Are some players like JJ Redick finally showing that they are indeed talented when they get the minutes.
I finally understand why Orlando was patient with Redick and did not want to give him away. He had a game yesterday like games he had in college. On a team that gave him more consistent minutes this would be close the norm. He has even improve his defense since joining the league. You also have guys like Blatche and Gallinari has had two straight good shooting games. Also Bargnani is playing really well and it is not just numbers with him but he is playing and scoring smarter. There are other players that I have not mentioned here that are showing that they are going to break out. Ryan Anderson comes to mine so is Maurice Speights. Also Corey Brewer is trying to show he can be relevant and maybe we misjudged him early. How about you let me know what guys you have seen that are finally putting it together and may be impressing you.
reddick is defenitely playing well and with more confidence. The bid thing he is showing that i doubted out of college is his ball handling. He is pushing it up the court and even driving the lane from time to time. Guys aren't able to harass him as much I thought. But I have to disagree with your comment about " if he was on a team that gave him more consistent minutes last night would be close to the norm". Last night was a great night, but that's not gonna be the norm on any team in the league. In fact, I think he might struggle a lot more on a bad team becuase right now defenses are helping on everybody else and reddick is able to find his spots on the court. Orlando is a great fit for him, but i think he will be a career backup still. But defenitely a contributor.
He put up number his rookie year for the team USA young players team. Also I did not say on a bad team just one that would give him minutes. But I do feel confident that if he was on the Knicks, he could average more than 20 a game. He is shooter and to be in that system would keep him in rhythym. If he was just a specialist I would agree but now that Redick can do more. I am sure he could get his shot off thinks to what you say is better ball handling. I would also like to say that i was surprised with Ariza scoring over 30 points. I mean I know he is talented but wow, I am impressed. It will be interesting to see what happens when T Mac comes back. This season and also this coming off season will be crazy. There are a lot of players and starter positions that are there for the taking. They are young guys getting minutes and playing big. Who will be the team to capitalize on the next big move.
"On a team that gave him more consistent minutes this would be close the norm", I agree i see much much improvement, but you think his #'s would like something like this with more consistent minutes? i doubt they would be this nice, + the raptors have ZERO defense...
my bad just saw perez said the same thing.. i only read the initial post..
yeah the raps better figure out how to play d. Orlando didn't even have carter or Lewis and they still put up crazy numbers with ease. Nelson was driving the lane, the magic were getting open 3's all night. The raptors are not going anywhere with that defense.
If you go back over the history of the league, you will find many players who were glued to the bench on Team A and then traded to Team B or C, and turned into a very productive player. Let's remember that almost every guy who comes into the NBA was a star in college, so they have great physical ability.
The most important part of a player fitting in are his teammates, the confidence or lack thereof, from the head coach, and the style of play. Some guys just don't have the confidence of their current coach or the style of play doesn't fit them. After they're traded, they often find they're a much better fit on a team with a different style of play and/or a coach who has confidence in them.
As for JJ Redick, his progress, or lack thereof, was a total mystery to me. If I remember correctly, he was the number 11 choice in the draft. He was on a team that wasn't very good but remained glued to the bench his first two years. I could never understand why you would draft someone so high and then refuse to give him an opportunity for two consecutive years to prove himself, one way or the other. They wouldn't give him a chance to play and they refused to trade him, that was mind boggling.
Then last year, Van Gundy would play him twenty something minutes one night and then bench him for the next 2 to 3 games. Van Gundy kept him on a yo yo all season and I don't think anyone can play well under those conditions. Who knows what he's going to do when Carter returns from his injury?
I watched Ryan Anderson last season with the Nets and he was terrible. That's why they made him a throw away in the Vince Carter trade. But this brings me to another one of my pet peeves, we expect instant success from everyone in today's culture. However, history has also shown that the majority of new players take 2 to 3 years to adjust to the style of play in the NBA.
So why did the Nets give up on Ryan Anderson so fast? I think it was that instant success expectation. I'm sure if they could do it over again, he wouldn't be the throw away in that big trade.
Orlando is just that deep and on a mission. Also i never said Redick would be an All Star. I just said he could average 20 or more points. There are lots of scorers in the league that don't have complete games. I don't see why from a shooting standpoint he could not average 20 points or so when kevin Martin who is primarily a shooter can average around 25.
Every team in the league needs good 3 point shooting, but some teams need it more. Dwight Howard is the focal point of any team playing Orlando. If you have guys like JJ Redick on the court, his defender cannot possibly leave him to double team Howard down low, thereby opening up the lane for Dwight.
So even if he isn't draining threes and he never becomes a star, a guy like Redick is very valuable in Orlando.
wat about channing frye....postin 12,22,25 pts. averaging 19.7, he is getting a great chance, he is seriously underrated
We are in a what have you done for me lately league....It takes time for players to develop and mature for an NBA game and its more likely for this to happen than be an instant impact player especially if you don't get the minutes...
and RTBT, you could not be more wrong, anyone who watched Ryan Anderson last year and knows ANYTHING about basketball saw his great offensive talent and shooting ability...He was one of the bright spots for the nets last year...a great pickup, IDK what you were watching
Anderson did play well for the Nets last year and Orlando got a steal from New Jersey because they are trying to get Lebron. Anderson is producing more than he is getting paid by a lot now because he is on a rookie contract. Down the road they may have to trade him but for now they look awesome.
TD8118, I watched numerous Net games last year and saw Ryan Anderson clank one 3 pointer after another off the back or side of the rim. When his shots weren't going in, he didn't rebound, and eventually he lost his confidence as his poor shooting became a season long habit. His field goal percentage was a less than stellar 39% and he only averaged a 7 ppg and 4.7 rpg last year. That's hardly what NJ expected from their number one draft choice.
Let me ask you this TD8118, if he played as well as you think, then why did NJ gave him up as a throw away in the Carter deal?
As I stated earlier in this thread, you could see that he clearly had potential, but there's a big difference between potential and performance. Anderson had no confidence when he played with NJ. I don't know why, maybe he didn't feel Lawrence Frank had confidence in him, plus he was a rookie. I also said NJ made a huge mistake by giving up on him so quickly, but there were reasons why they did give up on him.
i watched andersen last year and thought he did all right. Those numbers aren't great, but pretty consistent with what a number 22 pick would give. I don't think he will ever be better then rashard as some people are saying, but he should be very good. He can mix it up on the boards as well.
We all have our opinions, but the facts speak for themselves. I happen to think those stats, especially the field goal percentage for a guy who was supposed to be a 3 point threat, were very mediocre, bordering on extremely disappointing.
Let's get to the big trade. Throw R. Alston and T. Battie out of the equation because they're nothing more than marginal role players. Now we have an even up trade of Courtney Lee, who had a very decent rookie season, for Vince Carter, an offensive scoring machine. If I'm NJ, I wouldn't make that trade even up. However, they then threw in Ryan Anderson, their number one draft choice.
Why would NJ do that unless they felt he performed well below expectations last year and they simply gave up on him? Believe me, if they had to do it all over again, I would bet a lot of money that NJ wouldn't put Anderson in that trade.
lee's contract =/= carter's contract. Alston and Battie were thrown in to make it work and they are both expiring, so the nets are basically freeing up space with this trade. As for the nets including andersen, i think they made a mistake. That's seems to be the general feeling around here.
You guys are saying he played OK, or in the case of TD9118, he played very well last year. That's the crux of this little debate. I'm saying he was a big disappointment to the Nets last season, and if he had played well, or at least much better than he did, Anderson wouldn't have been a throw in on that big trade.
If it were up to me, I wouldn't trade Ryan Anderson even up for Courtney Lee, let alone R. A. and Vince Carter together. In my opinion Courtney Lee will never be more than an above average SG. On a scale of 1-10, I would give him Lee a 6.
Ryan Anderson led the PAC 10 in both scoring and rebounding, it's rare to find a guy who leads a major conference in both categories. Therefore, I rate his NBA potential as a PF on a scale of 1-10 as an 8. More than likely he won't reach that potential and will wind up as probably a 7 on that scale, which isn't bad.
Last year Anderson shot a horrible 39% from the field. That was extremely disappointing for a guy you drafted because of his outside shooting. I think Anderson and Yi had the lowest FG% on the team. This year Anderson's shooting 53% from the field in general and 55% from the 3 point line. If he had done anything remotely close to that last year, he would still be with the Nets.
I'm pretty sure Leon Powe lead the Pac-10 in scoring and rebounding or if not very close. Would you rank him an 8 too? For the 22nd pick 7 and 4.7 I would say are pretty average or maybe a little higher. You can expect low shooting numbers from a rookie shooter.
Sometimes all it takes is playing time some examples Jermain Oneal, Shannon Brown, Ramon Sessions thats why i think people should not give up on Jared Bayless I think if he gets some PT he will do well he showed it a little last year when he got into games.
I might be wrong but I don't think Leon Powe led the Pac Ten in both scoring and rebounding. By the way, Leon Powe was one of my favorite players when he was with the Celtics. Unfortunately Leon Powe doesn't have much of a shot, he scores most of his points on put backs, while Ryan Anderson has the potential to be a deadly 3 point shooter.
I didn't say Ryan Anderson is an 8, I said he has the potential to play to that level if he can accomplish what he did in college. I also said my guess was only a 7 out of 10, which isn't too shabby. He'll never be a star, but he could be an excellent ten year pro. I in turn can never envision Courtney Lee being more than just an above average SG, therefore, I wouldn't have traded Ryan Anderson even up for Lee, let alone trading both he and Vince Carter. Part of the reason is my affinity for guys who rebound.
Once again, I don't know how many ways I can say this, Ryan Anderson had a very disappointing rookie year with the Nets and that's why they gave up on him. That's a fact, not my opinion, he's no longer on the team.
How much worse can you shoot than 39%? More importantly I watched a lot of Net games and Ryan Anderson was never a positive factor in any of the games I personally saw. I was rooting for him, but he was extremely disappointing. His shots just didn't miss, they clanged off the back and side of the rim. Maybe I missed those games when he played well?
But in the end, if he wasn't such a disappointment last year, the Nets would have never given him away. I don't know how much more proof anyone needs.
Now getting back to my opinion, as I've stated repeatedly in this thread, the Nets made a huge mistake by giving up on him.
ryan anderson was not disappointing on the nets last yr... What did you expect? They were not a very good tm at all.. who did they have other than Harris, Carter, and Lopez (who was learning the ropes last yr himself)...
Just naming a few here.
While in hindsight The Nets may have wished they didnt make that deal what is one supposed to expect from a guy playing with the listed names from above???? 3 were rookies, and several are 2nd yr guys. Of course in Orlando a shooter of Anderson prowess is going to thrive. HES GETTING OPEN LOOKS...... COMMON SENSE. Would he be doing this in NJ... HE11 NO
I watched Ryan Anderson numerous times last year and he had no confidence, his body language said it all. When he shot the ball, it was almost as if he was aiming and praying the ball would go in, but it didn't. Anderson rarely drove to the hoop, settling for 3 pointers, and seemed very tentative. The results were dismal with a 39% FG percentage for the season, along with Yi, lowest on the team.
With Orlando this year it's obvious watching Anderson that he's a totally different player. Whatever the reason, he looks confident, he's aggressive on the offensive end, and he's driving to the hoop more often than he did last year. When I watched him on TV I couldn't believe how different he looked and how positive his body language was. His shooting percentage is up to 53% on all shots and 55% on three pointers.
Once again Microwave, I can't believe you or anyone else thinks he wasn't disappointing to Rod Thorn and Net's management last year. If they weren't disappointed in his performance, why in the world did they virtually give him away for nothing?
Are you saying they traded away their number one draft choice because they were pleased with him, but the real problem was his teammates?
Now if you want to say the Nets have a lousy team, you won't get an argument from me.
I did not see all the games but in his rookie year with no set playing time, he showed flashes of being good and he also showed that he could play power forward and not down some shots. You don't see there and sweat over those kind of stats for a person their first year because most players break out their second year. Durant's first year was average if you watched the games. He took bad shots, he was too weak to finish a lot of plays. he played little defense. His improvement from first year to second year was tremendous. NJ made the trade for money purposes because I feel like if Lebron does leave Cleveland and with the way they are playing it is possible, He would go to the team soon to be the Brooklyn Nets. If you add Lebron to the Nets, they would be a better team than what Cleveland has now.