rose and westbrook debate
Why do people say rose is a pure point and westbrook isn't? If you look at their stats they are basically the same and rose played more mins per game.I think westbrook is better now and will be better longterm since he just started playing point.You can't use that rose is a winner cuz they both won in college and rose went to a team that was a good team and in the east. The bulls were a really good team they just had some injuries the year b4 and got lucky buy getting rose. Rose didn't just take them to the playoffs buy his self they weren't that bad without him. That same team swept the heat after their championship and the heat had everybody back so don't act like he took them to the playoffs against the celtics and almost won by himself. They are both good but westbrook brings more to the table he can do everything rose can whereas rose can't play d or rebound like westbrook. Also rose only averaged 1 more assist playing 5 more mins meaning he's not a way better playmaker than westbrook. Rose also let rondo dominate him in the playoffs he's good but rose made him look great. Its close but I say westbrook. But both are franchise point guards. The thunder would be in the playoff mix if they were in the east also. It will be like paul and dwill people say paul is way better but when they match up he gets dominated. Let's see how both players play in year 2 and don't look at team success cuz we know its a big diff from the east and west! That's why LeBron isn't linked to going to any team in the west cuz it would be to hard for him to get to a championship.
both are capable of being all-stars. I will go with Rose though. Westbrook might have similar or better stats, but watching them play, I think Rose has a greater impact on the game. He should be a franchise player and I can't say the same about Westbrook.
thing is tho rondo is a pretty lanky gaurd who can play pretty good d... but rose (and gordon...) in JUST his rookie year lead that team to one of the best series ive ever seen...
for right now, westbrook plays way better defense, is way more athletic, and is a better rebounder... but rose has more potential...
westbrooks assists could also be inflated by passing the ball to kevin durant for his usual 25 attempts or so per game...
i still think westbrook is better.. but its close, rose could get way better in time it all depends
To Be Honest, I Always Thought Rose Was Better And I Still Do Just Because He Has That Flair To His Game And Westbrook Doesn't. BUT When You Actually Think About It They Aren't That Far Apart From Each Other.
Derrick Rose is fast but no IQ yet. Westbrook...who cares he's on the Thunder!
I personally would say they are both NBA caliber point guards. I really think the term "pure point" is overrated, especially when you consider every great point guard, with the exception of Stockton, could go off for 30 on any given night. Nash, Paul, Williams, and even going back, Isiah and Magic, were all exceptional because when they couldn't get shots for their teammates, they could get shots for themselves. The best of the best use the threat of their pass to score (Chris Paul). Thats what seperates the Rose's from the Rondo's. Rose can get his shot when ever he wants and he's crazy athletic. No one has ever made driving to the lane look so effortless. He's got the best body for a point guard I've ever seen, and honestly Westbrook is a close second. Rose's raw basketball talent is a sight to behold, and though Westbrook is a better defender and rebounder, he doesn't come close to Rose's feel for the game. Rose understands tempo, change of direction, and the flow of the game better than any 20 year old I've seen. Westbrook has gobs of potential. But I don't see that singular ability to be the focal point of the team. He could be the second best player on a championship squad, but I really believe Rose can get to that Chris Paul, Deron Williams level.
As of right now I'm still going with Rose. I still see Rose as almost a combination of Chris Paul and Deron Williams. Most people on this site would agree that those are the best two point guards in the league and this is the guy that is a hybrid of those players. Don't get me wrong. I like Westbrook a whole lot, but he's not a pure point. Not saying that is a bad thing, as his size and ability allows him to do more and allows him to cause matchup problems. The scary thing about Westbrook is that he is so raw, but I really think he needs to work on his understanding of the game because one thing he does is that he has way too many high turnover games. Both guys have a lot of things to work on, but I know that I would be happy with either guy, but I'm still going with Rose. There is something about the qualities that he has that makes you think Elite franchise player and I see that happening way sooner than later.
Take a second and just read your post. It doesn't make any sense. You question why people consider Rose a pure point guard, but not Westbrook... But then in the next sentence you say that Westbrook JUST started playing point guard. There's your answer right there... You answered your own question.
Rose has been a point guard his whole entire life. He's never been a combo guard. He's always been an athletic pass first point guard who could score. Westbrook has never been a point guard and he isn't right now in my opinion. He's a high wire shoot first slasher who's learning to become a playmaker. IF he can reach his max potential as a point guard, Westbrook will be special. However, it's too early to tell if he will. He's still VERY turnover proned, out of control and shoots an awful field goal percentage. You can't say that Westbrook is better than Rose as a point guard at this point, when you said yourself that he just started playing the position. You also can't say that Westbrook will be better than Rose long term at this point, because it's not like Rose will be at a standstill as Wesbrook is improving.
Your whole argument just doesn't make sense. You say that they both won in college. True, but Rose won MORE. As a freshman, he led Memphis to the NCAA Championship Game, elliminating Westbrook's Bruins on the way there. How can you discredit what Rose did as a rookie last season? He was the starting point guard on a playoff team. He won Rookie of the Year hands down. If you switched Rose and Westbrook places I can GUARANTEE you that the Bulls wouldn't have made the playoffs, while the Thunder would've been much more competitive in the West. Truth is, not only has Rose always been winner and won on every level, he's been at the forefront.
esperanzafleet69 - Did you say that Westbrook is "way more athletic" than Rose? After that, I can't take anymore of your posts seriously.
Sup - "Derrick Rose is fast, but no IQ yet." His IQ is so far beyond his age, that's it's not even funny. Are we talking about the same Rose here? We're talking about DERRICK, not Malik Rose lol.
ppl are dumb.. this site is really making me hate westbrook with all these posts.
No thats not me and its not 816 its 416 get it right! I think Rose is better than Westbrook and always have so why would that be me? Rose is my favorite PG in the NBA I think he will be a allstar starter this year.
Yea I'd take Rose. And like Tezo and others said, how can you question whether Rose is a PG? That's all he knows. Westbrook is much more rough around the edges and much more inefficient. Rose also takes over games through scoring and passing better than Westbrook. He also is a better shooter, especially from mid-range even though neither one are anyone to talk about in terms of shooting. Westbrook provides better D, but Rose has the ability to turn into a dominant defender as well. Probably not quite on Westbrook's level but dangerously close. Give him about 2 years and Rose will be a defensive menace. He shows signs every now an then of it.
with westbrook give him time liek some of ya';ll say wit rose..if rose can get better at the things ya'll name then its just as logical to think westbrook can get better at being a pg. hes putting up comparable numbers to rose while still learning the postions..and hes better at aspects of being a pg then rose is even though rose has been a pg all his life
Westbrook is better.. much better D, just as athletic, Just as good or better stats per 48 mins..
Better situation with a great young team, he will have a better career. I think he could sneak into the ASG this year .
There are guys on this website with a lot of knowledge, but I'm wondering how you can properly evaluate Westbrook because he's on one of those NBA teams that are NEVER on national TV. I can tell you that I never saw Oklahoma, Sacramento, Milwaukee, Charlotte, the Clippers, or Washington play last season. There are probably a couple of other teams that I can't think of that were never on national TV.
thats why you buy the leauge pass..i used to get pissed about not seeing certain teams thats why i bought it..that and college game day thing so i can see just about any game in college also
that's where league pass comes into play if you get it. I had surgery last nov 21 and was laid out for like 3 months straight, I watched league pass like crazy. I always keep an eye on ex Bruins to see how they are doing. Westbrook had a real good year, but I still take rose first.
Rose is the superior player.......easy as that.
man i think ill have to switch to rose because mikes arguement was so convincing with so much proof to back it up...how coul di ever have doubted
what do you want from me? Argue why you like Westbrook more and ill show you how silly that is.
no but if you say a definate statement like that( although its just a opinion and not a fact) on a chat form i would think you would have evidence to back it up.
no but if you say a definate statement like that( although its just a opinion and not a fact) on a chat form i would think you would have evidence to back it up.
i just told you i would if you want me tooo, but many of the reasons were stated already, and i think this conversation is nonsensical considering Rose is above and beyond the player Westbrook is.
I could'nt have said it any better my man... And for everyone who says Rose is better gets a point from me...(not that anybody cares but I do)... This debate has been here for more than a hundred times like "o Westbrook is better cause he plays good D... Westbrook is more athletic..." Come on... Derrick Rose is the real deel... Derrick can hit shots when needed to though he doesn't do it consistently... Derrick can jump and I don't need to give examples of his athletic ability because he has one... Derrick can pass and is a certainly pass-first PG... Derrick is a leader but needs to be more vocal out there... He is a one of a kind point guard that makes me want to watch the Bulls more... The time this debate was born happened during the season and not in the draft camp... It was a Rose-Beasley debate before this... Rose has been considered as a top pick prospect while Westbrook has been projected at 7-10 only to rise at 4 during the draft... The debate at who's the better PG? Well, Rose has played PG almost all his life... To put him on a level on Chris Paul and Deron Williams is already a great honor and he has proven that so far... I don't take anything from Russell but the mere fact that he plays along Kevin Durant makes him tough to be a "franchise player".... Derrick is the next big thing for Chicago and he will continue to be in more years... Both PG are athletic but considering the talent on both players, I simply pick Rose hands down... Westbrook is still learning the point while Rose has been there and done that....
Fizer, you have no idea how much I was praying for Westbrook's stock to stay low enough for the Knicks to have grabbed him at 6. But your 100% right about Rose. he is the truth. Super hyped and all he did was win. All he does in win. And he doesnt have to rely on his athleticism the way Westbrook does.Westbrook is like Steve Francis and Rose is like a healthy Baron Davis. Rose has a game that would work even if he was Jose Calderon or Andre Miller. Its his head and basketball instincts and IQ that separates him.
derrick can hit shots when he needs 2?..hes hit maybe 4 shots or less in crunch time but now he can hit shots when he need 2?..no he till has a bad jumper just like west brook..no one is questioning his athletisim at least im not and the same with westbrook..they are both athletic..ben gordan won games for them not rose..rose did help but it was gordan who won the games...westbrook does alot by more then just athletisim..i watch just about all there games and its obvious by watching that he has a very good basketball iQ..i dont know whos is better but both rely on athletisim about the same..rose uses speed, out jumping, and power just as much as westsbrook so go ahead with that..ya'll can say rose is alot better all you want but the only proof ya'll keep comming up with is opinion proof not facts
Honestly Westbrook was my favorite rookie pg last year so I know his game in and out but for people to really say hes better than Rose is insane. Yes he surprised and put up close numbers to Rose but how could you compare someone like Rose who came and took over a very talented team and lead them to the playoffs and to game 7 to a PG who is on a bad team who isn't even no where close to there leader. I have never seeb 1 PG just give Rondo problems night after night like that honestly. Rose s Cp3 n D-Will on steroids for people to question him being a pure pg is foolish. Only thing Westbrook does better than Rose is play defense other than Rose is more athletic quicker better passer n better scorer. Hes just plain out better.
Give Rondo Problems?
I hope you meant He gave Rondo problems on D
cause Rondo's stat line was something like 20/10/10 that series wasnt it?
Yeah Rose was good on Offense I'll give you that, but Rondo torched him that series.
I believe he was talking about giving Rondo problems when Rondo was on D...
i assumed he did, but he gave him NO problems when Rose was on D..
Rose has no defense we all know that but on offense he is a Bull. That's what I meant Rondo couldn't D him up like he Ds other PGs, but saying Westbrook is beter has to stop...and I laughed when someone said Westbrook is more athletic. Only thing Westbrook does better than Rose is play defense.
they're both great athletes. I do think Westbrook is slightly better as an athlete, but that's kinda like saying Ray Allen is a better shooter then Reggie Miller, it's so close does it really matter.
You're right... They're both elite level type athletes and have freakish athleticism. It's close, but I just don't think Westbrook is slightly better, nor equal to Rose. They have similar leaping ability, quickness and first step, but I think Rose is ahead in those categories too. What separates Rose for sure is his body control, strength and ability to change gears. His ability to stop and go at such a high speed/acceleration is unique. That's why his hesitation moves are so deadly.
In my opinion, though they're both elite level athletes, that small difference that separates Rose from Westbrook does matter. That's like saying that even though Michael Jordan was slightly better than Clyde Drexler as an elite level athlete, it didn't matter because they were so close. Obviously that's false because Jordan was able to things that Drexler just couldn't do. When comparing elite level athletes, the differences are never huge, but those small differences can determine a lot. So yea... It does matter to me. Those differences, though small, will allow Rose to get to places on the court and do things that Westbrook won't be able to do.
well, i've been on record many times saying rose is better then westbrook and that rose can compete for the best pg in the league very soon. I don't think there are many people who are bigger believers in rose on this entire site them me. But russell is a slightly better athlete in my mind. Rose is better at using his athleticism because he's more skilled and polished. But Russell is the slightly better athlete.
rondo played some very good defense on him..didnt stop him from scoring but more importantly he made him turn the ball over alotttt...made him seem like he was just learning to be a pg
Your right, but Rose has always been a turnover case all season still little things he needs to learn to be on Cp3 and D-Will level as a pg. Other than that hes better than Westbrook.