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ranking the pg's

there has been some discussion about where different pg's rank and I'm just curious to see how everyone ranks them. I'm not talking about career achievements or in future seasons, I'm talking about this season right now. Here is a list of 19 guys that stand out to me in no particular order just for your guys quick reference. You can rank top 5, 10, 15 I don't care. And feel free to add anyone you think I left off.

Tony Parker
Jose Calderon
Rodney Stuckey
Mo Williams
Jason Kidd
Devin Harris
Derrick Rose
Rajon Rondo
Aaron Brooks
Jameer Nelson
Chris Paul
Gilbert Arenas
Chauncey Billups
Baron Davis
Deron Williams
Monta Ellis
Russell Westbrook
Steve Nash
Andre Miller


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Although Kirk Hinrich comes

Although Kirk Hinrich comes off the bench, I think he is a top 20 point guard in the league, probably top 10 defensively. Also, I think Jason Terry is top 20 as well.

My top 10

1. Chris Paul
2. Tony Parker
3. Steve Nash
4. Deron Williams
5. Chauncey Billups
6. Jason Kidd
7. Gilbert Arenas
8. Derek Rose
9. Rajon Rondo
10. Devin Harris

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hinrich would have been my

hinrich would have been my 20th guy. I don't consider terry a pg.

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This is a tough list. There

This is a tough list. There are so many good PG's in the NBA.

1) Chris Paul
2) Deron Williams
3) Chauncey Billups
4) Gilbert Arenas
5) Tony Parker
6) Rajon Rondo
7) Steve Nash (getting a little long in the tooth)
8) Derrick Rose
9) Devin Harris
10) Jose Calderon
11) Baron Davis (could easily move up if he stays healthy and shows improved stamina)
12) Russell Westbrook (turnovers, turnovers, turnovers)
13) Jameer Nelson
14) Monta Ellis
15) Aaron Brooks
16) Jason Kidd (see Nash)
17) Mo Williams
18) Andre Miller
19) Rodney Stuckey

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my list: 1-Chris

my list:

1-Chris Paul
2-Deron Williams
3-Gilbert Arenas
4-Tony Parker
5-Chauncey Billups
6-Steve Nash
7-Derrick Rose
8-Devin Harris
9-Rajon Rondo
10-Russell Westbrook

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Iggy9's Top 20

1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Gilbert Arenas
4. Tony Parker
5. Chauncey Billups
6. Rajon Rondo
7. Devin Harris
8. Derek Rose
9. Steve Nash
10.Jason Kidd
11. Jameer Nelson
12. Baron Davis
13. Russell Westbrook
14. Jose Calderon
15. Andre Miller
16. Mo Williams
17. Mike Bibby
18. Aaron Brooks
19. TJ Ford
20. Raymond Felton

I think Jennings and Flynn will make this list by the end of the year, but not right now, because of how early we are in the season.

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Iggy do you not like

Iggy do you not like Westbrook?

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I can't see Bibby that high

I can't see Bibby that high at all. He can't defend, push the ball, or break people down off the dribble. He basically just stands in the corner and shoots while guys like Joe Johnson create the offense. You really think he's 13th iggy?

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My top 10 1. CP3 2. DWill 3.

My top 10

1. CP3
2. DWill
3. Arenas
4. Parker
5. Rondo
6. Billups
7. Nash
8. Westbrook
9. Harris
10. Rose

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No I left him off on

No I left him off on accident..

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I love making this

I love making this list....my list changes like every week so....

1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Tony Parker
4. Gilbert Arenas
5. Chauncey Billups
6/ Jason Kidd
7. Derrick Rose
8. Steve Nash
9. Jason Kidd
10. Devin Harris
11. Russel Westbrook (TOs kill him)
12. Jose Calderon
13. Andre Miller
14. Aaron Brooks
15. Jameer Nelson.....not the biggest Nelson fan
16. Mo Williams
17. Baron Davis.....not the biggest Davis fan either
18. Raymond Felton
19. Rodney Stuckey
20. Brandon Jennings...the reason hes so low is because, even though we all pretty much know whats in his future, keep in mind ehs only played 2 NBA games....so yeah

This sucks.....went through 20 names, and no mention of a Knick PG -_-

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MagikKnick, no Rondo?

MagikKnick, no Rondo? Really?

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if you want a knick pg, we

if you want a knick pg, we would have to rank the top 50.

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nah...top 100

nah...top 100

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Point Guard Ranking System

Point Guard Ranking System (trade value)
1. Derick Rose (Rose would be 5 if you go off oh where they are now with Paul being number one)
2. Chris Paul
3. Deron Williams
4. Tony Parker
5. Rajon Rondo(Rondo would be 7)
6. Steve Nash
7. Gilbert Arenas
8. Jameer Nelson
9. Jose Caulderon
10. Devin Harris
11. Russell Westbrook
12. Chauncey Billups
13. Baron Davis
14. Andre Miller
15. Mike Bibby
16. Brandon Jennings
17. Raymond Felton
18. Mike Conley
19. Jason Kidd
20. Mo Williams
21. Kirk Hinrich
22. Aaron Brooks
23. Ramon Sessions
24. DJ Augustine
25. TJ Ford
26. Rodney Stuckney
27. Tyreke Evans
28. Jarrett Jack
29. Steve Blake
30. Lou Williams
31. Mario Chalmers
32. Johnny Flynn
33. Kyle Lowry
34. Kenyon Dooling
35. Rodriegues Beaubois
36. Ty Lawson
37. Jeff Teague
38. Stephen Curry
39. Luke Ridnour
40. Rafer Alston
41. Sebastian Telfair
42. Darren Collison
43. Nate Robinson
44. Delonte West
45. Sergio Rodriguez
46. Benu Udrich
47. Eric Maynor
48. Will Bynum
49. CJ Watson
50. Javaris Crittenton
51. George Hill
52. Mike James
53. Chris Duhon
54. Earl Watson
55. Mike Taylor
56. Jose Juan Barea
57. Jamal Tinsley
58. Jordan Farmar
59. Anthony Johnson
60. Royal Ivey
61. Anthony Carter
62. Antonio Daniels
63. Chucky Atkins
64. Derek Fisher
65.

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Some of the guys at the

Some of the guys at the bottom could use some change and I changed in on my original copy

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chris paul has more trade

chris paul has more trade value than rose. he been in the league for only five years so he can still carry your franchise for the next 6-8 yrs

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paul williams parker rondo bi

paul
williams
parker
rondo
billups
nash
rose
harris
calderon
arenas

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1. Chris Paul - The best

1. Chris Paul - The best point guard in the NBA.
2. Deron Williams - The other best point guard in the NBA lol.
3. Tony Parker - Tough choice between him and Arenas, but Parker has rings. He's basically the man in San Antonio now and has been carrying the team.
4. Gilbert Arenas - It's early, but I think it's safe to say he's re-established himself as a top five point guard.
5. Chauncey Billups - Still Mr. Big Shot and I don't see him slowing down anytime soon. Due to his style of play, his game hasn't gotten worse with age. He'll probably be a top ten point guard until he retires.
6. Steve Nash - He's slowing down due to his back/age, but he's still an elite passer, decision maker and shooter. He's super efficient.
7. Rajon Rondo - He's at the top of the list of young point guards right now and he's moving up quickly.
8. Devin Harris - He's been injury proned lately, but I think he's a top ten point guard. I'm interested to see how much better he can get.
9. Jameer Nelson - He's a top ten point guard right now, but others will pass him up in due time. He's playing at his peak right now.
10. Derrick Rose - I expect him to move up this list sometime this season. Going forward, I'd take him over any point guard on this list other than Chris Paul and Deron Williams.

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Just out of curiousity, I

Just out of curiousity, I was wondering why Steve Nash wasn't getting much love here. I know he showed signs of slowing down last year and didn't have a great year, but he has started off hot this season. 18.7 ppg 14 apg while shooting .477 fg and .462 3pt, I understand he isn't the greatest defender, but I think his ability to create shots for teammates and his extremely high shooting percentages, especially for a pg still puts him in the top 5 still. I think he is going to have a resurgance this season and prove he still is an elite pg.

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llperez22

like your list alot, almost perfect for mine.. just because of big love for youngsters nedd Rose and Westbrook 1spot higher.

and just don't know about Jennings...i predict 11ppg6apg2rpg2spg before season(it would be just good rookie's number)
if he can put A.I. like numbers with let;s say 20/7/3/2 he is top10 EASILY(but it was just two games) so i got a middle with around 15/6/3/2 and jsut few spots under top10..
actually Flynn with 4 assists in limited minutes in last two games and still huge scoring has same good potential..
Rose vs Westbrook we called as new generation of pgs, so Jennings vs Flynn could be "little guys are back"? lol

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WOW

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RIGHT NOW?

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ok im lost LILPEREZ22...i

ok im lost LILPEREZ22...i make a list of who the best rookies are RIGHT NOW and who which players havent lived up to what we though so far and you give me hell about it being wayy to early but now you do the exact same thing about whos the best pg RIGHT NOW?..how is that any different then what i did?

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as WELL AS TEZO..I RECALL

as WELL AS TEZO..I RECALL YOU SAYING ITS TOO EARLY and i just couldnt help myself!

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quincey, I wouldn't say i

quincey, I wouldn't say i gave you hell. But the difference is that your thread was asking people to admit who they were right or wrong about. It's one thing to evaluate how guys look this early, but when I was gonna respond to you by saying how Curry looks better then I thought, I realized it is way too early to say I was right/wrong about him. And i just pointed that out. Also, almost all your players were 1st and 2nd year players, this thread is about proven veteran pg's for the most part. There are no rookies on it, so that's a difference right. I was not attacking your wanting people to discuss how the guys have looked, but I just didn't like the words "right/wrong" I guess.

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yeah but it woul dbe

yeah but it woul dbe different if ijust said wrong about..i said SO FAR which means they had a chance to eventually be right about the person..just like this list of plays so far..its he same thing..if its too early to say who youre wrong about now then its too early to say who is the best right?

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well, again, these are not

well, again, these are not rookies on this list and Rose and Westbrook are the only second year players, so as far as being able to evaluate where they stand right now, you are comparing apples and oranges.

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bubasically they are but cuz

bubasically they are but cuz you said exclued past acheivements and future ..which means judge them by what they have did just this short season...if you said take into account there past season then its different but you are saying judge them just like they are rookies since its just by what they have done so far...thats no different then judging rookies on what they have done so far since its all about so far..correct?

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no, now you are just trying

no, now you are just trying to twist around words to make an argument out of it. Everyone else on this thread understood what I meant. I meant don't say Kidd is better then rondo becuase he has clearly had the better career. This is not a career rankings list of achievments. This about who is the best players today.

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not tryna twist or make a

not tryna twist or make a arguement...this is a list of players on how they are doing today..not taking in account anything they did in the past liek you said...my list was PLAYERS how they are doing today..not just rookies..randolph was on that list and oden and jordan....my list was no different then this since we both were talking about how they are playing now..my point is theres nothing wrong with making either list because both of us said how they are doing so far in this short season...theres no difference because we put them both in the same fatagory of what they are doing so far without taking into accout pastt things

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again, you must have

again, you must have misunderstood what I meant. When I say who is the best pg's today, I meant don't give me a list of all-time accomplishements. If that were the case, then Kidd and Nash would be number 1 and 2 ahead Paul and DWill. Who are the best this season were my exact words, not just these last couple games. Everyone else understood that.

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thats what i said..this

thats what i said..this season..this season has only been a couple of games...just like my post said..this season...theres no difference

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so i didnt misunderstand

so i didnt misunderstand anything..youre post is no different then mine because we both said this season...just liek shwlton understood my post and commented about who he thought would be playing better (this season)

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you must really like

you must really like arguing. Later man

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not argueing just stating a

not argueing just stating a fact ..there was no difference in the post since we both said judge from what the players have done this year...my point was follow youre own advice...theres obviously no differences in the post since we both said judge by this season...i had some rookies but also had guys who werent rookies..you had guys who werent rookies but you said dont judge by anything they did in the past....zero difference

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actually its more alike then

actually its more alike then i thoght..i made my list BUT my topic said what PLAYERS not what rookies have people been wrong about..yeah id say later too if the other guy proved a point......you missunderstand my post

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Quincey, you say i gave you

Quincey, you say i gave you hell on the other thread. You stated what players are we wrong about so far, and the first response was it's too early to tell if we are right or wrong. I then agreed with that person saying yeah I want ot give it a while before I say if I was wrong about an unproven player after 3 games. I then logged off and didn't even see your responses or anyone else's or the points you were losing until the next day. That was my only comment, so how you could single me out as giving you hell is beyond me.

As for your thread, you took a bunch of unproven players and asked who we were wrong about. Had you just said who has looked good or rank these players or something, then I would have given you a response on that just like all the other threads that ask similar questions. But you wanted to know who we wrong about, and it is too early for that.

As for this thread, I said rank all the top pg's based on right now. I said not to rank them on past accomplishments or where they would be in the future because I wanted to see whre people ranked them today, that is all. The words rank on the first 3 games never came out of my mouth. It was implied, or so i thought, that this was just a simple ranking of all pg's. Everyone who replied understood and did so. When you said this was the same as your thread, I simply stated what I meant by saying i didn't want people to rank guys based on career accomplishments thus putting a kidd over a dwill. Instead of just saying ok, you turned this into a back and forth over nothing. So no, I don't think you proved a point. Our threads are not the same and you seem to be the only one who thinks so.

It's all good man.

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Is this a joke

Derrick Rose better than Steve Nash what games have you been watching.
He can't pass or shoot like Nash.

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Here's my top15.

Chauncey Billups
Chris Paul
Deron Williams
Steve Nash
Gilbert Arenas
Tony Parker
Rajon Rondo
Devin Harris
Derrick Rose
Jameer Nelson
Jose Calderon
Baron Davis
Russell Westbrook
Aaron Brooks
Andre Miller

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not a bad list atchodas, but

not a bad list atchodas, but man I just can't put anybody above Paul right now. I was watching them the other day and I swear I think CP3 has to drive the bus to the game to.

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You see, personally i'd take

You see, personally i'd take a PG who really makes his team better, makes his teammates bust their asses, play defence and act defferently, like Billups did with the Nuggets. Before he arrived, nobody thought they could play deffece, Carmelo was one of the most selfish players in the league ( again, just my oppinion ), and nobody even mentioned Ch.Andersen, D.Jones. When the trade happened, Denver started playing defence, they started winning. In Pauls case, yes, he's a great player, he can score, he can pass, but he doesn't make his team that much better, he doesn't have that kind of trust from his teammates that Billups has ( it's actualy not his fault ). Besides, we all saw what happened, when they faced each other in last years playoffs. For the ending, it's just my thoughts, you people have your own.

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