My Top 10 Players Whom I Thought Could Have Been Better Than What They're At
There are players whom we feel are capable of just anything. They can be the most talented player that you have ever seen, or simply, they just amaze you whenever they are on the court. I simply think of these players as awesome, or solid, or serviceable... They are players that are capable of doing more than what they have right now in their respective careers. Some CERTAINLY aren't busts but some could be in the borderline in this top 10. You be the judge... These are players that I thought are capable of more than what they are producing in their careers. But for whatever reason, be it through poor coaching, injuries, spoiled by their talent... etc...etc... They just weren't able to achieve some of the things that I thought they are capable of achieving.
10. Gerald Green- Truth be told... I was a big Gerald Green fan back in his high school days. He was simply McGrady-like in his form and his athleticism. The moment he played in Boston you could tell he's got what it takes to explode just like T-Mac anytime soon...or not... a couple of trades here and there hurt his stock a lot and he has been wondering ever since then what went wrong... At 23, Gerald is young but he should have been a go-to guy on a team right now but we don't see that happening byfar.
9. Marvin Williams- Coming out of Bremerton, he was and is an elite level athlete. His stock even soared when he helped the Tar Heels capture the 2005 NCAA title. I was hoping he could be The Man for the Hawks... Sorta like a Jamal Mashburn with a better-rounded game... But alas, Marv couldn't find his niche and he is famously known as the guy who got drafted ahead of Deron Williams and Chris Paul... Though young Marv has progressed over the years, my thought of him being an All-Star and a franchise savior for the Hawks is slowly dying down...
8. Tim Thomas- Ray Allen once quoted "Tim Thomas could have been the best player in the league if he wanted to..." How could he not? He's very capable of scoring 17-21 points without showing much effort. At 6'10, he's got excellent range for a big man... What's the problem? He didn't want to be the best player and he lacked effort to improve his game in which Milwaukee was so committed and hoped from him... As a result, instead of being in the same level with Kobe (in which He could have been, to be honest), he decided to be just 1 of the 80% players in the NBA, a role player...
7. Joe Smith- The 1995 Top Pick who was drafted ahead of Rasheed, Dice and of course, Kevin Garnett was a very good player in his first two seasons in the NBA. At first, the Warriors made the right decision in drafting a guy who can be able to contribute right away. The problem was, Joe Smith was and is already polished. As a result, he stayed neutral and found no ways to improve whereas guys like Kevin Garnett emerged into superstars. I thought Joe could have been at least a one-time All-Star but he never did. He did provide a respectable career but his is not as good as KG's...
6. Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf- aka Chris Jackson... Hell yeah! The same Chris Jackson that starred at LSU and the one that posted a 51-point outburst in a game against Utah back in the 1990's. The thing that made me a little bit disappointed in Rauf was he let his belief hinder his career in basketball. Had he remain the Chris Jackson in the NBA, he would have been a perennial All-Star but he's definitely contented to where he is now... (You didn't see him play back then? Think Stephen Curry now...)
5. Shareef Abdur-Rahim- The 3rd pick overall in the prestigious 1996 NBA Draft... Abdur-Rahim was a terrific pick and was a good player. The thing was he didn't get noticed a lot due to the fact that he played on a horrible Vancouver Grizzlies team that could win no games at all. He did get some credibility when he transferred to Atlanta but the moment he got shifted out to Portland, things went downhill for Reef and he never really regained form. Unlike Kobe who just keeps getting better and better every season, Reef kept getting worse until eventually, injuries kept him out as he decided to call it quits after 12 solid seasons... Not bad but I knew he could have been more than just a 1-time NBA All-Star and a 6-game playoff appearance...
4. Emeka Okafor- The moment that he became a second pick in the 2004 NBA Draft, everyone knew that Charlotte will have a cornerstone guy in their line-up. Or did they? well, Emeka has been the ROY winner and he has had a solid NBA career... But he realized that the Orlando Magic was right in picking an unproven youngster from Atlanta named Dwight over him. It's clear to look at that Dwight has become a superstar while Emeka became a soild starting player but not the type that dominates. Maybe with the help of CP3, he could change but that really is yet to be seen right now.
3. Tyrus Thomas- When you're a player that got drafted ahead of the likes of Brandon Roy, you better perform better than him. That's not the case so far with TT... Forget about Morrison and Shelden because they are in the Bust Club, but Tyrus, with his amazing athleticism, has a chance to prove that he could be capable of achieving greatness... But instead, poor attitude, coaching problem and lack of offensive skills bar him from becoming an All-Star caliber player. He did kept teasong the Bulls with what he could do like a 27 and 13 or 22 and 12 nights but most times, he would go 6 and 1 on occasion and would simply be invisible... Now he's having problems with his starting spot.
2. Tyson Chandler- You could see Tyson Chandler as one of the most hyped players in high school waaaay before a kid named LeBron entered the mix. Simply put Ty Chandler was a beast. He could hit the 3, block shots, rebound well and dominate. I even remembered llperez saying that this dude was "once given the title as a guy who will be better than Kareem"... Though we will never hear that statement ever again, Tyson Chandler has proven to be an ultimate disappointment. Injuries hit him hard and he never had a Garnett-like career in which the Bulls had hoped for when trading for him. He did mixed it well with CP3 in New Orleans but he eventually got traded to a Bobcats team that doesn't have a playmaker such as a CP3 caliber... Good luck in making the playoffs with Chandler around 'cats!
1. Vince Carter- Half-Man, Half-Amazing, VC, Air Canada, Vinsanity... You name it... He was the toast of the NBA back in 1999-2001. He was the Slam Dunk King, the guy who made Fredric Weiss pee on his pants with that Dunk of Death, and most of all, he was the guy that made the Toronto Raptors a real NBA team. All these qualities would scream a championship and an MVP award, right? But it didn't and never happened for Carter. His performance was subpar after recurring injuries in 2002-2004 and he never got the Raptors back on top when he did in 2001. VC was then traded to NJN with whom he created a feud with his former team the Raptors, stating that he didn't give it his all in his last few games there. Vinsanity resurrected his career with J-Kidd and had become a perennial All-Star... But as he fell in love with his jumpshot more, you could tell that VC is no longer the beast that he once was. No longer an MVP-type of player that he could have been...Now, Carter is 32 and is most likely ending his career in Orlando... I just keep thinking what ifs for him... What if he never got injured and remained with Toronto? He would have been the best player in the League and could be in the run along with a fellow Tar Heel alumni... But now, that seems so far away...
it wasn't entirely his fault in Toronto and you never know, Carter can win a championship this year with the Magic. I doubt he'll be the MVP but he'll act like the old VC when he's in the conference finals maybe even the finals.
Only if Colangelo was in Toronto when Vince was at his best....
i thought green would be but then again everyone did..and joe smith..not so much tyrus..anyone that watched him say he didnt have alot real skills at lsu..he could just out jump everyone and fast for his position which when you do that everyone says you have potenial.. personally i have to see alot of skills to say someone has potenial and judge that by how good a player would be if they werent such a good athlete
Some of the names on that list don't belong there. Vince Carter? The guy's had a pretty damn polished career. Also, Steph Curry plays nothing like Chris Jackson. Jackson was so quick with the ball and elevated over people for his jumper and he might've had the quickest release in the game. As much as I liked Jackson/Abdul-Rauf he wouldn't have been an all-star. All he could do was score, and his religious beliefs had less to do with his not making it than did his one dimensional game and the fact he played on the Nuggets and was the 3rd most marketable guy on the team [Mutombo, LaPhanso Ellis].
Great Post!! Allow me to put in my 2 cents about some of the players on your list..Chandler has always been a great athlete..but never had any fundamentals..nor is he as aggressive as KG or skilled as Kareem, the players scouts said he was similar to..lol...Gerald Green has a low basketball iq...but his athletic skills r off da charts..maybe if he had went to a college and got some good coaching and seasoning, he'll now be a starter.instead of out of the league...Tyrus Thomas & Marv Williams still have a chance to blossom..But i really believe they're as good as they're going to get..Okafor has been a disappointment..I never thought he'll be the next Shaq or Hakeem..But i did think he'd shown more than he has...Some players i thought would be great are Ralph Sampson( to be fair injuries hurt his career),Keith Lee ( had a great basketball IQ,but he had bad knees), Rex Chapman,Sean Elliot, Chris Washburn and deceased players Wayman Tisdale and Eddie Griffin..During their freshman years Both were so dominate..Can't say Carter is a bust..He's going to be a hall of famer 1 day..And there are those who might say He's had a better career than they thought..
10. Gerald Green should have attended Oklahoma State University as originally planned.
9. Marvin Williams is a good player. He's really on the wrong team. This year should have been his breakout year (a year too late), but Jamal Crawford is already edging in on his turf. He's valuable trade bait right now for a good point guard. Trade him fast. There are too many players on Atlanta who play similar roles. Can you imagine if Josh Childress was still on this team? Marvin was hurt most by the team which drafted him.
8. If Ray Allen said Tim Thomas could have been #1 in the league then HE'S CRAZY!!! Tim was good. You could see the potential at Villanova. He put it together for a while and won the sixth man of the year award on a contending Milwaukee team, but he never got much better. He was never a good rebounder, defender or athlete. He was a mobile 6'10 player with range and handles.
7. Nothing dramatic happened with Joe Smith. He is a quality player and had he been picked #15, we would say he had some really good years. But the stigma of being drafted #1 overall hurt. He was good, but that was it.
6. Rauf is way better than Curry. Also, while at LSU he led the nation in scoring with Shaq and Stanley Roberts in the front court. They had the biggest let down ever when the were beating Indiana in the NCAA tournament by maybe 25 at halftime and lost! Anyway, I grew up to Rauf in Denver. ESPN ran a segment once reporting Rauf and Gary Payton as the coming of age guards in the Western Conference….. His religious belief didn't HINDER his career. It KILLED it. Each year was Ramadan, where he basically went on a LIQUID diet for a month during the middle of the season. He ate each morning at 5 a.m….. Then he spent his last season in Denver not standing for the national anthem. Crazy. And he did it all season, but it wasn't reported in the media until half the season was over. I remember going to games wondering why he wouldn't stand, but they never put the spotlight on him. Denver traded him to Sacramento where the organization made him Bobby Hurley's (after the car accident) backup. Are you serious????
5. Not sure Shareef should be here…. He also gave Rauf his last NBA job with Sacramento! Anyway, yeah being out of the U.S. did it for him. Think Chris Bosh. Nuff said. Injuries did him in.
4. Real basketball fans knew Okafur couldn't score. Think Etan Thomas of Syracuse.
3. Thomas came out of nowhere. He's was all but Glen Davis bellboy and childhood friend until the 2006 Final Four. There's a reason he went to LSU and not Duke. He wasn't an A-level good player. But the bigger the game, the more scouts will say, wow, who is he? Remember Patrick O'Byrant!!! Thomas should be lucky he's in the NBA because he wasn't on anyone's radar.
2. Chandler is what he is, an athletic 7-2 center. He only weighs 225 pounds. We didn't really think he was going to box someone out did we???
1. Not sure Vince should be here either. His problem is that he's never played for a contender. He is almost a hall-of-famer.
Dhamp2...the greatest baksetball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.
Saying Tim Thomas wasn't a good athlete is retarded. The guy could run and jump with anyone in the league at his size. He had all-star potential, but he would never have been as good as Bryant as someone else said.
There's a few guys that come to mind, but for me Deshawn Stevenson is pretty high on this list. He shoulda gone to Kansas. His game now compared to when he was young is completely different, He attacked the bucket, dunked on people, hit deep threes and was just a maniac on offense. Now he looks like a buddhist bum who snuck on the court and shoots nothing inside the line.
If Gerald Green had gone to OK State he might not have gotten drafted. His game just doesn't translate well. There's a reason a guy with his ability isn't on a roster.
What's good D Hamp? What happened to your NBA predicitions you were supposed to post?
Tezo83, what up man.
I had computer problems for about two weeks and I had to start a new account and everything. It was horrible timing. The only thing everyone will remember is that I predicted Melo would lead the NBA in scoring.
Dhamp2...the greatest baksetball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.
that wasnt a bold prediction..i think about 20 people said that..and all of them have been letting people on here hear about it..lol
Melo looks like he's on a mission, but I picked Durant to lead the league in scoring, so I'm going to stick with him lol.
Not true Quincey Hodges. When I said Melo would lead the league in scoring, people went crazy.
Dhamp2...the greatest baksetball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.
i remeber that..alot of people said the same thing though..it wasnt a bold prediction because most people wouldnt be suprised if he lead the leauge in scoring..actually i dont think he will because he has so much talent so i think you will eventually be wrong with that..id say lebron,wade or durant have a much better chance then melo does..even though if melo was on a team that wasnt as good he would be my favorite
Vince may belong on the list only because people had absurd expectations for him. He was compared to Jordan at first. And he isn't. But he is pretty amazing nonetheless and a surefire Hall of Famer.
If Vince was on the Lakers instead of the Raptors, Shaq and Vince would have won many championships just as the beloved Kobe Bryant did. We would be talking about how Vince is truly amazing. But no. Vince got hurt and suddenly his fans turned on him.
..Yea but Vince is "injury prone". Funny thing is Vince has played and started more possible games than ANYONE else in the league over the last 6 years. More than Kobe, tons more than Wade (Which reminds me, when Vince went out for a similarly crucial injury to Wade's, he came back and had a career year 27.3 points per game with the Nets, but Vince got grief for it; Wade did the same thing and also had a career year with 30.2 ppg and got praise.... but while Wade missed tons more time with his injury, Vince kept trying to play through it his and Vince is called soft...Wade took all the time he needed--similar to Gilbert Arenas last year. But VC is soft, right...go figure)
..Yea but Vince "hasn't won a championship". Funny thing is Vince didn't have a Shaq or Tim Duncan to play with (They account for 8 of the last 11 championship teams). His Raptors lost the the eventual conference championship 76ers and his Nets lost to the eventual championship Heat.
...Yea but Vince "only shoots jump shots".. Funny thing this is so far from true. But lets just say it is true--it wouldn't be such a bad thing since he shoots BETTER than Kobe (look it up on 82 games.com), and he is more clutch than Kobe (LOOK IT UP).
Vince only deserves to be on your list because you and everyone else had unreal expectations--but for all the normal people out there, I think Vince Carter has lived up and surpassed realistic expectations. Drafted at number 5, Vince was a steal.
VC will earn his ring this year.
i dont think they would have because the difference between the 2 players..dont get me wrong vince is a very very good player but kobe is and was then on another level..his offense and his defense as well as his intangables makes him alot different then vince.vince has never been know for being close to a all nba defender and i dont think thats taken into account when comparing him to kobe..plus the intanables like that will and that drive kobe has that vince is no where near ..as far as the wade thing..that defense seperates them once again and wade also has that intagables with the will to win thing...like i said before vince was/is a very very good player but cant be put on the same level of a kobe even without the championships
i also dont think vince belongs on this list..he's either exceeded or got to reasonable expectations( not counting the jordan comparisions because he only got compared to him because he went to unc was around the same height and could jump..thats where the similarities end)
thanks for the points..
Vince Carter does not belong on this list. He isn't an all-star player right now, but he used to be. He has had too good of a career to be a bust. He has been a great scorer before.
I agree with Gerald Green, Marvin Williams, TimThomas, and Tyson Chandler. All could have been a lot better.
You can't hate on what Vince has accomplished other then he quit on the raptors. And no, as good as he is, he was never gonna be on Kobe's level. Even Jordan said back when Vince was in his prime that you couldn't even compare Vince with Kobe until Vince learns what it takes to win like defense and toughness.
Abdur Rahim and Rauf both got a ton out of there careers. Rauf was pretty one dimensional, just a scorer with a quick triger who would shoot from anywhere.
some of my misses:
Jerome Moiso- I thought he was the second best prospect I had seen at UCLA behind only BDiddy.
Sam Clancy-didn't play his rookie year due to injuries, but dude was a beast in college.
Courtney Alexander-seemed to have all the one on one scoring abilities
Eddie Griffin-could rebound, shoot and defend. I thought he had a chance to be the best player from that draft.
Marcus Haislip-great athlete and could shoot it for a pf
I thought all these guys would be terrific pros but was obviously wrong.
Josh Smith is the person that I thought was going to be really good.
yeah stevenson found it alot harder to dunk on people when the other teams centers arent 6'5..his game reminds me of someone because he used mostly power to out play players in highschool
Haha, well played. Honestly, Stevenson was so athletic and shot the ball so well I don't know how or why he's turned into what he has. I kinda envisioned him being what JR Smith is, only a little more polished [at the same stage].
i actually thought hed be better too..im not sure he ever worked real hard on his game because hes gotten better by just being in the nba and age but not really better skill wise
Right? He seems almost like he's regressed. i remember him during one of his first few summer leagues with Utah and he was pretty aggressive. It seems like now he just doesn't really care and is cool to cash checks and shoot threes. What a bummer.
I didn't mention there that these guys are bust. This is my personal opinion that's why I put there MY... I felt VC could have won an MVP award and a championship... He is a very good clutch performer. You could see it on youtube how he just mercilessly hit those buzzer beating game winners and key baskets down the stretch... But a real defnition for a great player is a player that can make plays when it mattered the most...The Playoffs. VC has shown flashes when he played in that 2001 Semis against Philly. But when he came to the Nets, the moment he teamed up with J-Kidd, I thought he would have been a lot more explosive. I remember the 2006 season when he went up against Miami twice in the regular season... He exploded for 51 points and had a triple-double in their next meeting... I thought he was a problem for Miami but when playoffs came and they had to faced the Heat again, VC couldn't perform the same. They were dispatched in 5 games by the Wade-led Heat.
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I'd say Rasheed Wallace can be on that list if Vince Carter makes it too. Seriously, a power forward like Rasheed that could shoot from 3, post up, and defend multiple positions? I know it's not his character to be the face of a franchise, but he could've had Tim Duncan or KG-like stats in his prime. I always loved watching Rasheed because of how versatile he is, but I'm also disappointed how he never became an all-NBA type forward. Glad he won a championship though, and may win another in Boston with KG...this Celtics roster 5-10 years ago would be 65+ wins easily.