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Who's leading the race between Eric Gordon and OJ Mayo in year two?

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Who's leading the race between Eric Gordon and OJ Mayo in year two?

I thought I'd bring this up considering the Clippers and the Grizzlies just played last night. The Clippers won 113-110. Both teams were on the second games of back to backs, but here are the stat lines of both players:

Gordon had 15 PTS on 5-12 FG (3-8 3-PT), 2-2 FT, 2 REB (0 OFF REB), 6 AST, 4 TO, 3 STL, 0 BLK and 1 foul... 41 mins played.

Mayo had 8 PTS on 4-12 FG (0-1 3-PT), 0-0 FT, 7 REB (2 OFF REB), 4 AST, 2 TO, 0 STL, 0 BLK and 5 fouls. 37 minutes played.

Niether played played a great game, but Gordon outplayed Mayo. Gordon defended Mayo extremely well and other than one jumpshot he made, Mayo had trouble getting free. Gordon held Mayo to only 2 first half points. Though Gordon didn't light it up like he's been doing, Mayo had trouble containing Gordon. Gordon's advantage in athleticism and first step was clearly evident.

Here are their statistics for the regular season:

Mayo - http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3450

Gordon - http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3431

This season is still very young, but as of right now... Who do you think is leading the race between Gordon and Mayo?


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As of right now I think its

As of right now I think its Gordon but I do think OJ will pick it up and have the better season.

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Gordon

It has to be Gordon. He is putting up numbers like Mayo but he is doing it so more efficiently by taking about 4 shots less than Mayo a game.

Not only that but his team is actually winning (Very happy to be able to say that. 3 straight W's and counting) of which he has a lot to do with.

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man i was pretty

man i was pretty dissapointed in that match up..gordan out played him but neither played well at all really..i guess that happens when 2 real good players match up against each other...im hopeing to see a better match up next time they play against each other

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as for now Gordon easily

as for now Gordon easily enough..same scoring numbers with better shooting, it could be predictable but how about almost 1 more apg by Eric?

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Mayo did explode for 40

Mayo did explode for 40 points in a loss against the at-the-time undefeated Denver Nuggets

But as of now Gordon is still have a better season, But regardless, I think this will be a fun matchup to watch for the next decade

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I agree... It's Gordon

I agree... It's Gordon easily right now. Gordon has been the better, more consistent and efficient offensive player. Gordon has struggled from the free-throw line shooting 70%, which is uncharacterisic, but he's shooting 50% from the field and 46% from 3-point. Gordon hasn't attempted more than 15 shots in a game so far. And as usual Gordon is getting to the free-throw line more. Gordon has also been better on the defensive side of the ball.

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Gordon

His team has more offensive weapons, and he still scores more. He does it more efficiently, heis athletic, and a better defender than Mayo. Mayo wouldn't put up the numbers he does on a better team.

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gordan is playing better i

gordan is playing better i have to admit..i cant say mayo wouldnt be able to put up the ame number son a better team because no one knows that since it hasnt happen..all we can do is speculate and guess..but theres no guessing as far as whos better right now..i still say mayo is better int he long run but i cant make a reasonable arguement about whos better right now

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Head-to-Head: Clippers win

It's only one game in an early season, though. These two guys can really score, but I think Gordon is the better player because he has a more aggresive and efficient game. He can get to the line when his jumper isn't falling, which is a big advantage over O.J Mayo.

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One thing i like about OJ's

One thing i like about OJ's game over EJ's is his willingness to mix it up with the BIGS and rebound...But i think EJ is showing that he is just as good an all round player as OJ

that being said i think they were both too unselfish last night,both to a fault...There is no way that Rasool Butler(im really starting to hate this guy,his D is really over rated) should be taking more shots than EJ.I really want to see EJ develop that killer instinct and demand the ball.Have him and Kaman matchup on the same side of the floor and make the D pick there posion

Also i dont think OJ and Rudy can co exsist...they both want to be the man and thats just gonna hurt the team in the long run

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i remember everybody calling

i remember everybody calling me out for saying gordon was better and that i was just being a homer, but guess what, it looks like I was right.

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wouldnt quiet say that yet

wouldnt quiet say that yet seeing as its only been one year and a couple game clippers...if thats the case i should probably start saying that alot of players i named are better then a.randolph or that bayless is a journey man since so far neither has done awhole lot....and yeah lazerous i noticed gordan hasnt shown that killer instinct..he only takes a certain amount of shots it seems and doesnt have that " im the most talented guy out here so imma take over the game" attitude

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I agree with Lazarus, he

I agree with Lazarus, he stated 1 very very valid fact. Gordon has no killer instinct what-so-ever and Mayo absolutely does.

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Are you serious? Killer

Are you serious? Killer instinct? Gordon has plenty of killer instinct. Mayo plays on a team full of young guys. Of course he's going to demand shots. Gordon plays on a team full of veterans with strong personalities.

If Gordon played for the Grizzlies, he would be averaging 20+.

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im not sure he does..the one

im not sure he does..the one complaint i hear is how he doesnt try to take over the game enough or only take 14attempts or less in a game...if he was playing on a good team like bosotn then the fg attempts would make sense...he plays for the clippers who arent a very good team and shouldbe getting that 20ppg that he would get on the grizz....its not liek he doesnt have the talent to get 25ppg. killer instinct also has more to do with just how many ppg he gets and more to taking over the game during cruntch time or during long periods of the game

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Look Im EJ's biggest fan and watched him since at IU

but his nature is very shy and it shows up on the court also unfortunately...theres too many times when passes up shots or lets his team mates forget he's on the court...the prior two games to the Memphis game EJ scored 12 points in the first quarter(going perfect from the field i think) only to get very few touches the rest of the game and almost disappear as a perimiter option in the fourth quarter

I do think the fact,that was stated above,that Gordon plays with more established vetrans has something to do with it,espically with black holes like Baron Davis and Rasaul Butler,but theres times where he stands in the corner and dosent do anything after scroing a couple of baskets in a row

But also remember that he's still 20 years old right now and has plenty of time to change things...If he does then i think i he has the potential to be the Clippers first home grown superstar!

Also EJ gets no love from the refs right now...there were two times he was hacked big time in the game and no whistle was blown!

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some players have it and

some players have it and some dont..he can eventually get it but for the most part you come into the leauge with it...kobe wasnt as good when he came in but he stiol had that i want it at game time near the end even while being surrounded by vets..there really isnt any reason he shouldnt..he has his hands on the ball enough and hes talented enough..im glad there is a clippers and gordan fan who sees it...some clippers fans up here think we are out of our minds for saying it but these are the same people who said in earlier post that they wonder why hes only taking few shot when hes been hitting a good percentage and being in the game by the start of the fourth quarter..and thats the thing i think will separate him mayo in the future as far as me saying i like mayo more.

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last year when the team

last year when the team sucked, he was the go to guy down the stretch and did have the killer instinct. for example, the game vs. detroit last year where he made a shot to put them in the lead, then some free throws to put them in the lead, then missed the final shot barely being guarded by prince. he just is on a talented veteran team so he is just doing what it takes to win not trying to get his like mayo is.

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I'm a HUGE EJ supporter and

I'm a HUGE EJ supporter and I've been knowing EJ personally since he was 10 years old. I've watched him play ball since the 5th grade. He's shy off the court ONLY. On the court, he is a completely different person. He has killer instinct, BUT he's 20 years old and plays his role on a team full of veteran players with strong personalities. He doesn't have the most dominant personality, but he definitely has killer instinct.

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no every game he didnt have

no every game he didnt have the killer instinct...what about the boston game where he took 12 shots?..or sanantonio where he took 12 once again or 10 against the nugget?..in more games then not he didnt take many shots and they lost..these are games when they needed a guy to take over the game ..hes just a lil too passive ..talented enough but just too passive..youve even posted how you wonder why he hasnt taken more shots..he needs to understand they will have a better shot of winning if he gets that killer instinct....you can see the difference when you watch kobe or dwade play..these guys have that instinct...mayo has it too although his talent hasnt caught up with it and he hasnt been making the shots he takes

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he was just beginning to

he was just beginning to start at the time of the boston game. what about mayo's killer instinct in yesterday's game? he was passive most of the game for the grizz even tho it was close throughout. what im saying is, u can't just pick out a few games and say he doesn't have a killer instinct. he has been a better player than mayo thus far and thats all that matters. O and he is 1 year younger.

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gordon

definitly gordon right now. He's helping the clippers on their streak.

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no one is picking out a few

no one is picking out a few games..we are talking about his career..he has mannnnny more games in his career where he didnt show killer instinct then he did...even every clipper fan ive talked to today agrees he could take over more..basically can you tuley say he should be talking only 14 shots a game and that he cant do more on offense then hes doing now or you feel he can do more?...in youre opinion he is playing better then mayo thus far and thats all that matters but is that what matters in cliiper land?..that he just plays better then mayo or is that all that matters to you?..cuz everyother fan i know what REALLY matter is the team playing better and gordan taking over games and leading them to more wins as well as taking over the game int he fourth quarters more times then not since thats where games have slipper from the clippers

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From A Clipper Blog

Eric Gordon, Dominant
When you examine Eric’s numbers closely, it begins to dawn on you: He rarely takes a bad shot.

If the pass hits him low or not in stride, he’ll survey the floor for the next best thing. If the defender is up in his face, Eric will gladly put the ball on the deck and drive. If the shot is contested, he’ll keep the ball moving — and he rarely takes a ill-advised heave off the dribble.

An eye-popping 88 percent of EJ’s jump shots are assisted, and his true shooting percentage mark is 63.5 percent.

How valuable has he been to the Clippers to start the season? The team scores 108.8 points per 100 possessions and allows only 100.9 when Eric is on the floor. When Eric’s on the bench, the Clippers are a basket case (94.0/125.4).

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also it looks like might

also it looks like might miss a few games with a sore groin muscle

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everyone already knew that

everyone already knew that he doesnt take bad shots..its the killer instinct thing..he needs to take more shots at crunch time and fourth quarter,,basically just take over alot more instead of settling for just a good game

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"If the pass hits him low or

"If the pass hits him low or not in stride, he’ll survey the floor for the next best thing. If the defender is up in his face, Eric will gladly put the ball on the deck and drive. If the shot is contested, he’ll keep the ball moving — and he rarely takes a ill-advised heave off the dribble."

Rudy Gay could learn something from Eric Gordon.

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still doesnt have the killer

still doesnt have the killer instinct yet..but he does play safe..clippers need more then safe to be better though so hopefully he develops that killer instinct they need to not drop the games in the fourth quarter or to take over games...gay needs it also...and as some one said yea hes helping the clippers on there streak but thats against teams with a combine record of 3-16..i hear clipper fans talk about how good the team is and say why gordan only takes 14 shots or how they lose in the fourth quarter...i put it like this..if kobe was shooting great like that but we were losing in the fourth and i knew our team was better then that and i knew he was the most talented player on the team i would want him to start taking more shots and taking over the games more especially in the fourth quarter so we could win against the better teams......can ya'll clipper fans honestly say you dont think eric is good enough to do more and take over games?..or do ya'll feel hes doing good enough and ya'll are satisfied wit being in games against the good teams till the fourth quarter then losing and having no one step up to take over or try to take over the games in the fourth quarter?

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i know we talk about who

i know we talk about who better with all these rookies and sophs..but after looking at each rookie and soph efficiency rating and scoring and rebounding,steals turnovers,fg percentage ya'll will be suprised how close some of these players are to each other who how someone we thought was more efficient then another really isnt

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Efficiency.jsp?league=00&season=220...

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What I can say about this

What I can say about this statistics, Russell is the best sophmore so far! because big-men can easier have nice numbers in nba.com's efficiency

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That's not "playing safe"...

That's not "playing safe"... That's playing SMART... That's playing team basketball. He plays the game the right way. The fact that he understands how to play the game the right way at such a young age should be praised, not talked about like it's some type of flaw.

It's natural for a young player to struggle demanding the ball on a team full of veteran players. In the short time he's been in the NBA, he's played with Baron Davis, Zach Randolph, Cutino Mobley, Tim Thomas, Chris Kaman and Ricky Davis. All of those players are veterans who have strong personalities, especially on the offensive end.

Gordon has played his role and naturally taken on more responsibilities when the opportunity was his to take. When they traded Mobley last season, he jumped into the starting lineup, took on more of a role and put up huge numbers instantly. He took over a game versus OKC and scored 41 points. He took over a game versus Detroit and took the game winning shot. Dunleavy put the ball in his hands vs New Jersey and he made the right pass that led to Steve Novak hitting the game winner. He put up huge numbers versus many of teams. He's extremely unselfish and still learning how to deliver for his team in the clutch, BUT he does have killer instinct.

This season, with the trade of Randolph, Gordon has taken on even more of an offensive role. He's more confident and comfortable. He's handling the ball more. He'll continue to get more confident as this team progresses. It won't be too much longer until he starts taking over fourth quarters and the ball is in his hands instead of Baron Davis'. Gordon is being groomed right now to be this team's go-to player when the game is on the line. The great thing is the team will trust him to have the ball becaue they know he'll have the ability/mindset to take the shot or pass.

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that makes sense tezo.....if

that makes sense tezo.....if youre winning..if youre not losing to teams in the fourth quarter, if you dont have the talent to do more..those with the killer instinct dont care if he has vets if the vets arent stepping up in crunch time when the team needs someone to take over....players who have the killer instinct try to take over from day one..even if they dont succeed the thing is they try because they have it in them...youre right he has played a role but he had the ability to not only play the role hes playing but also do more. he hasnt taken on more of the offensive role as far as taking the game over..maybe youre right maybe he can only do what hes doing now..maybe im giving him too much credit in thinking that he has the ability to take over the game and take over fourth quarters. just figured he was capable right now(not just in the future) of doing that...but i guess not..guess hes just what he is..a guy who right now can only get 18ppg while his team loses to good teams in the fourth quarter when they need someone to try to step up and take the game over but beats bad teams .

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Name a few players who had

Name a few players who had the type of "killer instinct" you're describing and took over their teams and during the fourth quarters consistently at 19-20 years old Quincey?

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youre not listening..they

youre not listening..they dont have to uceed they just have to try to take over...maybe its just you but if gordan was on the lakers and we were losing to teams in the fourth quarter id want him to try and take over and take more then 14attemps..but since youre obviously happy with no one taking over in the fourth quarter and them losing to good teams and content wit him just getting 18 a game then thats cool...personally if i was a clipper fan i would want him to do more since i believe he has the talent to do more.. the guy up here named clippers has made a couple comments in the past about wondering why gordan doesnt take more attempts as well as other fans so obviously they think he can do more..but since you dont think he can do more then what hes doing now then its cool .no use disscussing it.........i used to complain about bynum doing more because i knew he had the talent to and the same with beasley now...kevin durant has that killer instinct kobe had it even when he was young..d wade had it ...its that thing where you feel you are unstoppable and you will go at the guy late in the game damn near evertime cuz you know he cant stop you...unless you are on a winning team like boston then you dont need to but when youre on a bottom team that loses then you need to

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you dont need to drop 40 to

you dont need to drop 40 to have killer instinct..like i said..if ya'll are happy with no one(the vets arent taking over in the fourth) then thats cool..they will continue to stay in the game against good teams till the fourth then lose by blow outs of close because no one steps up to take over...also if some one is shooting a good percentage shooting a low amount of shots then why cant they do the same taking more shots?...i guess i just think gordan has the ability to do more right now but ya'll feel hes doing just right as is..the record against good teams state otherwise though

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Ha ha okay Quincey... I like

Ha ha okay Quincey... I like it how you're making it like EJ runs away from the ball in the fourth quarter lol. I like it how you're making it like he just chooses not to take over in the fourth quarters because he doesn't want to lol. He has the ability, but he's young... He's 20 years old. He has taken over games and fourth quarters, and he does have killer instinct, but he's also still improving and learning how to demand the ball from guys like Baron Davis and Chris Kaman who think that they're go-to offensive players regardless of if they have it going or not. That's my point... He's playing with veteran players who have strong strong personalities, especially on the offensive end. It takes time for a young player, regardless of how much talent and inner killer instinct he has, to feel confident enough to take control of a team and demand the ball from veteran players who still think they're go-to players. It takes time Quincey.

Give him time. He's only in his second year. Eventually, he'll start demanding the ball and the ball will be in his hands instead of Baron Davis'.

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which is why i said he

which is why i said he doesnt have the killer instinct now...when you have it reguardless whos on youre team if youre losing then you take over or try to take over..yeah he prob will eventually get it but im talking about right now. when you got it you dont wait on others unless you are winning...maybe its just the confidence..i saw that killer instinct when he was at indiana and even though dj white was the vet and he was the youngest on the team he took it upon his self to show that killer instinct....so maybe youre right when you said he has to FEEL CONFIDENT enough which means he doesnt have that killer instinct just yet..when you have it you are fully confident that no one can stop you and this is youre team reguardless how young you are....some one say he plays his role which is fine but in my opinion(and maybe im just wrong) his role should be the leader of the team right now even with his young age because i think he has the talent to...but im probably wrong and its probably just not in him right now and if doing what hes doing right now and the team being where they are right now i good enough for clipper fans then so be it

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