I don't care what anybody says on here. Yeah I'm a ucla and laker fan, but regardless of that, Farmar can ball. Call me biased or whatever, this dude would be putting up numbers if he wasn't in the triangle offense. Phil gives this man no love, whenever the second unit struggles, Farmar takes a lot of the blame even when he did his job. Dude can play, but he needs some freedom since he likes to look to attack offensivley and doesn't just sit back and play the role like most triangle pg's. If the Lakers don't wake up, he will be making some team feel very happy next season.
I think he should be traded. He could do alot of the same things Aaron Brooks does, he's just not a real good fit for the triangle.
and remember game 3 in the second round last year against houston when Fisher was suspended for cross checking Scola, Phil had no choice but to play Farmar the next game. So he started put up 14pts, 7asst, and 4reb in a solid victory while doing a far better job slowing down Brooks then Fisher could.
Yeah, Farmar can get in the lane and defend better than Fisher. He shoots well too. He makes more mistakes than Fisher, he should get more playing time than he does.
Yea he did a better job than Fisher defending Brooks, but Shannon Brown did a better job than both. Farmar used to be such a good playmaker at UCLA, but he hasn't shown that in the NBA very much at all. He's looked quicker and more athletic than he did back then though. It's weird, it's like all the things I thought were his strengths coming out of college are his weaknesses and vice versa.
brown is probably the better fit for the lakers. He defends better and can hit the shots and slash. Farmar is better at handling the rock and penetrating. I disagree that he hasn't created well for his teammates. He hits his teammates. His weakness is that he over panetrates or he shoots early in the clock and doesn't always wait for the stars to get their touches and Phil hates that. I remember when Phil first took over the lakers in 1999, Fisher was in his 4th year and was clearly the best pg on the team, but Phil started Ron harper because he was the older proven veteran who he trusted. According to Phil Fisher shot too much. Phil is just a man of habit and he doesn't trust young pg's, he never has.
I think Brown is a better fit for the triangle, but Farmar is the better player in my opinion. The triangle really hides all of Brown's weaknesses considering it doesn't require a traditional point guard. It's almost like the triangle helps a point guard without actual point guard ability shine, while it restricts a point guard with real point guard ability.
The Lakers shouldn't trade Farmar because of one thing that has been very clear so far this season... FISHER IS AWFUL. I heard the commentator during the Houston game say that Fisher, after missing a layup, just didn't have it on the second game of a back to back. I thought to myself... "Fisher has played every game this season like it was the second game of a back to back." Every team that has a quicker point guard gives the Lakers fits.
exactly tezo. Fisher is garbage at this point. Here are his season stats:
Fisher-5.0pts, 2.0ast, 2.0to, 31%fg, 21%3's, 33minutes
And it's not just a slump because he was no better in the preseason and he stunk throughout the playoffs too. His defense is awful and he is making stupid passes. A blind man can see the team is better with either farmar or Brown on the court. Farmar is the better player, Brown fits the triangle better.
Lakers should package Farmar, Morrison, and Walton for some Center backup, just incase Bynum goes down again...not necessarily the same skillset, but just a legit 7footer, than can provide some sorts of help on the defensive end...you know, Center insurance
Gortat? Milicic? R. Lopez? maybe even Camby? Kaman?
That could work the Knicks could use a pg like Farmar since he's quick taking minutes away from Duhon would be nice.
Walton has decent handle can shoot and pass so he'd fit in the system.
Morrison would just sit on the bench not a bad idea.
Doubtful the Magic are giving up Gortat for these guys that team is stacked.
Clips who knows they probly dumb enough to give Lakers one of their bigs.
Lakers need Walton somewhat though especially since Vujacic sucks.
farmar, morrison and walton for milicic.
honestly, thats the worst trade in the history of western civilisation.
One thing i noticed from the OKC game was that FArmar started, but only played like 8 minutes... did anyone watch that? what happeneD? my thinking was that they put him out there to try and matchup with russell... i guess that must not have gone well.
let me know if anyone knows what happened there.
my two cents: farmar is a great athlete and has tons of potential, assuming he gets adequate playing time... i believe he's a FA at the end of this year? i hope he walks, and finds a place where he can play.
What's up xbadgerhustler? You've been MIA lol. I have no idea what happened in the OKC game, but I agree 100% with your two cents.
i think hed do better in another offense but theres no reason to trade or let him go to be honet..hes not bad for a back up pg or part time starter sometimes..fisher getting up there in age so why let him walk or trade him since we will only have brown left for the pg position. if portland will be down i wouldnt mind getting blake for farmar though since hes the perfect fit for the triangle offense. but for that to happen bayless would have to play alot better so blake could become expendable
Blake would be a good, not perfect fit for the triangle. He's not really a good defender and struggles guarding quicker guards also. That's also ONE (not all, but one) of the reasons Portland's bigs get in foul trouble. Blake (and others) can't really stop guard penetration into the lane. Aaron Brooks gives Portland fits too lol.
I'm also not sure Farmar would be a good fit in Portland. Portland doesn't need a true point guard. They need a point guard who can defend, not turn the ball over and stretch the floor for B. Roy.
thats the thing..his defense is no worst then the average pg..the only bigs that really get in foul trouble is oden and i watched every portland game..his fouls have nothing to do with blake he picked them all up on his own..i went back and watched other games he fouled out in and that was from him being foul prone also...people kept tryna say blake gets blown by but i found that to be untru..most pg that score on him score from deep or mid range not going pass him..i think this is the case of someone saying that and then everyone just believing it...after watching all the game roy's man went past him more then any other guard on the team..and even though people dont seem to mention it because rudy is so explosive his man got by him alot more then blakes
this is the same case with zach being said to be a bad locker room guy but that was in portland years ago every other place hes been his teammates praise him and then ron artest back when he got in the fit and because he get stechs but his teammates in sac town and houston said he was a great locker room guy...its like when people have there mind set about someone being one way then thats how they forever picture them
Farmar is really good and can start...It just turned out that Shannon Brown is better than him...both are better than Fisher but Farmar definitely needs a change of scenery...I think hes a legit starter in the NBA though
hopefully th lakers dont let him get away but they may be the case
I've watched majority of Portland's games since they drafted Oden, so I'm not going off of what other people are saying. I'm going off what I've seen with my own two eyes. Steve Blake isn't a poor defender, but he consistently gets beat off the dribble (so does Roy, Outlaw, Fernandez), especially by quicker guards. In the two games Portland lost to Houston and Atlanta this season, Aaron Brooks and Jamal Crawford, who backed up Bibby at the point, got into the lane with ease.
How can you sit there and say that Oden is the only big that gets in foul trouble on Portland? Almost every big on Portland has been in foul trouble this season. What are you talking about? You must not be watching the same games or just be talking just to try and prove your point.
- In the first game versus Houston (win), Oden and Aldridge both had 5 fouls. Pryzbilla fouled out. Brooks had 19 and almost led a fourth quarter comeback.
- In the second game versus the Nuggets (loss), Oden and Pryzbilla had 5, and Aldridge had 4. They gave up 41 to Melo and Billups had 22 points.
- In the third game versus Houston (loss), Oden had 5 and Aldridge fouled out. In that game they also gave up 28 points to Aaron Brooks and 33 to Trevor Ariza.
- In the fourth game versus OKC (win), both Oden and Prybilla had 4. Westbrook had 23 points, BUT he was forced into nine turnovers due to his sloppy/out of control play.
- Last game versus Atlanta, Oden had five fouls. Jamal Crawford, backing up Bibby, had 27 points and 11 assists off the bench.
So what are you talking about? Each game this season, majority of Portland's front court has been in near foul trouble. It's not a coincidence that the other team's perimeter players had huge games each of those games.
Oden does pick up silly fouls, but he picks up a lot of fouls trying to pick up guards driving into the lane or trying to hurry up and rotate back over to his man. Those would be elliminated if Portland played better perimeter defense.
because oden has 24 fouls the next one is 18..he averages almost 2 more fouls pergame then any one else..
also you cant blame guards as too why a big man picks up the fouls..no one tells the big men to fould...the big man has to learn how to defende without fouling or block shots without fouling..blaming it on the guards is just a cop out for any big man because no one says "foul this guy when he gets past me"..there have been plenty of big men through history who know how to play defense and blk shots without fouling
True, but defense is a team effort. Once the perimeter defense is broken down, the chances of the rest of the defense breaking down is increased tremendously. On every level of ball, coaches preach about stopping penetration and not allowing players to get into the paint. That's why point guards who can break you down off the dribble and get into the lane put so much pressure on the defense.
And as far as the total amount of fouls go... That doesn't always tell the full story. Aldridge only played a few minutes in the OKC game due to a bruised knee. There's also been games where Pryzbilla didn't play a lot in the 4th quarter due to Coach Nate having the smaller lineup on the floor (Blake, Roy, Webster/Fernandez, Outlaw and Aldridge). That's why you have to look at this on a game by game basis.
Every one of Portland's bigs have struggled with foul trouble so far this season. As I said above, Aldridge and Pryzbilla have both fouled out once a piece already this season. I'm not blaming it solely on the lack of perimeter defense, BUT it's playing a big role.
thats tru about stopping the man but its possible to stay out of foul trouble alot when the guards get beat thats why the blame is on the big men..you are taugh as a big man on how to move youre feet and take charges which is what they can do or block with the off hand so you dont hit the player with youre body or even block wit the strong hand...duncan has mastered that one and mutombo and zo mastered it also. just gotta get out of there head to block every single shot and instead learn to be mr battier
Yea I saw times were Blake got broken down off the dribble and then within seconds, Oden or Pryzibila or Aldridge would get a foul. But the guy who allows the most dribble penetration on Portland is Travis Outlaw. Hands down. Talk about a poor defender? I challenge you, watch how many times Outlaw gives up the paint when you watch the Blazers. I never knew or paid attention to it until last year, the Hawks got like 10 straight buckets just by driving the lane against him one time. And they had to call a timeout and get him out of the game. And he's done it a few other games I've seen too.
how in the world we go from talking about farmer to talking about the blazers defense..lol
Because someone said Blake plays OK defense,which he doesn't, then someone said he's the reason Oden and the Blazer bigs in in foul trouble, which he is. And then you said he's not the reason that they are always in foul trouble, which he is. Then me and Tezo said him and a few other players for the Blazers are the reason, which they are. nd you say it's because Oden is fooled easily, which has a direct relation to Portland's lack of dribble drive defense, as if they did a better job in dribble drive D, their frontcourt likely wouldn't get alot of the fouls they do get. Which is indeed true. :D
sorry but if you have to blame a guard for youre issues with being in foul trouble then you shouldnt be playing center( good thing oden aknowledges that hes the reason hes in foul trouble)..gotta learn to slide youre feet and take charges....when i would play center in hs and my guards were the worst defenders in history because our good guards tore there acl and was ineligible i didnt get in foul trouble just learned to take charges or dont let the guy drive into my body.it was that simple..like i said mutombo did it hakeem did it and mourning did it as well as other center...i mean evenr prizbilla as done it through his career..probablem is fans make excuses for when a player lacks at something
Q... You just can't acknowledge when you're wrong can you? I can't believe you even went back to your high school career to try and prove your point lol. Oden stayed out of foul trouble in high school too Q lol.
Ha ha... Yea... Oden's going to complain and tell the media, "Yea... I'm picking up a lot of fouls because my perimeter guys can't contain their damn man." Lol. Oden wouldn't throw his team under the bus like that. That's for us to do. We see it happening, so we're going to call it out.
Like I said above... I'm not blaming it ALL on perimeter defense (I've said that Oden has at least two silly fouls a game), but it's definitely a part of the reason Portland's bigs are picking up fouls. And no it's NOT just Oden who's picking up fouls like you said above Q (just acknowledge you're wrong). When the perimeter defense is consistently broken down, it puts pressure on the rest of the defense. Look at Memphis right now. That's their problem also. As a matter of fact, I'm about to post an article about it right now.
my point was you can stay out of foul trouble...you shouldnt blame it on youre guards because the guards arent throwing the guys into you..once you see the guys get past youre guards you can do a couple of things to not foul..you can take the charge(its not hard to do)..you can block the shot while avoiding the contact( countless big man have done that)...as a nba big man you have to learn to be able to play defense without fouling..as a pg in the nba i wouldnt be able to say i pick up fouls because i have to go down and help a big man who cant check the man hes guarding can i (if i pick up the foul)?..i can just learn to swipe at the ball without hitting his arm or the proper way to do a double team