I'm not under the illusion that Luke Harangody is a lottery pick. On the other hand, he is flat out one of the best players in college basketball. He is rock solid consistent so you know what you're going to get from him every night. And over time, Harangody always proved he was better than everyone predicted.
Therefore, I find it hard to believe that NBADraft.net has Harangody ranked number 46. As I said in the title above, are you kidding? You cannot possibly tell me there are 45 players who are better than him.
OK, so where would I place him? If I were an NBA GM, I would look at Harangody late in the first round where there are very few potential future stars or early in the 2nd. Once you get past selection number 23 or 24, I think he would be an excellent option. I predict that he'll be a solid back up player in the NBA. Harangody is the kind of guy you want on your team because he will always be a valuable asset, a good role player and teammate.
He may not be a good defensive player but he's an excellent rebounder. Almost every team in the league needs guys who rebound. Give me a guy who can come off the bench, play 12 to 18 minutes and provide scoring and rebounding and I'll live with his defensive liabilities.
another great college player that just won't make in the NBA.
hes pretty good..the defense thing is funny because mot of the kids comming out of college werent great defenders..its been shown you can make the nba without being a great defensive player and that you can work on youre d( jj. reddick is a main case of a player whos d wasnt good in college who has gotten better)..also nbadraft.net gets so much wrong a year before the draft so dont look too much into there early lottery stuff
I honestly think he could do everything Big Baby does in the league right now, only Harongody has a better outside shot. He was the strongest player in the combine last season and is extremely skilled. He just lacks the ideal athleticism to become a high draft pick. I think he'll still go in the 2nd although he could squeak into the end of the first. He isn't a high ceiling guy, but I'm almost certain he'll be playing somewhere and giving someone minutes off the bench.
You are so right that defense wins championships but so does rebounding. Every team in the NBA has one or more players who are liabilities on defense, so Harangody will have a lot of company.
Every team also needs dependable role players and that's where I envision him in the NBA. He's a guy who can be your 8th or 9th player in the rotation, playing 12 to 15 minutes per game. He will never be a problem or a head case and you always know what you're going to get from him.
He may be lacking in terms of height and reach but Harangody's repeatedly proven he's an overachiever. And as I mentioned in the title of this thread, nobody can tell me there are 45 players who are better prospects.
hummmm younger matt harping actually seem dead on..never thought about that..though he should be a better rebounder
Harangody doesn't have the feet of Davis, nor the talent offensively that Davis has. I don't see him scoring much in the NBA, but he could be a decent rebounder. I just have an extremely hard time seeing him in the NBA with that lack of height and athleticism. At least Big Baby has enough quickness to help him compensate.
he actually showed in workouts that hes prety quick and more athletic then people think(..losing weight and working out after the eason had alot to do with it)..nba teams told him to work more on his handles and if he show that he has a chance to get into the late first early second.
I don't think harangody will play in the nba. He can shoot and rebound, but his footwork and athleticism are really bad by nba standards. I read somewhere that if he came out last year, GM's were saying he would have gone undrafted.
Hey llperez22, do you they were the same NBA GMs who passed on DeJuan Blair and Chase Budinger?
lol....pretty good point..
yeah, GM's are far from always correct. But picked early second round to going undrafted is a pretty big difference. How many guys have you seen tear it up in college and not do anything in the nba because their game just didn't translate? That's what Luke seems to me.
i saw gms saying he would have been a second round pick..actually when he wa interviewed he said that the consensous was he would have went second round. and that was last year..they told him what to work on and said he was talented enough ,if he worked on his handles and other lil things, to be a late first early second
When you look at Harangody's body, you can't help but come to the same conclusion you do llperez22, that he won't make it in the league. But once the game starts and you watch him play, the young man flat out dominates at the college level and does it consistently. I realize college isn't the NBA, but he always manages to overachieve and do far better than anyone predicted.
As I mentioned several times in this thread, if I had an NBA team I would love to see Harangody sitting on my bench, providing solid, reliable role playing. And I cannot believe anyone can honestly come up with 45 guys who are better prospects than Harangody. That's just incomprehensible!
man thats exactly what i think before the game starts..then after im like..damn how does he do it..i mean against uconn he scores at will and they are one of the best defensive teams in college with one of the best hot blockers in college,,,then i think when they play gtown that monroe will show him ince hes young and quick and good...luke thought other wise and gave him buckets too. im interested to see him this year now that hes lost weight which causes him to move faster and jump higher and now hes had a summer to work on the things the nba teams told him to work on..there really isnt a big different to what he brings to the table then what matt harpring brought to the table when he came into the leauge..even if hes not drafted high i have a feeling hes gonna stick in the nba
again, don't want to base things on one game. But i saw handfuls of different Harangody games from last year, and he looked solid, but had trouble finishing against physical teams with size. I watched his whole game against UCLA last february, and his stat line was 26 minutes, 5 points, 1 rebound, 2-13 fg's, 4 turnovers. The Bruins roughed him up all game long with Aboya and Gordon. He was shooting everything off balance and was a complete non factor as they lost by like 25 points. I was not impressed.
llperez22, I didn't see that game but the numbers you listed speak for themselves. Having said that, we can only go by our own experience. I watched Harangody play around 10 to 12 times and never saw him have a dismal game such as the one you described above. More often than not, when I watched him, Harangody would score in the middle 20's and grab 12 to 14 rebounds. There are very few players who can do that on a regular basis.
But I must admit that as I watch him play, I keep asking myself how he does it. Harangody simply doesn't look anything like your prototypical basketball player. He constantly amazes me as I swing from your viewpoint that he won't make it at the next level to watching him dominate against some of the best players in college basketball and believing he will make it in the NBA.
Either way, I still say ranking him @ number 46 is absurd.
I have nothing against the guy I hope he proves me wrong becuase I always pull for dudes who hustle. ANd I know his numbers are normally at an all-american level.
Just from a physical standpoint theres no way he gets into the first round. He measured 6'6.25" without shoes, has only a 6'9.75" wingspan, and a 31" vertical. Even with his impressive college career, he will have a ton of limitations at the NBA level, and being a 6'7" rebounding specialist who won't be able to hold the post against stronger bigs or keep quicker ones out of the lane isn't a role you necessarily look for. Even if he continues to show the ability to hit 3 pointers, playing him at the three is making his lack of athleticism even more pronounced. He's strong, he can board, and he can shoot it a bit, but he lacks the size, quickness, length, explosiveness to be a difference maker...
As for 45 better prospects, its a matter of opinion, but there are 50-60 I'd probably draft before Harangody if I include some of the freshman and sophomores on the 2011 mock draft, as they are all prospects for this draft too.
thing from above, but imo. Haragondy is far from a Lotto Pick. He's Senior who probably doesn't have much upside left...He plays for a decent conference on a poor team in my mind as well. He isn't anything special to me. He's a very good player at the college level, but 2nd round sounds about right ot me unless he blows up this season. He could be a good Role player in the NBA if anything
He's fine for college, but won't be able to make an impact in the pros. I have seen plenty of guys that are similar to him, but were much better players never stick in the NBA. I don't ever see him being a good defender or rebounder in the NBA. If a team has problems figuring out where a monster like Beasley should be playing, they will have a really tough time with this guy. Would you ever consider putting this guy on the floor against an NBA quality 3 or 4?
Harongody is undersized and a sub par athlete ( by NBA standards ) but I think his elite strength can help make up for it on the block. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he will ever be more than a role player in the NBA, and warrants more than a early 2nd round pick, but there are plenty of guys without size, elite length and a 38'' vert playing in the league. There are plenty of guys who are contributers on NBA teams who are 6'7'' power forwards, or lack quickness. I think Harongody can be an undersized PF in the league, he can use his outside shot to get his man away from the basket, he is strong enough and at 260ish he can rebound and fight for position on the block. Yeah, quicker and taller players will exploit his weaknesses, but his team can use him in relief in favorable matchups. On paper the guy looks pretty bad, except for his strength, but the fact he is a dominant player in the hardest college conference makes me think he can at least put together what he's good at in a way he can be a role player in the NBA.
There's no doubt on paper that he doesn't look like an NBA prospect. In fact, I sometimes have a hard time figuring out how he does so well at Notre Dame. Having said that, there are 6 ft 7 inch power forwards, such as Paul Milsap, who do very well in the league. I think Harangody is probably as strong as Milsap, who's a better rebounder, but LH is a much better outside shooter.
He can't play SF because, as you pointed out, he doesn't have the athleticism. However, just as other Power Forwards can probably take him down low and create a mis-match, Harangody can take them outside and shoot over them at will.
Let me repeat what I said earlier, nobody is projecting Harangody as an All Star. But if you want a solid role player who is reliable, consistent, and a good teammate, you can't go wrong with him at the end of your rotation. I would love to have him on my team knowing I can count on him for a solid 12-15 minutes every night.
And Mkadoza you're right about personal opinions. Even though he doesn't have the ideal body for the NBA, I think Harangody is one of the elite players in college basketball and he has an excellent shot at being a decent role player at the next level. I couldn't disagree more with your opinion. I've been watching basketball for a long time, and in my wildest dreams, I couldn't come up with 45 guys who are better than Harangody.
Once again, I would put him at the very end of the first round or in the early portion of the 2nd round.
he might not get picked high because of some of the stats you aid about hight and vertical but he will make a team and be in the nba because he will find a nitch like matt harpring did..the leauge is full of guys who were undersized and cant do many thing..but they have a il talent and work hard..he has alot of talent and works hard so i think he will be fine..i like jon brockman but luke is much better then him and work just as hard
I dont see Harangody having a role like Hapring at all. Hapring isn't a standout athlete, but he was at NBA level at least and he's a better shooter than Harangody. Y'all are acting like Harangody is just some polished 3 point shooter, it's not that strong a part in his game. He's not going to be considered a threat shooting 3's in the NBA like that at all. He will be like a Brian Scalabrine with less shooting skills if he makes it, and that's not a good skill set at that level.