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Did The Knicks Make a Mistake Not Taking Brandon Jennings With The 8th Pick?

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Did The Knicks Make a Mistake Not Taking Brandon Jennings With The 8th Pick?

I personally think that the Knicks made a huge mistake not taking Brandon Jennings with the 8th pick. I really admire the Knicks 7 seconds style of play and looking at them last season, Chris Duhon did a solid job running that system but he broke down during the end of last season. They really needed an upgrade at point guard and after guys like Ricky Rubio, Jonny Flynn and the guy they wanted to take at 8 with Stephen Curry all weren't there, they took Jordan Hill. He was highly regarded out of this draft but the Knicks really needed a point guard that could run D'Antoni's system. Jennings would've been perfect for this team because he can score in a variety of ways, create for his teammates, make all sorts of fancy passes and last but not least, MAKE THE GAME LOOK EASY with all the stuff he can do with the basketball. It's a shame to say that Jordan Hill is not even in the rotation come the beginning of this season and if you don't believe me, here's the link.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/62354/20091026/douglas...


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I like hill and think he

I like hill and think he should become a very good player. but as of right now, I think they should have gone with Jennings. He looks better then I had expected. CHris Duhon is one of the worst starting pg's in the game right now.

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The knicks are 1 of the

The knicks are 1 of the worst run teams in all of sports...Then they bring in D'Antoni and his hectic run & gun style..I don't like the collection of players he have assembled....Jennings was there for the taking..He looks like he's a future star in this league.....DONT be surprised if the top free agents shy away from signing with the Knicks.....

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i would have taken jennings

i would have taken jennings but i cant say if they made a mistake yet since the season hasnt started..wont really know till the rookies have played a couple of years plus the knicks are a long way from even really being relevant

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As a Knick fan, im going to

As a Knick fan, im going to tell you that the answer to that question is YES. And its obvious even up to now.

We already had an overloaded frontcourt, and had a huge need at point guard (Nate is a undersized shooting guard, and Chris Duhon is talented....for a backup). So point guard with sky high potential that was pretty much begging to play for the Knicks seemed like the obvious choice to me..

And in a recent interview (i'll try and find it) D'Antoni said that Hill wont even be in our opening day rotation....but Toney Douglas will be.....this even further exaggerates on the need we had at guard

So Hill wont even be in our rotation....thats acceptable for a 2nd round pick...not a lottery pick
As for Jennings hes in Milwaukee competing* for a starting job...and maybe ROY

But the optimistic side of me is saying just give Hill a chance o_O

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Man, I might catch flack for

Man, I might catch flack for this but I think every team other than the Clips made a huge mistake in passing on Jennings. His speed, athleticism, flair and basketball IQ are off the charts and I honestly believe that when it's all said and done he'll be the best player from this draft. The kid can play.

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Jennings for sure

I like Jennings a lot and think he would have been fun to watch in NY. If he can gain a consistent jump shot he could be a steal at #10 pick. Could lead the league in steals in a year or two and might even make the lowly Bucks and exciting team. Jordan Hill is solid but completely unspectacular.

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HIll has potential

18ppg11rpg next to Chase don't comes from nowhere but....
Jennings potential is bigger and we knew it 4months ago, and now Jennings looks more nba ready than i thought, so the answer is easily IMO.

I don;t know your opinions, but IMO Blake is ROY Tyreke is close, and Jennings with Harden,Flynn, Curry is second unit(little sleepers for ROY)..but if he were knick i would say he is easily top2 ROY candidate

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Mistake

I definitely think it was a mistake. I'm not going to kill Duhon like everyone else though. I think he is a nice backup and I think he was a great pickup for this team because he is going to be a team first guy and because he signed a short year contract like the Knicks needed. As for Hill, I think he will be Ok in D'Antoni's system, but I don't see him ever being a great player. I could see him maybe turning out to be a slightly better version of Chris Wilcox. I'm not sure how I feel on Jennings, but I think Jennings has far more upside and he would give the Knicks a chance at taking a guy who could develop into something huge. For a team as bad as the Knicks, why not take a chance on the Homerun (Jennings) instead of playing it safe and just settling for a single (Hill)? Go big or go home.

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Knicks drafting

I've been thinking about the Knicks picks a bunch... it's way too early to throw Jordan Hill under the bus, but it's also a major concern that he couldn't really find minutes in the preseason. I watched all of the Knicks preseason, and Hill looked lost... he showed a few flashes with some blocks, and put-backs, but the game was moving too fast, which would be typical for a somewhat raw big... I actually think he'll be good, but it will take some time... having said all of that, I do think they made a mistake. With their two first round picks I would have gone with Terrance Williams and DeJuan Blair. T-Will has looked amazing to me... he has outstanding athleticism, and most importantly has been running the offense, showing off his passing and playmaking. He could have played perfectly with Nate, and in an up-tempo system would have flourished. He has that "one-man fast break" thing where he can really push the ball in transition, putting enormous pressure on the defense, and either make a play of finish. Although I think Toney Douglas will also be good, there is NO WAY the Knicks should have passed on Blair... I was born and raised in Manhattan, and NYC would have LOVED a player like him. He fits exactly what that city loves... toughness! I don't care where, or when he would've played, or if he fit a system or not, he's simply an animal.... New York would've fallen in love with him in an instant...

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Good pt

Jennings looks like the better prospect and has better upside.

Don't sleep on Duhon last year was his 1st year starting and he had no help, at least he has Douglas and Nate sometimes to help this year. Duhon is better than you think, he's a gamer but not blesses with great athleticism.

Hill needs time, hard to evaluate the guy only on summer camp and preseason.

Not sure who the Knicks next PG will be, if they get LeBron won't matter much if they don't could be a problem.

Man, I might catch flack for this but I think every team other than the Clips made a huge mistake in passing on Jennings. His speed, athleticism, flair and basketball IQ are off the charts and I honestly believe that when it's all said and done he'll be the best player from this draft. The kid can play.

Not sure about this comment, Warriors should've taken him over Curry becaz he's more of a nature pg, Kings def. blew it, Raptors, Grizzlies & OKC have PG's they believe are good enough.
So the Knicks, Warriors, Twolves, Kings passed on him.

As far as trading up to get him the Nets, Bobcats, Suns are set at PG. Nuggets are probly thrilled with Lawson.
Pistons, Blazers, Kings blew it they need PG help. Cavs are stupid, and everyone else likes their current PG.

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you made a good point

you made a good point nyk2010...also i dont think hill is as bad a pick as some say from the stand point of everyone said he was still raw and a project at this point. wit that said i wouldnt have pased up on jennings..i always said hed be a player even when some on here said since he didnt dominate in europe he was gonna suck int he nba( if you have ever played over there you know the game is very different (and even former nba players dont do well over there)..i do think they also should have taken blair as well as other things but i do understand the concern over the acl thing..when doctors say someone can still perform but it cuts there career short you do tend to listen

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the knicks are turning into

the knicks are turning into the hawks with these crazy drafts first they pass on bayless last year for a scrub then they pass up jennings for HILL what are they thinking? dantoni must thinks he can play anybody at point u guys are right NONE of the stars are going to want to play with this collection on scrubs

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no doubt

i love jennings and his game, i thought it might take him a while to adjust but it looks as tho he might be ready now. NY sure has messed up their drafts since donnie got there. if they wanted a big man so bad, brook lopez last year maybe? but mike loves his international players so much, he was way way way too biased. think of a base foundation of wilson chandler, maybe david lee, brook lopez, brandon jennings, and dejuan blair. if im lebron, im taking a long hard look of getting to the big apple

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Actually after thinking

Actually after thinking about it, the Knicks made the right move. Hill gave them leverage to use with Lee and they hope to retain him. Jenning is not a great shooter and even though he will be a great point guard, Knicks would rather a shooter and Duhon is not the long term answer so saying Jenning is better than Duhon is not really nothing. The Knicks are being patient and there will be a talent fire sale soon and the Knicks will reap the benefits. If you look at some team with guys with starter potential on the bench and a really good draft class coming it. Everyone thinks the Knicks are just doing what they are doing for Lebron. They can actually rebuild thier team by making lopsided trade money wise a get some unused talent from other teams like when the Clippers added Camby for nothing. Wizards have 3 shooting guards plus a few combos. Someone will have to go. Imagine the Knicks getting either Foye or Nick Young for basically nothing and coming at a cheap price. They can only make the deal if that player extends and right now neither is getting enough minutes to demand anything more than 9 millions at the most but is starter material, Boozer will have to go somewhere that is not Utah and also with a great class of power forwards coming in some quality power forward will fall into the Knicks laps. Also look at the point guard class next year. Where will these guys play. The Knicks are one of the few teams that need a point guard. A lot of other teams are stacked there. The way it looks now. John Wall would be coming off the bench for a lot of lottery team that got a point guard this year. Also Knick could be holding out for Rubio. By the time Rubio comes over here, most team will not need him at point and also Flynn and Session should have Minnesota not really in need of a point guard. Knicks will give up a draft pick for Rubio, a future one because they will plan on being decent enough for it not to be lottery. I am mad that Knicks did not move up with their second 1st rounder and grab Teague. Taking Jennings after dealing with Marbury would have been a hard sell because of questions about his personality.

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Hill

I think a good point was made about Hill being leverage as far as Lee is concerned, but I have a feeling that after this season, Lee won't be back and Hill will fill in his role. I doubt Hill can rebound at the same rate as Lee, but he provides similar activity and should be a better defender. The thing about D'Antoni's system is that it pads a lot of guys stats and ends up making some guys look better, which they should use to their advantage in any trade opportunities.

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Good pt about Hill.

Bayless ha , they have Nate and Chandler who can play SG.
Worse was last year passing on Brook Lopez he's a franchise Center and Anthony Randolph a PF with huge upside.
D'antoni better play the young guys not interested seeing Hughes, Jeffries playing in crunch time.
Jennings mouth and playing &$#%#&@! in Europe knocked his stock down.
Not sure which PG they like either they've passed on everyone except Kidd.

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that would make since

that would make since shewlton except the knicks wanted rubio whos is a worst shooter then jennings..the knicks needed a good future pg whether he could shoot or not..they are in the position of best player available...as far as jennings running his mouth i liked it..he gave a honest answer about what he thought of rubio( reporters and fans always complain about a player giving generic answers instead of being honest) and the other thing was something he said in private and shouldnt have been leaked( we all have said things to friends that we wouldnt say in public)..and his play in europe had nothing to do with his stock because scouts in the nba didnt expect him to do alot over in europe because they know how different the game is and the system..just the fans and people who dont know much about european basketball thought he wasnt that good over there

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leverage

donnie walsh is a seems to be a smart man, and in the N B A, if u take a player based on "leverage", than you are a damn fool. in regards to the jennings vs rubio debate, that is definently up in the air, i think rubio can make it in this league but that is a way off and do you think a prospective FA this summer would go "oh the knicks might have rubio in 3 years, i'll go there" rather than "jennings looks like a stud, i wouldn't mind playing alongside him"?

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jennings

the knicks do not need another nate robinson..if anything this guys ego is way bigger than nate. he would have had some troubles with the coach. plus he would have been tough resigning cuz all this dude cares about is money. he can be a true point guard for the knicks but i think the knicks looked at him for his ego.

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lol..all he cares about is

lol..all he cares about is money..are u his father or brother or something?..do you say this because he went overseas instead of college?..if that the case add lebron.,kobe,dhoward, kg to the list of players who just cares about money..and comparing jennings to nate is farrr off..nate is a undersized 2 guard that only cares about scoring where as jennings is a tru pg that can not only score but plays d and rack up assists. and what are u basing him having trouble wit the coach on?..got along with both hs coaches who say hes very coachable, got along with euro coach who said the same thing and so far scott skiles( who has a record of not being the best endorser for rookies) raves about him...yeah that sounds like a kid who doesnt get along wit coaches

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yeah you obviously havent

yeah you obviously havent watched jennings..seems he was one of the top assists men in summer leauge and racked up assists in preseason..hmmmmm shooting guards objective is to score firt if im not mistaken...get youre facts straight before you talk buddy..youre lack of basketball knowledge is just amazing...and if im not mistaken you just jumped all over mayos jock in the post you made about him..oh now hes a future superstar..lol,,and since when i jennings a 2 guard...man do you even know who he is..lol

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wow are you really that

wow are you really that juvenile? now i can see why people on here sent me emails saying to just ignore you and skip over what ever you write...enjoy argueing with youre self..peace

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Ok The Big O

I fell for it. Like I said before, Machiavelli has nothing to do with basketball, but since you keep bringing him up and sounding like an idiot, I will take the bait. The Prince is Machiavelli's take on how government should be run and how a Prince should rule his state. He discusses the importance of being a strong ruler, and how while it is important to be liked, it is more important to be feared. He states that in our corrupt world, the only way to govern is by assuming that "the end justifies the means."

Machiavelli's "The Prince" has absolutely nothing to do with basketball. You lying about what you think about Mayo has NOTHING to do with that topic whatsoever. I don't have a problem with you expressing your opinions about basketball. What I do have a problem with, Is you spewing your ignorance all over this board and then attempting to back it up with completely irrelevant political theory.

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The simple answer is, yes.

The simple answer is, yes. Yes they clearly made a mistake. They needed a PG much more than a PF, and since PG is so much more important than PF, they made the wrong choice. Jennings has superstar potential, and Hill will be a role player (a pretty good one too) I believe. But I believe most would choose a potential superstar over a role player.

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yeah i feel the same

yeah i feel the same way..jenning has supper star potenial and contrary to other peoples opinions he is a pg and not a shooting guard, that looks to pass first but can also score

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YES. They made a HUGE

YES. They made a HUGE mistake. It's still early, but the Knicks haven't drafted well that last two drafts. They passed up Eric Gordon, Brook Lopez, Anthony Randolph and DJ Augustine last year and then passed up Brandon Jennings this year. It's confusing because I get the feeling they would've picked Rubio or Curry if they were available, but Jennings is better than BOTH of them.

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I Quit

I'm not arguing with him anymore, It's useless.

Yes, I do think they made a mistake. I believe that Jennings is one of the few players in this draft with star potential, and I think that is exactly what NY needs right now to make them significant again.

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yea im youre father a pg

yea im youre father a pg would really help them..then add to the fact the offense that they run would really highlight jennings strengths. with that team i can see jennings winning the rookie of the year award even though i think he can win it wit the bucks but not as easily

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Yep

Jennings fills an immediate need at point guard, and would bring excitement back to New York and help energize the franchise. If he had done well this year, he also may have been key in trying to attract Lebron, who has never really played with a point guard like Jennings.

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lol...actually i agree with

lol...actually i agree with what u said so here u go..although i didnt give myself a point on this

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Brandon Jennings

Brandon Jennings would have been a good upgrade over Chris Duhon... His quickness and court vision are uncanny... Jordan Hill was a solid pick but Brandon Jennings being available at 8 was a big scratcher for the team who needed a PG-caliber like him to man the point for NYK... It seems like another long season for New York...

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With Griffin experiencing a

With Griffin experiencing a new injury every other week (shoulder, knee and knee), Jennings' chances of winning the award are increasing.

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It's Way To Early To Tell

Since the choice was limited to Jordan Hill vs B. Jennings, I won't throw any other players into the mix such as DeJuan Blair.

The Knicks have three pressing needs, defense, rebounding, and PG. Neither Hill nor Jennings will solve their defensive issues, so the next question is, what will each player bring.

Hill was an outstanding rebounder/scorer in college and he's relatively inexperienced, so he has yet to come close to reaching his potential. The key comment above was reference his rebounding, something the Knicks need badly.

I cannot believe people are writing him off because he's not starting, or in the rotation, when he hasn't yet played a single game. Hill is obviously a work in progress and I think he was a very good choice that will probably develop into a solid power forward down the road. We'll know a lot more in 1 to 2 years.

Remember, every rookie doesn't start out as a star, most of them need time to adjust to the NBA.

I don't know as much about Jennings, but whatever strengths he may have are yet to be determined, so it's far too early to say he would have been a better choice. More importantly, I have a strong feeling that R. Rubio will eventually become the Knicks PG of the future, thereby making the selection of Jennings a moot point. I just cannot picture Rubio playing in Minnesota.

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