Barkley bashes Knicks' plan
Charles Barkley believes that Donnie Walsh's decision to essentially tank two seasons with the hopes of possibly landing LeBron James is bad management. "When you set up yourself by basically saying, 'We're going to (stink) for the next two or three years,' I don't think there is any way that can be good for your team," Barkley said. "They're not going to win because those guys know they're not going to be here next year. To expect them to give 110% is unrealistic."
New York Daily News
IMO, he is right. There is enough potential on that team to be a playoff team this year and get better through the draft. Chandler, Lee, Robinson are a pretty explosive core. Duhon, Hughes, and Darko are good role players. Lee and Douglas are promising young rookies. This team is just a nice big C and a different coaching style from being in the playoffs. IMO, D'Antoni's system will never produce a Championship. If NY is serious about wanting to be back on top, they need Charles as the GM and a new head coach. Running is good and all, but defense wins championships.
Problem is Barkley didn't knock the system or draft picks they've made recently.
He knocked their plan of waiting till summer of 2010 to make moves to improve the team.
Does he realize the mess Walsh walked into with guys like Crawford, Randolph, Curry, Jeffries with long term deals.
They'd still be capped out so they only have the mid level to use on free agents really.
Isiah already traded their 2010 draft pick so they'd have to be a 20 win team to get a top 5 pick basically.
Only guy they really passed on was Sessions that could help the team.
Everyone says 2010 is the best free agent class ever.
The Knicks have been awful since 2002 what 2 more years considering they do have some legit young guys.
They tried the philosophy of trading expiring contracts for talent and look how far it got them.
One playoff appearance in 2004 where they got swept and rest of the year being known as the most embarrassing organization in the league.
The team with Crawford, Randolph and other guys got them 23 wins the year before how much better could they had gotten with moves. A 7th or 8th seed the goal isn't to make the playoffs and hurt your cap situation in the long run.
Its to rebuild and be a title contending team over the long haul. If you can't do it through the draft you have to try at least through free agency. Even if they don't land LeBron plenty of guys who can help your team in the future.
Looks like Wade would come to the Knicks if they doesn't sign with the Bulls or Heat.
i would be a little angry also, unless you also believe in the superstar signing. I have been a life long jazz fan and as long as i can remmeber the management have put a team on the court that has a very ggod chance at winning. That is why i have bought and renued my season tickets for the last 6 years. I know that the knicks season ticket holders are a bunch of corprate, movie star, want to be seen ticket holders but the real fansof the knicks should be angry at what the knicks have done the last few years.
I totally agree with barkley you are not guaranteed any free agent look at the bulls a couple years ago when Mcgrady was a free agent and there were a couple star players out there nobody signed with them and they were down for a couple seasons you cant bank on signing a big time free agent the knicks have been waitingon 2010 for a couple years they are gonna be pretty disappointed when they dont get that big free agent and they are set back for another 5 years. Ad why would anyone want to go to a rebuilding team like the knicks anyway Lebron has stated that he wants to win championship its not gonna happen in NY.
The Utah guy you haven't had 2 idiots as GM's in Layden & Isiah running your team into the ground.
It did help that the Jazz signed Carlos Boozer and Mehmet Okur.
Not all Knicks season ticket holders are famous or wealthy I think you have them mixed up with the Lakers.
Also helps that you drafted a franchise PG in Deron Williams. Tell me when the Knicks are going to be bad enough again to land a franchise player in the draft. 2011 would be the next year they even have a 1st rounder.
Good point with the Bulls but who else did they have on their team and who was coaching at the time.
Guys will go where the money is, case in point Baron Davis he signed with the Clippers for big money.
He's not a top 5 player but at the time he was close to a top 5 PG and don't tell me guys would rather play for the Clippers than the Knicks.
As for LeBron, not like he's winning in a title in Cleveland, with parts he's been trying since 2007 still no luck. They added Shaq still at home they lost to a top team, their the 3rd best team in the Conf. At least most people agree he's either resigning with the Cavs or coming to play with the Knicks.
I think you guys forget that if you don't land LeBron or Wade next year there are plenty of guys left that aren't superstars but stars that can help. Unless I'm wrong and everyone will resign with their own team.
Already know a guy like Boozer won't return to Utah, and why do players keep saying they like playing for D'antoni.
The setting back your franchise 5 years thats just stupid. What Isiah did with his trades and moves set them back 5 years. Its not like Walsh is trading picks away to clear cap room. Total opposite they added Tony Douglas salary by buying a guaranteed contract last year in the draft. Barring some really odd moves the young guys Galo, Chandler, Douglas, Hill will still be here.
NYK2010.... So you think tanking is the best decision? I believe there are other methods to ressurect your team. Tanking would be the last option for me, and that would happen after the all star break, not before they play their first gm.
Tanking isnt the worst option, but you have you make decisions based on 1) your roster, 2) your future considerations (draft picks and the like), and 3) the free agents. You use the first two to make trades (ala the Celtics) but the Knicks lack of a first rounder and horrible contracts that no-one wants put them in the precarious position of having to hope the team develops and reaching into the free agent market. The fans can't get upset at whats happening now because, hey, we've been hemorrhaging money on terrible signings for the past decade... at least the current management has a plan that allows for the team to sign players for things other than the mid-level exception. The Knicks have been in a no-improvement mode for a long time, so wading through the mess would obviously take a while. As a die hard, forever Knicks fan, I only hope that Chandler, Gallo and Hill show improvement, because at this point, either than some unknown trade, theres nothing else to hope for beside free agents. Besides, getting one good free agent this year and another next year could put the team in a great position. Just have to stay patient because I'd rather have a team that knows it needs to make serious improvements than one thats good but can't get over the hump because its a "not quite good enough" team, like the Suns, the Mavs, and the Kings earlier.
frank layden was a very funny coach for the jazz, his son scotty layden was a very funny GM for the knicks in a bad way. Now unfortunattly scott layden is in the jazz organization as an assistant coach under phill johnson, and tyrone corbin. I hope when keven o'conner (the jazz GM) is gone somehow layden does not return as a GM to the utah jazz.
Tanking is really what teams do to get a top pick, more than likely guys Knicks won't have Hughes, Darko will be gone unless they have great seasons or sign for the minium. Those guys are overrated and add Mobley's contract thats 30.5 million.
Harrington could resign depends on if they sign a big time PF doubtful he gets 10 mill though.
Curry, Jeffries will be hard to move. Duhon could be a back up depends on Douglas progress, Lee or Nate one will could still be here based on other signings.
Chandler, Galo, Hill, Douglas will be here and the coach will most likely be here.
6 players will still be here barring a trade.
They are basically doing what teams on a low budget do and thats not adding any salary to the cap.
I know they gave Lee and Nate decent 1 year contracts.
With most of your philosohies they would be no better than the Mavericks last year even that would take some time and they don't have anyone close to Dirk.
Besides signing Sessions what would you do.
Kidd, Hill already passed on them, no old vet will sign unless they land some real talent.
Whether thats Boozer, Amare, Joe Johnson, Wade, LeBron, Bosh, Allen but guaranteed they get one big name. Last time they had money they landed 2 big name guys.
i think charles is right. as a gm it is your responsibility to build the best team possible evry offseason, not wait until the next season. to me, this whole 2010 free agent thing is going to be a big disappointmet. i think most important players probably will stay with their respected teams.