How can Vince Carter be so underrated?
To the point that people were actually saying Hedo Turkoglu is better. Carter may not be the athlete he once was(still well above average), but other than Kobe, no other player has adapted to his loss of a step in today's game. A great pick and roll player, excellent ball handler, always has had above average passing for a shooting guard, a complete offensive game that include drives, shots coming off screens, midrange jumpers, post ups, some of the best range in the league, excellent at drawing contact and an every shrinking turnover rate. Defensively, he's capable and willing man to man defender, but still doesnt exert himself on this end as much as on the offensive end. But he's still one of the hardest SG's to post up, and consistently gets his hand up on shots, and is rarely out of position. He's still a top 5 shooting guard in this league and can still be a threat for 30 any time he's on the floor. When I see Manu getting rated higher, who has all the weaknesses Carter has, except more overlooked (plays soft on defense-anyone who flops is soft, more injury prone) when Ray Allen is still rated higher (despite his fairly limited role as three point shooter and defender), when Iguodala is rated higher (Better defensively, but isnt anywhere close to the offensive player that Vince is) I wonder how a player this good is consistently overlooked. How is Brandon Roy substantially better than Carter?
Roy and Carter are about even as of NOW, but Roy is 7 years younger and still has room to improve his game, while Vince is on the decline
Carter is underrated and is still playing at an all-star level. But I put Roy ahead of carter without question. Carter settles for jumpers more then ever. Roy is better at forcing his will by getting into the lane and causing defenses to collapse. But still, I like the carter trade as an upgrade over Hedo for the magic.
The magics are looking solid even though howard has played little and Carters has been rusty. They have a solid bench with jason Williams, Bass, Anderson, Gortat, and even reddick is trying to look like a player.
has vince carter begun to play defense? or is he still leaving b4 gm 7's of playoffs to walk and get a diploma when he could have just obtained it at a later date..vince is a freak athletically, but has to be arguably the worst on the ball defender of any star that comes to mind.
Michael Redd is a much worse defender than Vince
I still don't know why everyone says Carter "settles" for jumpshots. Shooting those shots are just as apart of his game as Kobe's shooting.
And you're absolutely wrong about Carter's man to defense. He always keeps his hands up and stays with most players unless picked off. He's hard for any ball handler to get by one on one because of his length, and disrupts handling and shots because of it. He's not as dominant a defender as one would hope because of his physical gifts, but if anything, his only problem is that he plays reactive defense, instead of using his superior size, strength and athleticism to actively bother the defender. That's the difference between an decent defender and a great one, is using your advantages to play "offensive" defense, and force the opponent into mistakes.
Simple, as Vince has stated, " Dunking is overrated."
I would prefer underachieved... I love VC to the point where I thought he could have taken the Toronto Raptors higher than what he did last 2001 playoffs and probably lead them to an NBA Finals Appearance in a weak Eastern Conference... That was an unbelievable run... I thought Toronto could have gone higher in the next years to come but injuries ate most of his games and he never really turned into a player that could dominate consistently... He got spoiled over his jumpshot and limit the use of his vertical (which is the basis on why he is dangerous)... He was dealt to the Nets were he regained a fresh start along with PG legend J-Kidd and RJ... It was a cool tandem while it lasted but they never brought back the 2002 and 2003 Nets... I think Carter has underachieved and not underrated... He could have won an MVP should he have worked harder... Now, he's a second-player on a contending Magic team... That's what he get I guess for getting "spoiled with all the talent that he has..."
Vince isn't only dunking, he's an underrated clutch player who can put the ball in the hoop with the best of them
Carter is amazing and all the people out there that say otherwise say so because they measure Carter from what they EXPECTED him to become.
To summarize Carter's career: He was a fan favorite and amazing dunker who seemed to be able to do everything on the court. He took the Raptors to the second round and missed a game winner that would have beaten Iverson's 76ers (who went to the finals that year). Btw Carter graduating and getting a diploma was criticized for some reason.. which makes no sense whatsoever. He wasn't getting a diploma AT the game! Anyway, soon after that, Vince got hurt and people lost faith in him and called him soft and injury prone.
In the last 6 seasons Vince has played more games than any other player in the NBA. This is true--look it up. And he is considered injury prone. What?
In fact over Vince's entire career he has played 90% of possible games. Wade has only played in 80%. Yes, you're beloved Dwyane Wade has missed 20% of possible games played.
But whats funny is when D Wade got hurt, and missed more time than Vince did during Vince's injury, people embraced Wade. They rooted him on. But they BOTH came back from their injuries and had dominate years (Vince averaged 27.5 points ppg that year for the Nets) (Wade had a career year as well with 30 ppg).
While even though Wade is deservingly in the limelight today, I like to compare Vince's game to Wade's. But with Wade who drives to the basket more while Vince is a much better shooter. Yet for whatever reason the public sees Vince as soft and Wade as dominate. Maybe this has to do with managing our expectations?
Vince came into the league and was almost immediately compared to Jordan. Only after the Heat beat the Mavs in the finals were there Wade/Jordan comparisons.
I am not saying Vince is as good as Wade. But I am saying he is almost as good; and during their primes he might have even been better--we could never know. One thing is for sure, Vince is a lot more durable than Wade.
Overall, I like Wades aggression on court better than Vince's. Also Vince is declining while Wade is in his prime and other good young players like Wade, Igoudala and Roy can out hustle Carter today, but I have to say it's completely unfair for Vince to be compared to Hedo.
Hedo just sucks. Sorry Toronto, you got burned again. Hedo's contract is almost as bad as his old teammate Rashard Lewis' contract.
Anyway, taking into account for age, skill, athleticism, durability etc here is my list of best SGs in the league today:
3. Brandon Roy
4. Vince Carter
5. Joe Johnson
6. Andre Igoudala
7. Kevin Martin
8. Ray Allen
9. Emanuel Ginobili *
10. Ben Gordon/Rip Hamilton
*Injured prone, otherwise he would be right behind Vince
***If Durant is a shooting guard then he is #3 on my list.
**** And if Hedo could be compared to shooting guards he wouldn't even make this list.
Thanks for reading.
Vince may be getting disrespected overall, but Hedo isn't getting any love in this thread. He's a 6'10" guy who can run the point if needed, get to the rim, pass, and can make his own offense. Mainly, though, he hit clutch shots down the stretch for the Magic last year. Vince may be better offensively, but Hedo's versatility shouldn't be dismissed.
the thing that impressed me most about hedo last season was in the conference finals against the cavs, I thought with Bron and west getting after him and pressuring him defensively, he would be shut down and would have to give the ball up or he would commit a bunch of turnovers. But he actually did a real good job and got to wherever he wanted on the court. That was a big part of why Orlando won that series. Because the cav defense that carried them all year couldn't stop anybody on the magic. Hedo won some respect from me on that.