Am I the only 1 that thinks he is a star in the making? Why did portland sign miller when they have bayless and roy gets them in their offense? Its like they gave all the young players a chance except him and he has as much talent as rose and westbrook. He's not a pure point but he doesn't need to be because they have roy. After summer league last year I was sure he would start over blake who is still playing cuz he won the championship n college. They need a new coach one that would play bayless and let them run they would cause problems for a lot of teams. Trade him or play him he's a game changer
I dont think he will ever be great in Portland even though I do think he could if he gets traded. They should of played him more a year ago and this year they go and sign Miller its like there trying to hurt his development. He needs to get out of Portland before he can be a star.
he isnt owed anything. he is going to earn his playing time. if he doesnt beat blake out for the backup role he doesnt get it. its that simple
I don't see how this hurt his development because in the days with fewer teams great player had to wait their turn. If he doesnt get big minutes in his 3rd year then it is a problem.
i think he could be playing this season but its not a must until next year. im fine letting him develope and learn under miller for another season.i think hes got star potential and if he can learn to play the point a bit better will be the long term point in portland
He is a great player but he is just another undersized SG. Why would he get burn when you have Brandon Roy who scores and sets up the team at the SG position. If he was traded to the knicks he would be great portland isn't for him.
Bayless is good but i'm happy that you're still believes in him, because in other sites i see no love for Jerryd..
year ago he was one of the favourites for R.O.Y. in same scoring potential category with Gordon and Mayo, and i think now he is might even better because he everyday plays against guys like Roy Blake...but on the other hand if he is so good i don;t think coach still don't give time to his future star(even in a pre-season game)
why is he a star in the making?..because of what he did in summer leauge last year?..seem like when players play real well in summer leauge against players who wont even be in the leauge fans go overboard. personally i think if he wa a star in the making he would play more,do more when he does play, or at least tart over steve blake. blake isnt a bum but he isnt a great pg either
superstar in the making to me =production in the regular season...and if you arent getting time then that means youre not producing enough in practice or the guy ahead of you produces more. and if that guy is a average pg whos producing more then that doesnt equal superstardom to me because obviously youre athletisim and other skills arent good enouh to overtake a gy who doesnt have those superstar qualities
"superstar in the making to me =production in the regular season...and if you arent getting time then that means youre not producing enough in practice or the guy ahead of you produces more"
Exactly. Especially at the point guard spot where there is so much more than just raw ability needed. You might draft a huge athlete as a project to be a forward or center, but you don't draft sprinters to turn them into point guards. You'd better see the instincts right off the bat. I'm not saying that Bayless is without those instincts, but I doubt they're nearly as developed as Blake's or Miller's.
i think he has tools to be a star, but isnt one yet. Hes a shoot first PG on a team with plenty of capable scorers. maybe different scenario / tm might show different out put. Until then learn to pass.
personally i dont think he has the tools to be a star..i would say he could be something like ben gordan but he isnt the shooter that ben is..alot of people are hanging on what he did in summer leauge to trasnlate to the regular season, i even think some in the blazers organization is doing the same thing. it only been one year so i wont judge too harshly but he hasnt shown the ability to be a starting pg in the nba let alone a star
He has 20 ppg potential, but he has to do other things to be a star. He also is a good defender when he gets to defend PG's. He's a great scorer though
20ppg in the summer leauge potenial..when has he shown in the regular season that he has that though?..sounds like another case of randy foyle..i remember hearing these same words about him
Uh, Randy Foye does have 20 ppg potential. He averaged 16 a game last year, so it's not out of the question for him to get to 20 ppg. And you'd have to be blind not to see that Bayless has plenty of offensive ability. He'll have to play with a big PG, but he could light up the scoreboards. There's a reason he was a lottery pick.
I say trade him while he still has value.
everyone has offensive ability..just because you average 16 doesnt mean youre gonna average 20..the only thing you can say is maybe just like me seeing as he hasn done it. so basically not out of the question for him not to average 20..an bayless hasnt even sratched 10pts a game yet so hes closer to me saying he cant average 20 then he is to him averaging 20 as you say correct? and theres a reason alot of guys are lotto picks...cuz of what someone THINKS they can do..does it always mean they can do it?..no...and im sure bayless wasnt drafted o be there backup or 3rd string pg this year was he?...you can say till youre bule in the face bayless can do this or that but untill he does it then you have no proof
It's not too early to rule out him getting 20 ppg...I think you just like starting arguments out of 1 small thing you disagree with. Just because he had a rookie season were he didn't get much PT or because a player doesn't quite get 20 points a game doesn't mean it's out of reach. Everyone knows Foye and Bayless have the ability to score 20 points a game, it's very obvious. Both showed the ability in college and (in Foye's case) in the NBA to score that much. I don't know what it is about you never believing in potential, but you're in the wrong forum if your not going to be willing to EVER make predictions based on obvious observations. Maybe you should be in a forum were you can comment on everything game by game or something.
i just dont believe he has the potenial to do it..just like you thats my opinion. and youre definition of obvious observation defers then what it actually is..obvious would be when a player has been giving time they have come close or surpassed a expectation more then a couple of times..obvious isnt someone scoring alot in college or summer leauge. potenial can be said by many college players before they play in the nba alot of people were labeled to have potenial but never lived up to it..like i said before and will continue to say im a believer of having someone show me and in this case show me in a couple regular season nba games or playoffs. if you are playing behind a hall of famer or a all star thats understandable..but if youre playing behind a average player because you cant cut it when youre in there then im not gonna say what you can do because you havent shown me you can beat out a average player or do awhole lot when given time. youre opinion is he can score 20 a game..mine is he cant...but youre proof for it is what he did in college and summer leauge and thats just not strong prrof that a player can average 20..this isnt a case of jr smith eiher where a player is comming off the bench because a team needs scoring off the bench
Bayless just got bad luck ending up with the Trail Blazers. Imagine what he would have done if he stayed with the Pacers. Anyways if he will be with Portland he needs try alter his game a little and become more pass first. I dont know if he can do that and I normally dont like players trying change there game but he has to in order find playing time.
which is another reason im not jumping behind the 20ppg theory...all i seem to see if potenial and maybe and if ..i havnt heard "well when he got time in x amount of games he average 20 or near 20 or he scored a bunch in bunches in this game or that with the second unit..or wow hes tearing it up in preseason. he just had 20 or more points in 30min,25min of play
OKC, just replace him with Westbrook, and he (might not be as good as Russell) would avg good stats
How is that not strong proof? How do you evaluate players now that HS draftees aren't allowed now? College. How do played that get drafted get their skills measured up before the season? The summer league. Just watch, if you can score, it doesn't matter what level of competition your on. His lack of PT has to do with his lack of PG skills and Brandon Roy (whose one of the NBA's best players) playing his natural position.
they are evaluated by more then just that..there are players who come into the leauge and cant seem to score as well because the comp is alot harder...many times its the offense they ran in college that made them such good scorers..i talk periodically with some assitant coaches that befriended my brother when he was playing with the laker summer leauge and preseason team and they say the same thing( not about bayless) but about scoring in college doesnt translate to scoreing in the nba to them most of the time..and when i was younger i though just liek you think now that it did...they take scoring in college and summer leauge with a grain of salt because they know that the talent level is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy below what it is in the nba rgular season where youre playing against seasoned vets who know the tricks of the trade and much more talented player...if it was so easy to score in the nba liek college then every year the ncaa leading scorers would be getting drafted into the nba....its alot easier to score also if youre playing youre natrual position in college where youre being checked by tajon langdon then it is when you get to the nba and youre being checked by ray allen, kobe,manu,etc.....also peopel seem to not factor in why a player isnt playing much..its a combination of many things..what peopel dont fail to mention is blake gives bayless fits in practice and plays pretty good d on him...of that bayless has trouble checking roy,rudy,webster, and the french guy in practice because of there nba 2g size and strength. yes there are guys his hight that do pretty well in the nba and start but those guys are on a different level on offense...ben gordan is lights out..gilbert can at least run the point when he wants and dominate scoring wise when he doesnt. then you have to factor in that players at his height that end up startin gor being good have a pretty good jump shot and if they dont at that youn gin there career then they can score(girlbert,iverson even lil nate)
The defense in the Summer League and in college is much tougher than the NBA actually, especially in the SL. I think he has the ability be a great scorer, just watch and see.
im not sure where you get that from but take it from someone who has friends and people who i work out with or has worked out with my brother..they will tell you that the defense isnt as good..it looks like it is because of tv but fans dont take into account that some of these guys who are playing very hard defense, defenses isnt even as good as a player who's not playing as hard defense in the nba..cant let that fool you
actually stole that qutoe from paul millsap and roonie brewer when i asked them if summer leauge defense and game was harder then regular season..both said dont let the action fool you and they wish the defenders in the summe rleauge were defending them in the nba
i dont think ya'll realize something also..defense can also look better in college and sl because the player that some of the other players are checking arent as good( actually on 99percent of the time) no wehere near as good as the players they would have to be checking as a starter in the nba. now just imagin if some of these guys who are playing hard and consider good d in the summer leauge have to check a nba starter instead of mike yancy whos gonna be playing in europe or the d leauge?..thats why you see some peopel gettign cut and you wonder why even though they played good d( or offense) in sl. because once vet camp starts they cant seem to d up players any more since they are now trying to guard players on the team or they cant seem to guard guys in preseason or score as much as they did in summe rleauge because the competition level just went way up. an example...im sure some of ya'll have played or seen a kid at the local gym scoring at will on other guys hes playing at the ymca but then seen them play for there hs or even college team and they cant seem to score or d up like they did at the ymca....its because that level of comp just went up a notch and there are players on that team that are better. sure if you take away this teammate or that teammate they could score more liek bayless could probably get 0..but it wouldnt lead the team to being better or getting more wins..you can say that about just about every player in the nba..take away a couple of there teammates and they could average alot more points since now they are one of the few options on the team
thats a very good point abou tthe bayless 20ppg thing...so i think ill change what i said...yea he could score 20ppg on a team with varajo,dampier,bruce bowen,chris duhon..but not on a team that competes for a playoff spot or are near .500