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With new pact, Rondo gains elite status He will be among top 10 highest-paid point guards

Before Sunday's game against the Boston Celtics, New Orleans Hornets coach Byron Scott told reporters that Rajon Rondo should be considered among the top five or six point guards in the league.

2009 SALARIES FOR TOP NBA GUARDS
Player, Team 2009 Salary
Gilbert Arenas, Washington $16.2M
Deron Williams, Utah $13.5M
Chris Paul, New Orleans $13.5M
Steve Nash, Phoenix $13.1M
Tony Parker, San Antonio $12.6M
Baron Davis, LA Clippers $12.1M
Chauncey Billups, Denver $12.1M
Monta Ellis, Golden State $11M
Mo Williams, Cleveland $8.8M
Devin Harris, New Jersey $8.4M
Jose Calderon, Toronto $8.2M
Jameer Nelson, Orlando $8.1M
Jason Kidd, Dallas $8.1M


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Another PG off the market.

Rondo isn't better than Arenas, Nelson, Billups, Parker, Harris, Nash, Paul, Deron Williams, Ellis all those guys can shoot. Rondo is a better defender than most but to be a guard and be such a poor perimeter & ft shooter knocks you down a peg especially on such an elite team. He is a pure pg though doesn't take many shots and his asts numbers keep getting better. Ellis isn't really a pg the asts numbers prove that and his shot attempts.

I'd say he's better than Mo Williams, Baron Davis their both streaky.
Not sure about Calderon haven't seen him play enough but he is nice I hear.

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I totally disagree with

I totally disagree with NYK2010. I believe Rondo is elite. He can't shoot - that's the only flaw in his game. He will probably give you 8-12 points per game and probably 7 rebs, and 9 assists. Great on the ball defender, athletic and a pure point guard. Top 5 in the league.

Arenas
Williams
Paul
Parker
Rondo

p.s. Jameer Nelson better than Rondo!? No way.

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I agree with The Alchemist

I agree with The Alchemist

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Rondo is arguably better

Rondo is arguably better than Nash right now, but you need to get your brains checked if you think Rondo is a better point guard than Billups right now.

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I think he is better than

I think he is better than Billups. Eat me

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No thanks... I don't eat

No thanks... I don't eat sweets and you're clearly full of that Rondo "sugar" right now. Lol seriously though... He's not better than Mr. Big Shot yet. Going forward, I'd take Rondo over Billups, but Billups is still a top five point guard and he proved that last season.

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I think he doesn't deserve

I think he doesn't deserve that kinda of money because that's a big difference what he was making before and now because 11 million a year is a lot and they have Allen and Pierce coming up free agents and need to save up. Look at Rondo at his playing on the court and stats DIFFERENCE is:

Court: Stats:
lock down defence low scoring
very quick beats defenders not enough steals( people
passes say he can be D.P.O.Y)
throws the extra pass
Has potential
Future all-star
almost triple double
averaging

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Mavs41, that made no sense

Mavs41, that made no sense to me whatsoever.

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Rondo is overrated

I think Rondo is the most over rated pg in this league. Come on now. You can put any pg on the court and let them pass the ball to Allen, Pierce, and KG to get 8 assist a game. If you think about it, give the ball to each player twice and that gives you 6 assit. How hard can that be? I'll give credit to where it is due. He is a good defender, I'll give him that. To consider him a top 5 pg in this league give me a break. Put him on another team and let's see what he can do. I'm not even talking a team like the Wolves or Kings; give him a team like the Pacers, Knicks, and sixers. I bet you he won't be such an impact player any more on those teams. PGS makes the players around them better and I don't think Rondo has that ability. I don't think he can make players around him better, the players around him is making him look a lot better than he is. It's all smokes and mirror when you think about his game. He's nothing but a solid pg who can play good defenese.

Top 5:

CP3
D-will
Billups
T Parker
Arenas - (been out of the game to long, has to prove he belongs again)

second teir
Nash
Davis
Kidd
Harris
Nelson

3rd teir
Rose (Up and comer rising very fast)
Calderon
Ellis
Rondo
Mo Will

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I would put Rondo maybe at 7

I would put Rondo maybe at 7 because at one Point tony Parker could not shoot but he added that. Still it is easier to put up nice numbers as a point when you can pass to HOF who know how to finish and play basketball the right way. I think given his age he deserve the money but not top 5 status.

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i dont think people are

i dont think people are looking at it the right way..when players like rondo gets that big pay check it means hes worth that to the team. what they bring to the table is something that the team cant easily replace. there may be players who shoot better or score more but what rondo brings to the table overall, most point guards out there cant bring.. too many people get caught up on the stats but think about one of the best pg in the history of the game is john stockton and his career averages is 13-10 but what he brought to the team is priceless

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Rondo is not overrated and u don't know &$#%#&@! about basketball

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If You Think Rondo Is

If You Think Rondo Is Overrated You Are Outta Ya Mind Man

The Guy Has Top Quality Defense And Is The Best Rebounding Point Guard Since J.Kidd,And He May Pass Him Up And He's Only 6-0 Man give Me A Break.

Yea The Jumper Is Not There But He's Only 23 Man

Top 5 For Sure.

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rondo is very very

rondo is very very good...but im not sure i can say he might pass up kidd..actualyl imma go on a limb and say he wont pass kid..kidd comming in was just a beast from day one he could do all these things rondo could do and hit clutch jumpers and 4inches taller

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Yalls have to get off Rondo

I didn't say the kid doesn't have game but to put him ahead of so many point guards in this league is plan out stupied. I bet you if boston could pick from any other point guard in this league they wouldn't have Rondo as their number one thru five choice in point guard.

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Sure I don't know anything about basketball but I know that Rondo is overated when you say he is top 5-6 in this league as an overall point guard. I didn't say he wasn't good, I just think thats overated for what a guy like him does.

Did you guys watch the playoff's last year? Rose look so much better than Rondo, out of the two I'll rather have Rose over Rondo any day.

Given that the NBA is restricted with what they can and can't do to get players. Yeah, Rondo does fit their team and needs as a point gaurd. They don't need to get a better point guard because they have the talent around to get by without a better point gaurd.

I can't wait to see the day that Rondo doesn't have the Big 3 any more and see what he can do. Prove to all of you Rondo fans that he is overrated.

Please, just because Rondo is on a championship team doesn't mean he's top 5-6. Thats like saying Fisher is top 10 in PG because he's the starting PG for the Lakers and he fills their needs.

Rondo is good, eastern all star good but not top 5.

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I understand exactly what you're saying. Anybody saying Rondo is a top five point guard is overrating him. I think you may be underrating him a little bit though. No way are Kidd, Davis, Calderon and Ellis better than him.

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rose looked so much better

rose looked so much better in the playoofs?..did you watch?..the guy almost AVERAGED a triple double in the plaoofs..while cause rose to turnover the ball alot including the 7 turnovers in one of the games

rondo-19.4 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 11.6 apg, 2.7 spg 2 turnovers a game and his team won
rose-19.7 points, 6.3 boards and 6.4 assists 5 turnovers a game

so how you figure rose looked so much better?

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how are people on here

how are people on here rating the pg?..it seems that most are just goin gby points and not looking at steals ,assists,defense,...im not saying he is a top 5 or isnt but im just curious to know how ya'll are rating it..because other then scoring what makes gilbert a better pg?..and parker?.nelson? etc

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you have to take everything

you have to take everything into consideration and stats are only part of it. You have to watch them play and also take into consideration how they would do on other teams and what not. People saying rondo is top 5 are overrating him. People saying he is not good or acting like isn't all-star caliber are underrating him. He is in a great situation where teams don't focus on him. It gives him the room to operate and find lanes. Watch how the lakers gaurded him last season, they put kobe on him and kobe just backed off and played the lanes and helped on other guys similar to how he does with Ronnie Brewer of the Jazz. The end result was rondo didn't hit shots or consitently get in the lane or have that much of an impact, and the lakers won both games. And when you compare him and rose in the playoffs, yes rondo outplayed him. But he is also 5 years removed from highschool while rose was 2 years from highschool.

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if thats the case then he is

if thats the case then he is high up there because he plays well hes consistant hes shown if he needs to he can lead the team in scoring while getting boards and assist(proved that int he playoffs)...not even looking at stats rondo is a beast..he only scores when he has too ..teams backed off of him all playoffs last year yet he still gets in the lane and still scored..thats exactly how toney parker used to score when he didnt have a jumper..even when you back off them they still score..against utah last year with brewer guarding him he had 25 9reb and 8 ast

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Rondo

He is not overrated. He is probably the best defensive and the the best rebounding pg of the NBA. I say that he is better than Nash and Billups right now. Nash doesn't defend, and Rondo has torched him whenever they have faced off.

Rondo has proven himself against many pgs that are said to be elite. He has dominated both Kidd and Nash multiple times, he unquestionably outplayed Rose in the playoffs, he has played Paul better than most others in the league, and is the most valuable player of one of the league's top two teams.

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thats exactly how teams play

thats exactly how teams play him yet he still gets in the lane and score

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Please explain... How is Rondo better than Billups?

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I think Rondo is a top 6 PG

I think Rondo is a top 6 PG in the NBA (LLPerez reminds me to say that after yesterday lol). CP3, D-Will, Arenas, Tony Parker, and Chauncey Billups are the only PG's better. I think Rondo is a player that you have to watch play because his scoring stats are watered down by the amount of players he shares shots with (as with all the members of the Celtics). His assist to turnover numbers are the thing you should look at statistically when evaluating him, because for how much he passes and handles the ball, he's OUTSTANDING at taking care of the rock. He has the ability to take over games without scoring, and he's an elite defender and rebounder at PG. Probably the best at both for his position. He's an elite and valuable player and now he's paid like it. Congrats to Rondo

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Rondo vs.Billups

Rondo gets in the paint and makes plays. Billups did when he was younger, but now he settles for too many jumpers. Also, Billups struggles in the clutch and turns the ball over sometimes. Rondo has struggled with TOs before, but he makes more plays. Also Rondo is a way better defender and rebounder. Also, Rondo can take control of games more. Billups is a better shooter. He is only a little worse than Rondo.

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I stopped reading when you

I stopped reading when you said Chauncey "Mr. Big Shot" Billups struggles in the clutch.

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tezo, did you not read

tezo, did you not read above? Rondo averaged a triple double in the playoffs. How many times do you see that? Never! He is superb, and I would take him over Billups because he is faster, more athletic, better defender, better rebounder and a better distributor.

Re: Tonyl33 - "You can put any pg on the court and let them pass the ball to Allen, Pierce, and KG to get 8 assist a game. How hard can that be?"

Are you serious? That is one of the most moronic comments I've heard on here.

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TheAlchemist... Rondo played

TheAlchemist... Rondo played out of his mind for 14 games during last year's playoffs and nearly averaged a triple double, but he ALSO shot .41% fieldgoals, .25% from three-point and .65% from the free-throw line. As a matter of fact, Rondo shoots .27% from three-point and .63% from the free-throw line for his career. That's terrible, especially the free-throw shooting. Point guards have to be able to shoot free-throws because they have the ball more than anybody else. That's a HUGE weakness in his game. He can't shoot the ball.

Rondo is a great passer, rebounder and plays great on the ball defense, but that's not enough for me to place him in the top five. That's why I have him ranked seven at this point. I can name quite a few point guards who have a more complete game than Rondo right now. I'm a Rondo fan, but I'm not going to overrate him.

I'm not going to say you can put "any" point guard on the Celtics and they'd average eight assists, but how's it moronic to acknowledge that Rondo plays with three hall of famers? He now has Rasheed Wallace who stretches the floor out even more, which gives him even wider driving lanes. He plays in a great system in Boston. He's in a great situation. To ignore that is what's moronic. Rondo's only responsibilities are getting the big three involved, not turning the ball over and playing defense.

2006-2007
6.4 PTS, .41% FG, .20% 3P, .64% FT, 3.7 REB, 3.8 AST and 1.6 STL

2007-2008... INCLUSION OF KG AND ALLEN
10.6 PTS, .49% FG (<---Wider driving lanes), .26% 3P, .61% FT, 4.2 REB, 5.1 AST and 1.7 STL

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I wasn't calling you moronic

I wasn't calling you moronic man. Tonyl33 who basically said that Rondo has an easy life.

I wouldn't bother quoting 41% FG percentage and his free throws, i know they are bad. But that, to me, is the only flaw in his game. He is elite at everything else.

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i see people saying this or

i see people saying this or that pg i better then rondo but no real proof..i like chauncy and think hes very good but break it down and say what exactly he does better then rondo, same with parker and the other pg...and what theses guys do better then nash because other than defense nash has almost all of them beat in every other pg catagory you can think of.......main thing youre pg shoul ddo is make others around him better( nash does that better then all the others, not turn the ball over alot ..those are the 2 main things you want youre pg to do...there are other thingw but those are the 2 things you cant do without

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I know you weren't bro... I was just saying that it's not moronic to acknowledge the fact that Rondo doesn't have as heavy as a work load as some of the other top point guards in the league. To ignore the fact that Rondo plays with three hall of famers and other good players is crazy. Rondo's not really counted on to score. He plays within an amazing system. His job is to get the ball to three hall of famers, not turn the ball over and play defense. He's done GREAT at those things, which is why he got paid and is being considered one of the best point guards in the league. However, to say he's in the top five is overrating him. He simply doesn't have as many responsibilites as the elite point guards in the NBA.

My top six were Paul, Williams, Parker, Arenas, Billups and Nash. Honestly, those last four can be arranged/re-arranged in any order. A lot of people seem to have written Nash off, but he's playing at an elite status right now and the Suns are undefeated. He still shoots 50% FG, 40% 3P and 90% FT. He may have lost a little quickness/speed, but he's still an elite ball handler, passer and has elite court vision. He still arguably makes his teammates better than any other point guard in the league.

Rondo makes his teammates better and does a lot of things well, but what seperates those players above from him is their ability to put the ball in the basket.

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see and thats where i

see and thats where i disagree ..rondo has shown the ablity to put the ball in th basket at a high clip when he has too...you put those players on boston and there scoring goes down.....rondo has shown that hes closer to doing the things that they do(scoring) then they are at doing the things that he does( ast,reb,defense,triple doubles)

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The numbers don't lie Q lol.

The numbers don't lie Q lol. Look at Rondo's shooting percentages. Look at his free-throw percentages. He's a point guard and shoots 65%. Rondo has shot a high field goal percentage in the regular season since adding KG and Ray, but majority of his points/shots are layups and shots around the basket due to huge driving lanes. Why do you think he has those driving lanes Q? If not for playing with the big three, players would almost always sag off of him and go underneath the screen beause he can't shoot. It's a HUGE weakness in his game. He can't put the ball in the basket consistently.

Putting the ball in the basket when he has to and doing it consistently every single game are two huge different statements. Those players in my top six can put the ball in the basket consistently, not just when they have to. I'm honestly not even convinced that Rondo can shoot even when he has to. I'm surprised when Rondo hits an 18 foot jump shot.

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players already sag off of

players already sag off of him....did you watch the playooffs?..every single team sagged off him but he still got in the lane and scored...liek you said numbers dont lie and when he was called on to score more then he usually does he did that..he did that the whole playoffs..where defense is alot tougher..he doesnt have to score when everyone is healthy...if you are winning games by blow outs with you just passing the ball and doing what youre team needs you to do then does it makes sense to try to shoot more?...hes proven he can score but he doesnt have to...if they were losing and he wasnt scoring then you can say he cant do it consistantly but they are winning and dont need him to score..hes doing what is asked of him...its like a all star or olympic team...players who can score dont need to because they dont have to to win..its that simple

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and rondo gets into the lane

and rondo gets into the lane because hes good at it not just because of the big three..just like parker gets int he lane with just duncan down there( and when duncan is hurt)....speaking of parker other then scoring he doesnt do anythign else great..he get sa good 5ast not know to make others better and his defense is average...youre looking too much at scoring when that is the least most important duties of a pg..the most important is getting others in volved, getting youre scores the ball in the best possible position to score and play good defense..you dont have to be a great shooter or a real good one to be a very good pg....shooting is less of a weakness then defense or turning over, or getting others involved....andre miller cant shoot still but teams still want him and say hes a very very good pg...ill give you a pg who can shoot but isnt very good at defense or getting others involved over a pg who cant shoot but can still score and play deense and get others involved any day of the week..give me jason kidd in his prime over chauncy billups in his prime

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Players sagged off of him,

Players sagged off of him, but not nearly enough. Rondo has elite speed, quickness and ball handling ability, so it's going to be hard keeping him out of the lane regardless. He did still score during last seasons playoffs, but he scored mostly off of layups and shots around the basket due to the driving lanes created by his teammates. They were missing KG, but Paul and Ray still created huge driving lanes. It's also not like he was lighting it up during the playoffs. He only averaged 16.9 points on .41% FG shooting, 25% 3P shooting and .65% FT shooting. I don't understand how you're not acknowledging the fact that this is a huge weakness in Rondo's game. The dude is a below average shooter in every facet. Being able to score and being able to shoot are too different things. I'm not saying he can't score... I'm saying that he can't shoot the ball, which is why he's not a top five point guard.

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He is a virgin pg tho'

He is a virgin pg tho' doesn't aver many shots and his asts mothers day wishes numbers sustenance effort improve birthday quotes. Ellis isn't really a pg the asts book grow that and his play attempts.

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