, but he was ready. Blake Griffin left after his sophomore year and that was the right move. I think Tyler Hansbrough could have left any time after his sophomore year and he would have been ready. Kevin Durrant left after his freshman year and that was a very good decision.
And then there's a much longer list of guys who left early and failed. On balance, I think most guys need at least 2 to 3 years of college ball, but there is a small handful of elite athletes who can leave early and succeed at the next level.
I think they were talking about how good he will be, I was high on him but I did not expect him to get minutes his first year at all. Also he is behind veterans that can teach him stuff and if he can add that stuff to his physical abilities, he will be nice. Thabeet went number 2 and I doubt he puts up numbers this year
I've read that mullens went into the draft because he needed to support his family...apparently they were, not to sound insensitive, very poor. You can't expect a guy to stay in college when he has the opportunity to make 7 seven figures when his family is struggling to get by.
Give the kid a few more years before you make judgment on him. He's barely been on the floor since high school can you really judge his skills right now anyway?
Fastdan, you raised a very important issue reference his family situation, please allow me to respond.
1. Up until this point in the thread, I was talking solely from a basketball point of view, I wasn't including non-basketball issues in my assessment.
2. Since you brought up his financial situation, let me say the young man took the short term view.
If BJ Mullens stayed at Ohio State one more year, he would have almost certainly developed into a much better player. He's 7 feet tall and extremely athletic, so with another year of experience and development, he would be selected much higher in the next draft. Based upon past draft history with big men, he possibly could have been the number one selection and would therefore make significantly more money than a 15th choice.
Obviously I'm not in his situation, so it's easy for me to make judgments. However, I look at it from both a common sense and what I think is a pragmatic point of view. You already made it 18 or 19 years with your family, why can't you stay in college just one more year like a lot of other poor kids and develop your skills? You finished your freshman year, what's 12 more months when the rewards could be so much greater? In the end, both you and your family will be far better off and probably set for life.
they kid i way raw and not that good right now but saying when ethan and kristic keeps you to the bench is very disrespectful to there game..ethan ha been a very good defensive player so far this year while kristic is almost pouring in 10ppg on a team that has 3 other guys capable of dropping 30 on a given night..its not like hes has a thabeet/deandre jordan,or a darko playing ahead of him
give it a rest rtbt. You come on here talking all pompus and up yourself, but you don't even know his situation. He signed a guarenteed rookie contract for just over $1 million a year. Who cares if he could have earned more in the future? The fact is he is now a millionaire and can look after his family. If he stayed at Ohio State another year he could have blown out his knee (for example) and never been drafted. Now he has the chance to practice with NBA players everyday and save his family. Good on him.
Hey Alchemist, it's OK to disagree but where or why are you coming up with this pompous stuff? I'm talking basic choices, which means making smart decisions for himself and his family. Check out the logic below and any responsible adviser would have told him to stay in school. In fact, almost everyone was telling him to stay.
BJ Mullens will be paid slightly more than $3 million dollars over the first 3 years of his contract as the 15th choice in the draft. I agree, that's a lot of money but that was a short term view of his financial opportunities.
If BJ Mullens stayed in school one more year, there was an excellent chance he would be selected first or second in next spring's NBA Draft, which will be here before you know it. Alchemist, his 3 year salary would be $15 million plus. I'm sure you went to school so you can do the math yourself.
And that's only the first 3 years, if you keep projecting out his salary over a normal ten year career, that move could wind up costing him a lot more than the $12 million he's missing out on now.
there was not a excellent chance he was gonna be top 2 pick and his play indicated as much. he wasnt a hard worker what so ever and not as talented against college talent as he was against hs talent...theres zero indication that he would have been a top 2,5,10,20 pick
yeah, There's a good chance Mullens would have got exposed even more as a sophomore and his stock might have either stayed the same or went down. Also, while rtbt makes a valid point about making more money had he gone higher, you also have to take into account that the sonner you enter the league the sooner you get out of that rookie contract and get to sign that second bigger contract in the nba, so long term it might still work out for him. He got his money while he still had the whole highschool hype surrounding him. I can't blame him for that. If I knew I was a lock for the first round, you better believe I would go get paid before returning to school.
Mulllens is a gifted athlete who happens to be a legitimate 7 feet tall. In other words, he has lots of talent/potential. He had a terrible freshman season where he spent about half the game on the bench and was rarely in at the end of games during crunch time. It was my observation that he was clueless as a freshman and didn't understand the game and/or his role.
And that's not unusual, in fact it's fairly typical, most guys need that freshman season to adjust to college basketball. That's why I said he should've returned for another year. Hopefully you agree with me so far, now let me get to my point.
LLperez22, here's the logic behind my argument.
If he was taken number 15 after such an atrocious freshman season, with all of that physical talent, he had to improve his sophomore year. I just can't imagine him getting worse. His lackluster freshman season was a result of inexperience, not knowing his role on the court. Those are the kinds of things that are easily corrected by a 2nd year of experience and hard work. You see it at just about every school in the country, guys who come back for the sophomore season are almost always vastly improved.
Therefore, if Mullens comes out after his sophomore season as a much improved player, he would definitely go significantly higher than he did last spring. And as you know, big men are hard to find, so there's a very good chance he would go in the top 3, maybe even number 1. It's not as if there's much competition at the center position this year.
If Mullens gets into the top 3 draft choices, he will earn $5 million per year his first 3 years in the league which comes to a total of $15 million. That is 5 times more than the $1 million per year he will make after being drafted in the 15th slot. Hmmmmmmm, do I want $15 million or $3 million over a 3 year period?
In addition, sitting on the end of the bench will not reap any product endorsements. If he comes out after his sophomore season and does well, he could also make $5 to $10 million in endorsements.
In my opinion, the choice is a no brainer. Is there a certain amount of risk? Of course, there are very few guarantees in life, but the odds would have been very high in his favor.
All of the above was strictly financial, now from a basketball point of view, he's currently glued to the bench. If he went back to school, he would be playing every game and learning a lot more than he will sitting at the end of the OKC bench. And as we all know, you learn a lot more by playing than watching.