LAKERS VS CLIPPERS
21 more free throws for lakers than clips. 12 for kobe, 16 for clips. i think as the season moves along they will be less sloppy. also, i think that had they been able to get to the line more, they would have won. it was all about the clippers not getting the easy baskets and the lakers continually getting them along with 37 free throws. when griffin comes back the easy baskets should increase as well as the focus. also, baron should heal from his foot injury to fix his explosion.
not yet...i gotta see what mayo does .....as the season moves along both will be less sloppy...lakers got to the line more cuz they have more agressive players..other then gordan and smith no one else was real aggressive u know
u starting to believe bynum>jordan yet
exactly, jordan got very limited minutes. imo, he badly needs a good mentor to teach him post moves, like abdul jabbar did for bynum. it wasn't about being aggressive or not, it was about baron playing cautious due to injury and the lakers getting to the bonus very early due to unnecessary fouls committed by the clips.
if you give anyone minutes they would put up better numbers..the thing is you arent gonna give someone minutes who hurt youre team when they are in or who isnt better then the players ahead of them..thats why you suppossed to make the lil min you get count and earn more minutes,,..you dont just give minutes u earn them
the lakers bench sucked because its not very good. farmar, brown, walton, vujajic, powell, mbenga. terrible bench. sure u can add in odom when gasol comes back but its just terrible. it was the clippers having good bench that made them come back in the 2nd not just the lakers having a crappy bench. also, DJ was in there to board and he did (5 in 11 minutes including some offensive rebs). he'll be fine.
wow! Andrew is stud, absolutely stud!(so is Greg btw, I LOVE THEM) 26pts so good offence, post game, athleticism, 300pounder in fast break?! he will be so so dominant one day! only thing he could learn from Oden is how to use his huge body , he is soft when his teammate shoots he stands near free-throw line, he is so tall and long that he is still able to be double-double guy, but today if he were more agressive he would grabbed about 20rebounds
and Eric Gordon, this is franchise guard, believe me! so tough , so FAST(don't forget he was faster in combine even than Rose and WEstbrook) and he is deadly shooter...
yes there is O.J. with 18.5 and Rose with 16.8 ppg in thier rookie years but i think Beasley and Gordon is best scorers out of this class..talking about Eric 11fga and 16ppg last year, today 14fga 21ppg, he is amazingly effiecient scorer.love it
Nice opener, can't wait another night!
clippers bench is ok..but lakers bench is the reason clippers came back..phil thought they could sustain the lead but they couldnt..when gasol comes back it will be much better though so im not too worried..if the game was a palyoff game phil would have kept the tarters in more and it would have been very ugly..dj wont be a factor this year so fans need to focus on kaman and camby...ive always liked kaman when hes not hurt or in shape hes pretty good...as far is eric gordan i dont think he will have a big problem with mot 2 guards...of course he did with kobebecause kobe is unguardable..but gordan has long arms and works hard on d...dont forget d wade i only 6;4 and if im not mistaken he has shorter arms then eric
i know i was just making fun of clippers saying jordan 5 reb in 11 min..so i added another insignificant stat by putting up mbenga stats to make it seem like he really did something too...and when blake comes back jordan can say good bye to those minutes also
The clippers looked good until they started turning over the ball their bench is pretty solid and is it just me or does thorton look like he regressed he isnt as aggressive as he was a couple yeas ago he looks old i know hes only like 26 but he doesnt look comfortable out there. I liked the was they played tonight especially since they won me some money by keeping the game close they only lost by 7. good job clips.
man, i can't believe I fell asleep for the whole first half. I just watched the second half when the clipps made their run outscoring the lakers by like 9 in the third quarter. People are putting the blame all on the bench for that, but truth is the starters were rusty in the third. Kobe was missing a lot of close shots around the rim and Ron wasn't doing too much. But the Lakers also looked like a team that was up double digits the whole first half and might have got a little lazy against a inferior team, so i'm not worried about it only being 7 points.
Bynum was beasting it. And I like how cliperrs asks Quincey who he would take between between Gordon and Mayo, and quincey gives an honest answer. But when quincey asks him about BYnum vs Jordan, Clippers still defends Deandre. 26 and 13 for Bynum to 0 and 5 for Deandre. If you still think you would keep DeAndre, then i don't what to tell you.
Gotta give credit to Clippers for giving the Lakers a run for their money... Chris Kaman was a stud and it showed in this game... But still, everyone knows in the arena that the Lakers are going to win no matter how big the margin is... Kobe is Kobe... Andrew is getting better and Lamar is doing his thing... This is going to be a test on every NBA team on how are they gonna beat a Laker team that's set to have the best record for 2009-2010 Season...
Are y'all serious? It's ONE game. DeAndre Jordan didn't have a good game, while the Lakers made getting Bynum the ball an emphasis from the get go. I expected him to have a good game considering Pau was out. Y'all have to remember... This is Jordan's second year in the league and he's playing behind two pretty damn good centers. It's going to take him time. This was the first game of the season versus the champs.
EJ is a stud period. He played Kobe well. Kobe is just Kobe. If not for foul trouble and not getting respect from the refs, EJ probably would've had 30 points. He's efficient too. That's why EJ is better than Mayo in my opinion. It's only one game, but EJ's mentality is to attack the basket. He can finish through players bigger than him because of his strength, quickness, explosion, athleticisim and length. You can't say the same for Mayo. Mayo has a jumpshooter's mentality at 21 years old and doesn't get to the free-throw line. He also doesn't finish well through traffic or at the rim. Everybody saying that Mayo is A MUCH better defender than Gordon needs to stop. If he's better, it's not by that much and I've been saying that for months.
This is ONE game though.
I've been knowing EJ since he was in 5th grade. He sleeps in the gym lol. His work ethic is off the charts and it always has been.
One thing I've consistently said about EJ, is he plays the game the right way. People on here tried to say he was just another player on a bad team that took a lot of shots. That's not true at all. He plays the game the right way. He makes the right pass, doesn't over dribble and is unselfish. He's a very good shooter, but he doesn't over-rely on it.
He's going to show us A LOT more this season. His confidence is through the roof right now. You can see it in his body language.
I'll say this about the EG vs Mayo comparison, I had been saying Mayo for sure all summer. But now it is looking like a toss up. Gordon reminds me of Mitch Richmond. Gordon is quicker , but Mitch had a little better mid range and post up game. Gordon looks like the real deal. I'm still gonna give a very small edge at this point to Mayo though. His ball handling and ability to create for others makes him more of a focal piece while Gordon is more of a finisher who get's his own numbers. But I could see myself changing my mind very soon on this. Let's give it a few weeks still.
As for DJordan, I never said he was not gonna be good or didn't have potential. I have given him plenty of credit every single time I talk about him. I just have to keep it real and when people say they would take him over Bynum (as if Bynum has peeked already himself) I have to think that is some serious bias right there.
Well said. I can tell you this though. Once the Clippers end their experience with Baron Davis, you'll see EJ do A LOT more.
Anybody who'd take Jordan over Bynum right now or even say they'd take him over Bynum in the future like it's a no brainer is definitely being biased. It took Bynum longer than two seasons to break out. It usually takes bigs a little longer. I'm giving Jordan time.
Id take gordon over mayo because he has deep range from anywhere on the court, is able to get into the paint constantly and can finish with the best of them, is super quick on the fast break with or without the ball, he does have nice passes when he drives and kicks out i dont know why people say he cant create, and people say his handle is sloppy but it didnt look sloppy when he burned it down the court left handed and did a lay up on odom. He also showed some flashes of good defense yesterday when guarding kobe or fisher, i know kobe still went off but when given the chance he never backed off
yeah its jordans 2nd year but its also some other guy second year who are playing better..it lopez second year as well as hibbert and kevin love and many other sophmore..yeah its one game but that excuse only works if he played alot..he obviously didnt play alot for a reason.."hes just not ready"..i was listening to jim rome and cowheard and they repeated what they said awhile ago...they loved bynums footwork even when he was drafted and knew one day hed be good...on the other had rome said jordan was athletic but he never seen any foot works or skills to indicate he i gonna be real special..yeah jordan is playing behind some good big men but blake is a rookie and hurt and i bet he plays more minutes and produces more then jordan when he comes back...and bynum got the ball because he posts hard and runs the floor..he makes him self a presence and get him self open..jordan doesnt do that..he doesnt post so hard that you feel you must pass him the ball and he doesnt have any post moves..and ej played good but lets please stop with excuses..not jut for him but for other players "if the refss would have, or if thi would of happen or that"..the fact is IT DIDNT so lets live in the reality and top with the if's
actually another player i forgot to mention was telfair..he played pretty well also...the clippers should be fighting for a playoff spot by the end of the year. till got my lake show taking it all..would like to see themvs clippers first round..home game every game for lakers
I don't understand why quincey is hating on DJ. I didn't expect him to do anything this game, maybe not this season, but comparing him to mbenga?! Thats messed up(kinda funny, but still...)! He needs help on ALL aspects of his game, and he could be good, but you make it as though he is the worst thing/player to ever happen/play to the Clips. They could always send him to the D-League anytime, whenever Griffin gets back. So, my question is, do you hate him or something, because all I'm getting is a lot of hate from you?
Who made excuses for EJ? Though they lost, I was satisfied with his performance, both offensively and defensively, so there's no need for me to make an excuse for him. I was just saying that he could've scored 30 if not for getting into foul trouble and not getting to the free-throw line enough. My point was that he's very efficient.
As far as Jordan... I've never said that he was ready. What I've said is that he has a lot of max potential and that he can meet it if he continues to work hard and gets playing time. Of course he's not ready yet lol. With the depth of the Clippers front court, he'll be lucky to get 15 minutes per game. Lopez is extremely offensively skilled (more than most NBA centers) and played two seasons at Standford. Hibbert played four years at Georgetown. Love is the only player you mentioned that's actually in Jordan's high school graduating class and he's one of those rare young players who are ready to contribute right away. Similar to DeJaun Blair, Love has a special skill (rebounding) that's going to get him minutes right away.
It's only one game, so no need to be so critical. How many bad games did Bynum have his first two or three seasons in the league? I mean, and he had a hall of famer working with him. Bynum didn't always run the floor and post hard early in his career. He learned that through coaching, learning and experience. Each player is different, but it takes these young bigs time to develop. Jordan still has a ways to go. He's going to have highs and lows this season.
wasnt saying hes as bad a mbenga was just making a point about stats ..also i dont hate him i jut cant stand when people before the season(manly clippers) said he is just as good or better then bynum right now...some of ya'll tarted looking more into then what i was saying and if you ready earlier you would see that. the ej thing was more of the saying if ej would have shot more he would have scored more which i didnt understand because thats usually what happens when you shoot more....also people need to realize that just beacause someone is athletic and big doesnt mean they have awhole lot of potenial to get much butter,,like i said before i see jordan a dan gadzurice,,neither can shoot both can jump both have no real post skills besides dunking..could i be wrong..of coure but i could also be right..time will tell but as of now thats who he is..bynum wasnt that great either when he first came in but coachs still raved about how good his foot work was and his skills set..when people talk about jordan the common theme is his athletic ability not his foot or skill set..and how bad his work ethic is. things like that rarely change if it been talked about from hs to college to there first year int he nba
I'm giving DeAndre Jordan time... lots of it... He's playing behind two primed Centers and two of the most solid ones out there in the West... But in order for him to bloom, he needs to get minutes though but he has to show that he deserve those minutes...
BIAS TIME: My Bulls could certainly use DeAndre at Starting C... LOL... I mean, yeah... He can contribute and would be a good player and a good fit for Derrick Rose's dribble penetration play... I think if you pair DeAndre with a Derrick Rose, it can be a young and dangerous tandem... You could say Nash to Amar'e 2.0. So Bulls, take my advice...LOL... But seriously, I would give up everything I have just to see the Bulls get a hold of DeAndre...^^
yeah he needs more years..but in order for him to get more minutes he has to earn them and he obviouly hasnt earn them by not playing much..he doent not play because there are other big men its because he doent help them more then he hurt them in the game and he doesnt earn it in practice..people keep saying he needs more time but they arent taking in account that hes obviously not doing enough to earn that time and they over look the things that he does to hurt the teams which could possibly be blown assisignments or not knowing the plays or producing more then the players ahead of him..in chicago he would have that problem evenmore because they actually have more big men who are better then the clippers have
LOL. Are you smoking this early in the morning? Two things you just said just blew me away. The first was that Jordan doesn't earn it in practice. He's been dominate in practices. His problem is carrying it over into games with limited playing time. He's not playing because he IS playing behind two primed centers and because of that he doesn't have a lot of room for error. He does miss a few assignments here and there, but he's not being allowed to play through his mistakes. Noah and Thomas are allowed to play through their mistakes because it's not like the Bulls have any really good veteran bigs.
The second thing you said was that the Bulls' bigs were better than the Clippers'. What?!?! You think Noah, Thomas, Miller and Gibson are better than Kaman, Camby, Griffin, Smith and Jordan? It's your opinion, but I'd sell that one for a penny.
actually my brother is cool with a couple of the clippers(works out wit them during the summer as well as other euro players because he played for 10 years) thats how i know that he hasnt been DOMINATEING in practice ..so im not sure where u are getting youre info from. second ..miller noah,thomas have had better careers then smith, griffin and jordan am i mistaken?..so that only leaves kaman and camby right?..so yeah the bulls bigs are better and jordan isnt playing behind griffin yet since hes hurt which means hes only playing behind smith camby and kaman..and actually i should be just kaman since camby starts at power foward..so yeah i know what im talking about...so explain from the careers how the clippers bigs are better then the bulls?
I disagree that the bulls bigs are better then the clipper bigs. I don't even think it's a coparison. Camby and Kaman are both probably better then any of the Bulls bigs. I'll also take even a rookie Griffin over Miller, Noah, Gibson or Thomas.
we can say whos better but all you have to do is look at the proof from each players careers and what they do now..kahman is obviously better then all of them now and miller and camby might be a draw but after that noah is better now then smith jordan ..griffin hasnt played a game so he doesnt count and thomas is better then smith and jordan also...you forget this topic was jordan would get even less time wit the bulls because of whos in front of him...talking about now..right now griffin isnt playing so jordan only has smith kaman and camby to contend with..wit the bulls he would contend with noah miller and thomas..hes not better then any of those guys and i cant mention taj yet since he hasnt played a game int he regular season..see my point now
I agree Jordan isn't being held back by competition, because truth is he needs to prove himself in games before you give a guy significant minutes. I've been saying that throughout this thread, so we agree about Jordan. But if you would honestly take Miller/Noah/thomas/gibson over Kaman/Camby/Griffin/Smith, I can't agree with that at all. Kaman is one of the better offensive centers in the league and camby is one of the best defenders. Griffin should compete for rookie of the year and Smith is solid. The bulls guys are solid, but Brad's been pretty weak for years now. The other guys can defend and rebound, but you can't go to them down low and watch them go to work. Not nearly enough offense.
im not sure you are reading what i wrote...the point was jordan would have a harder time in chicago because they have better bigs that ARE PLAYING NOW..blake is hurt...in clipper land he has to deal with camby, kaman,smith...in bulls land,,noah,thomas,miller and compete with gibson..you see what im saying now?..we are talking about right now as in this moment not future when blake is off injury
big laker fan here but i do like what i saw from the clippers..they were a lil sloppy but they played hard..kaman looks pretty good and im really liking eric gordan. even though kobe scored alot (no one can stop him) gordan played pretty good defense....
deandre jordan was no factor what so ever like i figured he wouldnt be..like i told clippers and others "dont overhype what people do in the preseason because the regular season is awhole different animal"
as i write this bynum has 26 and 13. 1blk....hmmmm he looks like the beast i predicted and much better then jordan...actually mbenga looked better then jordan
bdiddy looked good body wise just not game wise
khole kardashian must be making lamar happy cuz he played like he was pretty happy now imagin if he would have married kim
craig smith looked good but thats no suprise because hes a pretty good player...funny thing though i when they flashed his name on tv it said 6'7 215....anyone who has watched him play knows hes no where near 215..try 240 at least
kobe looked like a mvp and ron looked good..played within the offense and tough hard nose d...now imagin when 2nd team all nba pf paul gasol comes back