James Harden Overrated?
Prior to the draft last spring, I debated with several forum members about James Harden. They had him ranked very high while I said he was overrated because he lacked certain fundamentals and an understanding of the game. In my opinion, taking him with the 3rd choice was a mistake by the Thunder, so in that regard, being a top 3 choice, I thought he was overrated. That doesn't mean he won't be a good player, I simply think he went too high in the draft.
Oklahoma is one of many NBA teams that are never on national TV, so I haven't seen him play this year. However, the stats indicate he's off to a very slow start, averaging only 5 ppg and shooting a miserable 35% from the field. One of the things that makes a number 3 draft choice special is the fact that he can usually contribute early in his career. However, I realize Harden's a rookie, it's early in the season and we have a long way to go, so I don't want to draw any final conclusions at this point in time.
For those of you you who actually get to see Oklahoma play on TV, can you please give me your impressions of Harden so far?
I dont think he's overrated..U have to give him time..Remember Kobe & T-Mac had terrible rookie seasons...
this guy shows his playmaking ability for SG which is just impressive , all-around game also good in that PT..as for shooting % it's same like Westbrook in pre-season , he just need to get consistent minutes and FGA, and his % would be over 45 IMO
The Thunder have enough depth at Sg they don't have to throw him in the starting lineup and see what happens. They are trying to ease him along and it is working. Last night, in 19 minutes, he had 5 points 5 assists 4 rebounds and 2 steals, also 0 turnovers. He has all the tools to become a good player and I think he will, by the end of this season his numbers and minutes will be higher and it wouldn't surprise me if he was starting or a 6th man by Feb.
he actually looks pretty good..hes not blazing in the stats department but hes still learning and when hes out there he looks like he gets it more and more everytime
I think his strength is his all around game, understanding and playmaking ability, although he doesn't do any one think really well. I think over time he'll be a nice piece of the puzzle in OKC. #3 overall might seem too high but the only other players that justified being picked that high were point guards and okc has westbrook running the point.
Harden is looking fine. He is so undr control and plays with the decision making of a veteran. He doesn't force anything. I've seen him quite a bit this season, and he is able to knock down open jumpers, but his pull up off the dribble is struggling right now. His passing and defense is solid. If he was being thrown out there, his numbers would be more impressive.
i think they are doing the right thing by bringing hi along slowly and help build up his confidence..he prob would score more but hed also give up more on defense and turn the ball over more. eventually he will overtake that spot but right now they dont need him to since they are still rebuilding and are young
harden will be remembered for the guy who was picked before tyreke evans. but i think he''ll still be pretty good
will also be remebered as being a very good pro
I have seen all there games and he is playing alright for the amount of time that he is getting. He is a solid player right now not over doing it and playing his role well as a rookie.
I watched Harden play in college and he didn't impress me as a top 3, or even a top 5 draft choice. I can see why people think he'll be a solid pro some day, but I'm still having a hard time figuring out why they took him with the 3rd overall choice in the draft. When I watched him in college, every time he got the ball he put his head down and drove to the basket. While driving to the basket is a good thing, he didn't impress me with his overall skill level and understanding/feel for the game.
By the way, I think Oklahoma blew their other first round draft choice by taking BJ Mullens, who will always be remembered as a guy with great potential, that left Ohio State far too early. I'm guessing that Mullens will be a career journeyman and will never amount to anything more than a guy who plays 10-12 minutes per game.
I didn't watch much of Harden in college, but I've caught him a few times in the NBA. I like him. He's just not playing as much as other rookies. Thabo Sefolosha is playing extremely well right now, especially on the defensive end. I think OKC has the luxury of bringing Harden along slowly.
Harden has a lot of good qualities. He has good size at 6' 5" 220. He's tough and plays the game with passion. He does everything well for the most part. He moves without the ball well, can catch and shoot, shoot off the dribble, drive, pass and play defense. I don't think he's going to be an all-star type of player, but I think he's going to be a very good all-around player... A perfect fit on OKC. He'll compliment Durant, Westbrook and Green VERY well.
As far as Mullens, he hasn't played enough in the NBA yet for me to make an accurate assessment. I watched him at Ohio State though and I wasn't impressed. I think he'll be a project like his previously drafted Ohio State buddy Kosta Koufos.
I agree with u rtbt he really didnt show me anything in college either I watched a lot of his games but for the role that he is playing in oklahoma he is doing alright he is not the star or anything he is just a contributer. And u are also right abou Mullens he gets no PT at all.
I watched Harden a ton in college and I thought he was a little overrated. I still think that DeRozan will end up the better player. But Harden was a very young sophomore. He has a great understanding of the game and his spot up shot with his feet set is great. He just doesn't blow by guys and finish real strong in the paint. But he has great IQ and doesn't try and force things. He should be a great fit alongside Durant and Westbrook. His passing is also very good.
Idk what y'all didn't see in college. Maybe it's the fact that he doesn't play over the rim or that he doesn't look real athletic fools alot of people. He's a good player with a super polished skill-set. He's probably not a top-3 pick that he was draft as, but alot of that had to do with the even talent pool after the 1st pick (Blake Griffin). He could develop into a 15 ppg scorer with about 4 or 5 rebounds and assists for good measure at his best. He's going to be a role player, probably a 2nd option at best, who's going to surprise you guys that think he's overrated and was "unimpressive" in college.
Harden does not play the minutes you would expect a 3rd pick to get. He is an excellent passer and his defense has improved tremendously. He is not scoring the way you expect because he doesn't need to score because that is what KD, Jeff, Russ, and now Nenad is doing for the Thunder. But he does show flashes of what h will be. So give him time.
I don't think anybody in this thread said he wasn't a good player or he wouldn't make it in the NBA. I said Harden was overrated as a number 3 overall pick in the draft.
When I think of a guy going number 3, I think of players who are very special. They have that something extra that makes you stop for a moment and ask yourself, "Did he really do that?" Guys like Derrick Rose and Tyreke Evans did that in college, but I never saw Harden do anything that would me think he was very special.
OK, let me repeat, nobody is saying Harden won't be a good NBA player, he just won't be the kind of elite player one expects from a top 3 draft choice. Teams don't have an opportunity to draft one of the top 3 players in the world very often, so they should take advantage of that rare opportunity.
The fact that he went #3 in the draft doesn't make him overrated, especially when most thought that Blake Griffin was the only "franchise player" in the draft at the time (I've always thought Jennings would be the best player in that draft). But where he was selected had more to do with a very modest pool of players coming out with him.
I agree, it was essentially a weak draft pool, but I felt there were other players I would have taken before Harden and nothing's happened to change my mind.
I know there are some Harden lovers on this website, and that's OK, but as I said earlier, I think he will become a very good NBA player, but nothing special. Even though it was a weak draft pool, I'm still having a hard time visualizing him going so early.
I'm telling you, players like him tend to surprise. The guys that have polished floors games at their positions and play with fundamentals (Kobe,Tim Duncan, Paul Pierce, Brandon Roy, Chauncey Billups etc.) are the best winners and can do better than alot of the more flashy players in the game. Who knows, with his polished game, he could put up Paul Pierce type numbers and blow my predicted stats for him out of the water.
iguodala9, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he became as good as you described. I'm always telling people you shouldn't judge someone after the first 2 weeks of the season, so I want to be consistent.
iguodala9, I also wouldn't be surprised if Harden became a decent pro or simply a good role player. My mind and opinion is still wide open with him, so I will wait to see a lot more before making a judgment. But something tells me Harden will never live up to the expectations of being the third choice in the draft.
exacty you have to take the taletn pool ito consideration and also the teams nedds..the team didnt need another guard who needed the ball to be effective or couldnt shoot(evans) they needed a guard who could hit the open shots was sound fundamentally with good defense and could think the game of basketball....so they got the perfect fit in harden...its easy to think evans is better since hes on a team where he can shoot all day. evans isnt as effective when hes on ta team where he isnt a first or second option. he plays much better when the ball is in his hands and hes the first option which he would never be in okc(or second or third option)
completely agree with the post above by qh
I hate when people do that just because he isn't putting up big numbers they say hes overrated or so..and besides its about 6 freakin games into the season how the hell could you overrate him already? Okc doesn't need him to put up big numbers right now Dirant,Westbrook, n Green or doing just fine of a job at that. He is there to develop and play his role as of right now in a year or 2 you will see his full game. Besides in short minutes he puts up numbers in every category so imagine when he is playin about 30 or more minutes?
youngmag, please take it in context. In general I would agree with what you wrote and you did make some good points.
Of course it's very early in his career, but I'm only saying Harden is overrated for the number 3 choice in the draft. I happen to think that if you're selecting in the top 3, you need a very special player. I don't think Harden is that special type of player, so only from that perspective do I think he's overrated. And that's my opinion, that's why we have sites like this so people can express what they're thinking.
Having said that, it doesn't mean Harden won't be a good fit for OKC down the road.
Hes worth the number 3 pick because he is the best all around sg in this draft and he fits there team perfectly,he isn't greedy he doesn't have to score to be effective,he is sneaky athletic can pass and a pretty decent rebounder at his position. Every other sg in the draft is just scorers thats all they are good at he is well rounded and it will translate especially for Okc soon.
youngmag, that's what I'm talking about, the whole idea of sites like this is to debate personal points of view. I think Harden is overrated as a number 3 pick while you think he deserved to go in that slot. It will be interesting to see how that turns out.
As I mentioned before, I think a number 3 overall choice should be playing more and producing more, even this early in the season. That's part of what makes such a high draft choice so special. But let's give it time and we'll see who's right.
If thats the case Minny should have drafted him but they couldn't because the Kings wanted him...he was the best player at the moment and fits there team they didn't need no bum like Thabeet or any one else that was there...you gotta look at it like that.
Not every player adjusts to the NBA so quickly, hes a rookie and is playing a fair amount of minutes. What do you want him to do score 20? He has Durant, Green and Westbrook on his team that are consistent scorers and he doesn't start anyway.He is doing well from what I have seen from him. It has been previously stated that he isn't in a consistent rotation for them but once he is fitted in it or is even given a starting role he will be productive, nothing too major but will definitely be a big factor in the game. In the long run he was a good choice for the Thunder therefore don't condemn them for picking him.