Don't be so quick to judge.
IT'S ONLY 4 games into the season and I see comments about Memphis being in trouble.
THE Iverson issues: He's going to be a problem. We all knew this before the grizz made the final decision to sign him. The guy just can't get over himself, as he wants to be a starter. I said then, and I'll fu*kin say it again, it's a waste of a roster spot and money. They should've just let conely and williams battle for time all season.
THE chemistry issues: Just because Gay and Mayo yelled at each other during the denver game, it doesn't mean they don't get along. There were rumors of them not getting along last year, but I stand firm on my view that the two get along and this is just a minor speed bump.
Consistency issues: It was obvious last night near the end of the first quarter. The grizz were up 14 with 4-5 minutes left...and the kings bring it within 6-7. The grizzlies need a real distributor to help eliminate this inconsistency. Conely still doesn't look ready to create opportunities when the grizzlies struggle.
Bench issues: Do we have a shooter off the bench...that won't cause chemistry problems? Other than iverson, I'm not seeing a shooter that can come in and provide points. Carrol's bringing some energy, and I love to see that, but the grizzlies need to bring someone in off the bench that can provide some points.
* Zbo so far has been impressive. I'm not goin to be quick to judge that he's going to be great for the team. He is passing and providing a low post game that the grizzlies haven't had since pau.
* Mayo looks much more competitive this year and his summer training of PG skills is showing. I notice that he can drive a lil better to the hoop and can make a nice pass to someone...basically creating opportunities.
* Gay actually looks like he has a winning instinct this year. I've seen him battle for rebounds and make some shots when they count.
* Finally, MARC, YOU BEAST! The man has 3 double-doubles in 4 games...averaging 19ppg and 12.3rpg so far. We need him to keep developing.
I'll make it short and sweet, basketball is a team game. You can have all the scorers in the world, but if you don't cut without the ball and pass to the open man, you're not going anywhere. How many of you can remember teams with several big time scorers and wondered why they never won? We've seen this scenario repeated every year in the NBA for as long as I can remember. There are always teams with lots of talent who go nowhere.
question..what do you do if youre team is losing and you have proven scorer on the bench?..does it make sense to keep them comming off the bench or start the player and see if he can help you get wins( example eric gordan last year)
Iverson maybe in a year or two would've made sense but this team is not a contender and nneeds defense more than scoring, its all about selling tickets. So many of the West teams will struggle they have plenty of talent but some are too young.
what the team needs is time..they arent built for ther here and now they are built for the future..so iverson is a great pick up because it helps sells tickets which is a great business decision
I'm a firm believer that Gay and Mayo aren't getting along, or at least, don't play well together. For what ever reason. I think it's because Gay is selfish offensively and Mayo, while pretty unselfish, has an ego and wants the ball in his hands as well a good deal of the time.
personally i think its too earlly to tell since they both are still young and only been playing together for one season...it will be alot more clear after a couple seasons instead of one
No not really because this year's nba draft will be sick if they get in the top 5 they look for a PF or PG because i think Conley will be a great back up or the rookie be the backup or go for a beast at the 4 position and let Randolph come off the bench. Gay will be a restricted free agent and Iverson will be a free agent and they can rebuild and in the future they will become a beats for sure!
Quincy, I agree with you. It's just too early to tell. They've played one season together. That's all.
The few problems I notice are inconsistency of effort and that conely is not the distributor this team needs. Conely has failed to develop the ability to help his teamates score. Maybe this is just chemistry or the wrong system. Maybe he improves over the season and I end up wrong about him. I also see that other than iverson, the grizz have no one to come off the bench and grab some points.
People need to recognize that they're not in total trouble, and that early assumptions bite you in the @ss eventually.
You're right because they are inconsistent and were not playing as a team because Mayo is very explosive (when in College) but in the NBA became a shooter which he was struggling. Gay the only problem is that he has potential but his numbers need to go up because Mayo is still inexperienced and plus Gay will need to be the main focus and especially this upcoming summer. Mayo has great potential, too. But the thing is is he consistent but he needs to step up that's why they got Iverson.
I forgot to add Iverson is an upcoming free agent, right??????
Gay isn't selfish because look what he does he takes jumpshots which is very inconsistent and takes too many and misses and seems he ballhogs but Mayo is very unselfish.
Iverson's just a 1 year deal.
i say at the deadline, trade the guy to anyone who wants an expiring contract...i'm not sure many would want him because of the chance of problems on the court, off the court, and in the locker room
he has bad attitude especially when comes off the bench and plus that distracts the team from winning and told the media that in his resume that he was never a sixth man and i agree.
The coach wants him to ease his way into the lineup to get the hang of it.
i was right. memphis will suck because they have a team full of attitude players that are one dimensional.
could you keep away from my topics if you're going to talk like you're a jacka$$
i don't talk sh!t about your team, but I feel the need to now.
1-4 = clippers
1-3 = grizzlies, 'nuff said.
attitude players that are 1 dimensional? are you really that stupid? tell me how mayo, gay, gasol, randolph, conely are all 1 dimensional if you can. You can't, because don't watch memphis games, you get on here to read what other people say to formulate your pathetic 12 year old opinion. you fuc*in retard.
not only do the clippers have a worse record than the grizzlies, their only win came over minnesota... and the grizzlies won their only game against an upper team...toronto.
Take your bull$hit elsewhere.
i know thats funny how clippers says things like that when his team is one of the worst teams and the worst orrganization in the nba( and all of sports every year)...you cant really say anything after all that talk you had during the summer about youre clippers and yet they look liek the same ole clippers
im not sure who said mayo isnt as explosive in the nba as he was in college( did he ever drop 40 in college) hes easily more explosive in the nba..he didnt drive to the hole alot in college either and hes actualyl going to the hoel a lil more this year then he did last year..its alot easier to become better at getting to the hole when you are already a good jump shooter because teams have to respect youre jumper..even if you dont have the quickest first step you will be able to get to the hole with a assortment of pump fakes jab steps stutter steps and crossovers
u know im right. randolph can only put points on the board and rebound some, but he sucks on defense, he is terrible off the court, he is bad in locker room, he doesn't pass much or well, and he has bad shot selection. Gay is near being a black hole type of player if not one, and mayo is a volume shooter who needs his shots to help the team and is not very efficient. Conley is probably a backup for most teams and is probably a little better than bassy. gasol is getting better but he probably wouldn't start for most teams in the league. Thabeet just sucks and won't contribute this year for sure. Iverson...well you already should know about him. when the grizzlies start out like 10-15 games under .500 by the all-star, you'll see what i mean. with the clippers, they had the toughest opening schedule in the league: 4 games against playoff teams, 2 on the road, in 5 nights. They then won one against minnnesota which was close due to fatigue. plus, clippers are missing griffin, while the grizzlies are fully healthy. you'd have to really biased to think the grizzlies are better than the clippers. the only reason they have a better record is because they have played less games and in more time and against easier teams. THEY LOST TO THE KINGS for crying out loud, dude. I can't believe u really think the grizzlies are better than the clippers.
In my opinion, Rudy Gay is a flashier, slightly more athletic and offensively skilled Al Thornton. Both of them are black holes, rarely move the ball or make the extra pass, have trouble playing without the ball in their hands and are not very good defensively.
The clippers franchise is easily the lamest one in all sports for the past 20 years....with the raiders and the lions following up closely. If I remember right, the clippers just can't draft anything, don't they have the most #1 picks in the past 20-25 years correct? And how many times have they been in the lottery?
Do I go into clipper topics and post that the team sucks? no...because i'm not a jackass.
If you think your clippers are so GREAT....why can't they beat a playoff team? Look at all the talent they have, and still they have only 1 win...and it's a barely win against the wolves.... The grizzlies are battle consistency issues. They have no one off the bench to score...except for iverson...which is gonna be a problem all year long it looks like.
You come into my topic trying to bash my favorite team, like you were right about something? When the lakers beat the clippers opening night, was I there to rub it in your face and say " i told you so" or i was right?
The whole point of this topic was to get people to back off on the grizzlies bashing. We're 4 games into the season, people already have topics claiming the grizzlies are in trouble.
you were the first one to claim the clippers were better than the grizzlies, and then that the grizzlies suck. Keep your comments to yourself, as i do not wish to read anymore.
ugly basketball team, i watched that overtime game the other day. Every possesion was a player at the top of the key drive and shoot! the only pass i say to a slashing player was mayo throwing a bounce pass to low for Gasol to handel it. Ugly, Ugly, display of how team basketball is supposed to be played Ugly, Ugly 1 against 5 will lose most games played Ugly team.
I think that most NBA G.M's and coaches understand that defense wins championships. However, it should also be noted that the NBA is a business, and that ticket sales are a large part of league revenue. With a few exceptions, the average NBA fan wants to see 3's and dunks, not ball movement and sound defense. Young guys also struggle to play defense during their first few years in the NBA. Memphis and Sacramento, two of the youngest teams in the NBA and also the two teams with the worst attendance last year, play up-tempo because they just aren't good defensively and they need to sell tickets.
clippers are you just going off of what some announcers say?..because when was the last time randolph get in trouble off the court?..and how come youre clipper players said he was a good locker room guy as well as the knicks and memphis?...this is yet another case of someone doing something years ago and people continue to ASSume.instead of just getting the facts..his defense isnt the best but its no worst then most of the pf out there..and he doesnt pass much or well??..yeah i can tell you just go by what other people say because hes actually a pretty good passer and has been finding the open man..hes getting the same amount of ast a game as youre boy marcus camby..while getting more boards and shooting at 47percent...in all truth both teams arent that good right now but for some reason you try to make it seem like they are worst then youre clippers when youre clippers are just as bad..yeah they lost to the kings but ya'll still have the same record buddy..you keep hoping on the clippers sbeing 500 by all star break but guess what...it wont happen ya'll will continue to be sorry by then just liek yall are now..the only reason imma call youre team out more is because you try to put down other peoples team like youre team is doing better
The last time Z-Bo got in trouble off the court was last season with the Clippers. He got a DUI and got suspended a couple of games I think. He does have a long history of off the court issues dating back to high school, but at the same time... He's not a bad person at all. He just needs to put more thought into his decisions.
He is and always has been a good lockeroom guy and teammate. He was probably Eric Gordon's best friend on the team last season. He's the type of player who encourages his teammates and is easy to get along with.
As far as his defense lol... I disagree that his defense is no worse than most power forwards. He plays average defense when extremely motivated, but he's definitely a below average defender. He really doesn't give a lot of effort at that end. I mean, maybe he's changed. All I know is as long as I've been watching Z-Bo (Marion HS, Michigan State Univ., Portland, New York and LA) I've never seen him give consistent effort at that end of the court. His main focus has always been scoring and getting offensive rebounds to score.
With as many offensive touches and double teams as Z-Bo gets, he should be averaging way more assists than Camby. That point you tried to make kind of went against him quincey.
The Clippers do have the same record as the Grizzlies, but they've also had one of the toughest schedules in the NBA. Five games in seven nights. Their first four games were against the Lakers, Suns, Utah and Mavericks. They were in every one of those games. Their lone win came in a close game versus a scrapy Minnesota team that took Boston into overtime tonight. I think it's safe to say that the Clippers are a better team than the Grizzlies right now.
It's still early. The Clippers obviously have an opportunity to be at .500 by the all-star break.
thank you tezo. Z-BO had a DUI last year, punched louis almundson in the face in a game last year, and he got into a fight with someone at an LA restaurant during the off-season. R u kidding me, dude? No off the court problems recently? Have u been living under a rock? I can do analysis on my own quincey. Wow, the clippers start out 1-4 in a very tough stretch of games to start out and now they have 0 shot at getting to .500 by the all-star break? May I remind you that blake griffin is coming back in 15 games. I was not bashing the team just for the hell of it, I was just telling d-grizzly that imo, his opinion that the grizz will be fine and they just had a rough start is wrong. I was not bashing it, I was just stating the truth. just because u don't like the truth, doesn't give u the right to call me out. Face it, they did not build this team for the playoffs, they built it for ticket sales. That is not a winning formula and thats all im saying. I know from experience because the clippers have been in that position before. I'm not bashing your team, I'm just stating my honest opinion which most people would agree with.
Really Q Hodges, Clippers and grizzlies are on the same level. clippers beat golden state by 28 and the warriors beat the grizzlies by 8. The grizzlies are bad just like I have been saying and the clippers are good but they just had a very tough schedule to start. In fact, they should have beat the suns the second game of the season since they outplayed them for 99% of the game but then nash had some nice plays to give the suns the win, who were only in the game due to missed free throws by the clippers. Remember, the clippers still are just being to scratch the surface of their potential right now and when they get griffin back they should be a very tough team. they held the warriors to 88 points!
wow you really judging how one team beat and team then how another team beat that same team?..so who ever beat dallas is better then the lakers?..who ever beats the team who beats boston is better then them?...you must know that makes no sense right?..all three of those teams arent good..all three are headed to the lotto...and the l.a resturant thing turned out to be a scam....dui?..that dui got rejected...and he got in a fight in a nba game..how many players do that?
The Clippers did look really good versus Golden State though lol. Golden State isn't a good team, but they're very good offensively and the Clippers put the clamps on them. They played great team defense. The Clippers looked very very good last night and they finally finished off a game.
watever Q - we'll see tonight
hmmm, first off I think d-grizzly got a little too sensitive on this one, although clippers just saying the grizz suck doesn't add anyting to the table worth talking about. THe grizz and clippers are both gonna struggle this year and i find it kinda funny to argue over who is worse. I do think the clippers will be better, but that's just because Griffin will be back and the Grizz play zero defense. All the offensive talent in the world ain't gonna matter when your defense looks like a layup line drill for the opponents.
Should be a good game tonight. I am guessing the Clippers will win by 7. Ha.
Overall both teams are pretty talented. Neither will make the playoffs though IMO.
d-grizz and clippers you guys are hilarious.
The Grizzlies have no major long term commitments, which is a good thing. They SHOULD dump Gay. I personally don't think that either Gay nor Mayo is "selfish", but they clearly don't fit together. I've watched myself some Grizzly games, and during the ones that I stayed awake in, it was clear that they do not, and will not, ever mesh their talents to help the turn the Grizzlies into a playoff team. Conley, Mayo, Gasol and Thabeet are all solid prospects. But Thabeet and Gasol could cause a problem down the line... I would rebuild around Conley and Mayo, draft Motiejunas, and sign a couple vetern shooters to come off the bench. Then they just have to wait for Randolph and Jaric to leave and then hope the team can come together and win basketball games.
The Clippers have screwed themselves over by signing Baron Davis to such a long contract. He is not the leader that the Clippers need right now. Eric Gordon and Blake Griffen are great pieces to build around. I also like Chris Kaman, Craig Smith, and Rasual Butler as role-players. The best thing that they can do is somehow dump Baron Davis, Sebastian Telfair and Al Thornton and draft Evan Turner. Steve Blake would be a great pickup in free-agency. Then they just have to be patient, sign a couple of veterns and see where this team takes them.
The Grizzlies and the Clippers have been two of the three worst NBA franchises of all-time. But right now they are both in a better position for the future than the other impotent franchise of the NBA, the Golden State Warriors.
butidonthavemoney: u obviously are just going off espn analysis and have not watched the clippers this year. kaman is averaging 22.5 and 10 on 59.4 fg% (not just a role player). baron is playing much better. watch before u speak next time.
I don't watch ESPN unless a game is on. Yes Kaman is playing well but he is still not a star. He isn't the type of player you can build a good team around.
Quit assuming you are the only person who knows anything and that the rest of us are stupid compared to you. Check your ego.
Please see: http://www.nbadraft.net/node/14164
dang nomoney, that was funny as hell. Even clippers would get a laugh out of that. It deserves it's own thread.
I don't want it to sound like I'm hating on the Clippers. I'll cheer for them tonight. GO CLIPPERS!!!