Fizer's Take: New York Knicks
New York City? The City that Never Sleeps... The Yankees and the Mets... The Rangers... The Giants and the Jets... and oh yeah... The New York Knicks... I haven't really thought that much about them because they don't scream "championship" to me... Well, at least not this season or next... Well, the Knicks' greatest accomplishment last season was getting rid of "cancer" Stephon Marbury and his ridiculous contract out of the Big Apple. Donnie Walsh does have his work cut out for him but he'll be fine as long as he keeps his head straight. Mike D'Antoni brought his exciting system to NYK which allows fans to be more excited than ever. But still, the Knicks still don't have that certain guy that they can rely on and thus, they struggled mightily into the season though with respect to a new dawn for the Knicks, they did post a 32-50 record and had one of the highest scoring ppg in the L last year. Still, the old saying goes, "Offense wins games but defense wins championship"... Apparently, Mike didn't want any part of that thus giving also as many as 106 ppg from the opponents. It has been a so-so year for the whole team but when you look at the achievements made by a couple of guys from the team, you could see that it's not at all bad. Nate Robinson had a breakout year and so did David Lee. Nate won the 2009 Slam Dunk Contest while David was a consistent double-double guy for the Knicks team who needed Lee's ethic to provide a little boost. Chris Duhon was also a guy making a mark by having a 22-assist game during the regular season. Plus, acquiring Al Harrington, Chris Wilcox and Larry Hughes in different trades could at least save the team a little bit of cap space come 2010...OOOOPS... If you expect a talk about 2010 on this thread, you'll be disappointed. I'll only talk about what's in store for NYK this season. They had a so-so season, a season that see them missed the playoffs for the 5th straight year. This was the year where they got burned by Kobe for 61, where they were tormented by a near triple-double from LBJ including 52 points, and where they got dropped by the Big C's of Greentown, all of them happening at the Mecca of Sports. Donnie Walsh still see "dirt" on this team and he vows to clean up the mess that Isiah had made...(Eddy Curry's FAT contract and Jared Jeffries')...LOL... The team is hoping to rebound this coming 2010 Season... Ahem...
The Knicks have been to the lotto for the 5th straight year and this is the 2nd straight year were they have a lotto pick since they gave up their lottery picks to the Bulls last 2006 and 2007. The Knicks landed the 8th pick which is not bad. The team has been very vocal and has been salivating to get Stephen Curry or Ricky Rubio but as expected, they were gone by the time the Knicks were on the clock. So they decided to go to another direction and drafted Jordan Hill whom D'Antoni claimed as a "young Amar'e" for a baby Knickerbockers. That's not a bad comparison at all but we have to see what's in store for Hill this coming year. What I do know is that Hill is a pretty athletic big man that loves to run down the floor- a great fit for D'Antoni's system... They also acquired Darko Milicic from Memphis and got rid of the inconsistent Quentin Richardson, who began a tumultous journey after this trade... The Knicks were also able to buy the 29th pick from the Lakers... A pick that could give them a quality player and they did got one in Toney Douglas. The Seminole Combo-Guard could be one of the steals in the late first round and is considered as one of the most underrated players in the draft. You can forget about his size but you can't forget how good his scoring mentality is. Not just that, Toney is also known to be a good defender, a rare combination of offense and defense for the Knicks. The Knicks did play it safe in this draft compared to 2008 when they drafted Italian sensation Danilo Gallinari. They avoided scrutiny though Knicks fans wished they could have made something out of a Ricky Rubio or a Stephen Curry. It's just that, luck wasn't good on them FOR NOW... The draft was good since they got the players that they wanted from their Plan B.
The Knicks are still far from being a contender. You can't really judge them now since they aren't going to make any moves until 2010. The offseason has been quiet overall for New York. They just added a couple of pieces from the draft +Darko and not that much. They also made heads and finally re-signed David Lee and Nate Robinson to a qualifying offer which, to them may be a disappointment, but they understood what the Knicks are planning to do. They also tried and hurdle in Eddy Curry and get him into a good shape as soon as possible after missing almost all games last year. Will they be able to save enough cap space for 2010? Can New York Hoops rise back to the top? Will the Yankees finally end the 9-year drought of no World Title and finally get #27? My bad, I was out of line when I asked that...(I couldn't help it, I'm a Yankee fan)... How will they be able to hold out this coming 2010 draft since they will have their draft pick go to Utah? So many, many questions lingering in the City That Never Sleeps but in time, we will be able to get the right answers. All we have to do, especially Knicks fans, is to wait PATIENTLY and see the fruit that Donnie Wlash has been laboring. Maybe we could see a superstar wearing a new Knicks uniform or if they failed to court that certain someone, they can always have Plan B to Plan G... Who knows? The Knicks will be back... All we have to do is wait.
NBA Draft Grade: B+
NBA Offseason Grade: C
Predicted W-L: 33-49
This is just a writer's opinion... Anyone care to comment, I am open for it^^
Man, the knicks are like the old saying money doesn't buy you happiness. Well money doesn't buy you wins either if you spend it stupid. A lot of people are saying the Knicks are different now because it is a new GM and coach. Well let's wait and see because it was the same owner who hired two of the worst GM's in sports history in Scott Layden and Isiah Thomas. Who's to say the new GM won't end up just as bad.
As for D'Antoni, I'm never a fan of a coach who does not care about defense. Good championship caliber coaches like Phil, Rivers, Sloan, and Popovich call timeouts and yell at their players when they blow defensive assignements. D'Antoni just yells "hurry up and take the ball out of bounds, we need to score. FOrget about who blew their defensive assignement, we need to score." I'm not a big fan of that type of coach.
As for next summer, I think Knicks fans will be dissapointed. Lebron and wade will both probably stay home. Maybe a bosh or joe johnson comes over, but is that really gonna turn your franchise all around? Good luck Knicks.
edit, double post
Yeah.. I noticed your double post..LOL
But you failed to see why they even won 32 games last year and improved from 23 wins the year before.
33 wins with a healthier, deeper more talented roster damn I'd say I say 37-42
Some reasons why.
Hill, Douglas, Darko, a healthy Galo, even if you think all those are busts they are at least bodies.
The bench is much improved last year it was only Nate off the bench.
Lee finally doesn't have to be alone at Center and they have some guys who can block some shots too.
Duhon has some help last year he tired as he logged a lot of minutes.
For most of the season their SG was QRich once Crawoford was traded.
Almost all the player Isiah brought in are gone, Malike Rose, Qrich, Jerome James, Steph Marbury, Jamal Crawford, Zach Randolph, Mardy Collins,
I agree with some of the knock on D'antoni D philosophy but some of these guys didn't play much D before he took over.
The East top tier improved but most of the other teams didn't.
Bobcats, Nets, Sixers, Bulls, Bucks, Heat didn't improve or got worse.
im sorry but the knicks no matter how u put it are headed for the lottery again... u gotta think, 37 wins in the east this year could mean the 8th seed... detroit got in last year with 38 wins.. and i dont see the knicks getting close to that.. in fact im guessing they get worse...
also gallanari was the worst draft pick ever... why would anybody want him over eric gordon, brook lopez, anthony randolph, or marreese speights.... im betting a 9 ppg career scorer... hes a player that should barely crack the rotation on any other team yet for no good reason that ive seen, d'antoni thinks hes the best shooter ever... idk i was just really pissed when they took him... the knicks could be so much better..
also u cant try to build around a superstar who isnt there yet... its just so stupid..
The will be alright and winning 35 40 games will not be too much for them depends on the schedule. Also if Galinari turns out to be the next Nowitski or Bargani then yall will be be proven wrong. Also right now finding combo guards is easy but I am mad that Knicks let Brooks pass though
My thoughts on the Knicks:
A: Gallo may be "the best shooter I've ever seen," as Mike D'Antoni said, but he's got a pretty long way to go before he becomes a serious scoring threat. It would be very beneficial to him to add more of a post-up game, as he's not quick enough to consistently beat people off the dribble.
B: They need a starting point guard, and they need it now.
C: I don't know if it was injuries or what, but Larry Hughes has really been sucking it up these past couple of years.
D: Eddy Curry has that fat player option after this year, which could really eat up their cap space and ruin their chance of getting LeBron or anybody else. I don't see why he wouldn't take it, it's free money.
E: There is no lottery for the Knicks. There would just be no draft pick. I don't see why a big-name free agent would come to a team where most of the guys aren't even legitimate starters.
hill is a baby amare???..lol now that funny..he plays nothing like amare when amare was a rookie , by the way he was younger as a rookie, hill has shown int he preseason and summe rleauge that he has a ways to go.. d'antoni also overestimate his players..first gallo i the best shooter hes seen and now hill is a baby amare...man this guy should be a comedian as well as a coach..as far as them winning 35-40 games i dont see it because just about every team got better then year and the knicks are baically the same/a lil bit better
yeah im not ure why..i watched him in college and although he can jump he doesnt have that go hard attitude on offense like amare does..not many big men do
they are only subpar defenders because they dont try on defense. they have the potenial to be very good defenders but they just dont put the effort into it. lebron is a prime example. his defense was susspect untill he decided to put more effort into. derrick rose will hopefully go down that ame path
How much does Amar'e weigh though? I bet it isn't 240/250. The Knicks are a shambles, and they are in some kind of fantasy world by thinking that a big name will want to join them next year. If Bosh, Amar'e, Wade or LeBron go to the Knicks then they are mental. This is what happens when you get idiots running your club, who then run off to manage in the NCAA.
ask any coach and they will tell you that defense is effort..jut like getting rebounds. there are rarely if any lock down defenders in the nba because no one can shut down everyone every night in the nba since every guy is pretty can score on a given night..amare could be a much better defender then he i now. its no different then how people say players have the potenial because of the physcial tools they posses. amare has those physical tool of being quick athletic and being able to jump. being in the right spot can neutralize height and weight and athleticim as well as making a hard effort. thats how some players before good rebounder or defender..bruce bowen is an example of a player not taller or stronger or quicker then most of the guys he checked and the same with dennis rodman but they gave max effort
point being every star gives other players trouble..you arent gonna shut down a star..theres been games where amare has scored at will against duncan does that make him a bad defender?..there were game where amare played very good defense against duncan also...gotta also take into account that defense has never been smomething the suns focus on
tweener?..ok no one ha ever said he was a tweener or to small to guard pf..thi is the first ive ever heard this..yeah hes not a center but no one ever disputes that hes a pf...he does a better then average job as a pf and there isnt a team out there that wouldnt take him weather for there pf or center position..he doesnt need to add any more weight( another first time ive heard this)..but it seems you have that set in youre mind so to each there own. i remeber a fan tryna tell me years ago that garnett needed to gain alot of weight alot of weight also . for some liek those guys there weight work for them they use there speed with less weight to do what they do. amare either needs a system that stresses defense and need to put more effort into defense..its that simple
if anyone was 2 inches shorter or taller there games would change...thats a given
al jefferson kills everyone for one..plus hes the only real offensive weapon for them and they lost the game..amare has punished him before also so does that mean al should lose weight?
no i jut agree that if you give anyone 2 inches or take it away it changes there game...thats common senses. if youre good then youre weight doesnt matter..amares game isnt back you down power so he doesnt need more weight the same with garnett and bosh..you dont need to be real tall or real big to have the right combonation to change the game on defense..many players through history have shown at many different heights and weight that there is no set combonation..there has been many players with the same heigh weight speed as rodman but you have to have the effort..thats the main thing..if you dont have the effort then it doesnt matter what combination you have. you can be shorter weigh less and not real atletic and still be a very good defender...you cant with all those things and no effort though
just ask a coach if effort is the most important thing that makes a player a good or great defender and see what they ay..and you will have youre proof
or google and look at what coaches had to say what makes a good defener in the nba...effort and heart will be the first thing you see in every coachs/players answer..all the other stuff helps but isnt nessesary
yeah coaches that coach in the nba and players who have actualy played in the nba saying that the most important thing is heart and effort isnt proof. i see you knwo more then them so im done with this topic.