Sofoklis Schortsanitis..for auber,clippers,greek,and european baller http://www.eurobasket.com/player.asp?Cntry=GRE&PlayerID=383
i remeber not too long ago these guys talked about him ..european baller said he would dominate in the nba..greek said hes a freak of nature and i agree, just not in a good way and clippers said hes finally in game shape...he the same size as when i saw him during greeks other games earlier this year and he still has trouble getting up and down the floor..shaq gave him work then illgasukus then hickson. the guys defense sucks. his lateral movement i suspect also. bascially the guys mentioned above overrated him like i said before..he ha no true post moves not a rebounder and fouls alot. basically his best bet is to continue to come off the bench in the greek leauge cuz he will get WORKED in the nba
in 20 games this past season he averaged 4pts 1reb..in 5 games in last years olympics he averaged 3pts 1reb..in 12 euro leauge games he averaged 4pts 2 reb..and against the usa last year he had 3pts 0 reb 4 fouls...last night( or early this morning for me..i watched him get maybe 4pts 4reb and 5fouls...yeah this is the guy who comes off the bench for his club team yet ya'll say he will come and dominate nba big men..lol...riiiiiiiiiight
he scored 16 pts against the spurs earlier this pre-season in 19 minutes of play (and started). he played very well in the eurobasket tournament because he was in shape, he wasn't during the season or olympics. know all the facts before you call out a bunch of people like that.
he wasnt in shape..i know the facts cuz i watched the games..hes the same size now as he was earlier this year. just admit it hesnot that good..he slated to come off the bench yeat again for his club team..and he played average in the euro tournament..look up the games online and go to eurobaket.com to check his stats..my career is playing euroball/keeping up wit eurobasketball so i know my facts buddy. theres zero talk about him being able to come over and contribute thats why the clippers havnt been trying to get him over...also he was over here after the eurobasketball tournament working out wit the clipper players and the concensous was he didnt look that good and couldnt keep up wit the players.
quincey: whats ur source on him working out with the clips?
i heard about that Q...word around town out here in l.a is that he was getting abused..said he was moving people around down low but then hed get his shot blocked. and clippers did you watch the game against the spurs?..i did ..his defense is horrible and i mean horrible..every guy he checked was getting buckets on him..the african kid ian was giving him work. he did have a couple moves but almost half his point came from freethrows when a third string player would foul him.. dont just go by stats because if you would have watched you would have seen that the game was put away for awhile which is when some players get there points because they are being checked by bench players. im not sure what you consider in shape but if you consider him to be in shape then im not sure what to say to you. he also played average in the euro championships not spectacular or even very good. i dont know what youre hang up on this guy is but no other nba team views him the way you or some of these other guys do, if they did then they would be fitting to get him over here and tryna get him in shape
also this guy foot work is slowwwwwwww..and he fouls aloooot from having bad footwork and not being in shape
i just dont understand how some of the people on here can think he would come over and dominate when he comes off the bench for his club team. im not saying he sucks bu hes not a factor type player either. and a player wit weight problem like that never gets in great shape. it just doesnt happen becaue of work ethic which i heard he doesnt have a very good one
I think some people get excited over a huge prospect "size wise". I used scout dudes like 7'4'' 340 lb Preist Lauderdale, and 7'4'' Ha Sueng-Jin and others. The players with great size like Shaq and Yao that actually pan out are great to watch, but I stopped over hyping players trying to convince myself I had found the "next Shaq" when none of them ever panned out. Big Sofo is the same way, he is a mediocre player who has amazing strength so he is intriguing, but if he were going to make an impact in the US, he'd be here by now, he was drafted 6 years ago.
exactly..and if not here he would be dominating overseas or at least starting. fans started to overhype him after he had a good game against the u.s a couple years ago. so they hang there hope on that one game and ignore all the other games in which he was below average..for others who dont know much about this player his a link to his stats the past season and euro tournament
He may be able to score, but he will would be a massive (pun intended) defensive liability in the NBA. If he was in really great shape, then he could probably make a roster, but he still probably wouldn't be a consistent dominant force.
thats the thing..hes not even a scorer
Not one of you that are bashing him in this thread has any basketball knowledge. Nothing more needs to be said. Except for that you are the type of NBA fans that gives NBA fans such a horrible rep all over the world. You simply are NBA fans and not basketball fans. You have not even the slightest clue about basketball.
lol..thats youre come back..what happened to him dominating nba players?..why didnt he dominate shaq?..you can say what you want about fans but simply put dont what a player does suppossed to speak for it self?..he didnt live up to ya'll high expectation
couple of trainers out in l.a who help work out baron davis and a former teammate named rudy wallace who plays over in germany
Ad Hominem remarks do not win arguments. Could explicate why they know nothing, or why they are NBA fans and not basketball fans? Their argument is fairly simple: the NBA is the most competitive basketball league in the world, Sofo did not fair well in the two games against NBA competition, therefore, he would not be a good NBA player.
My opinion is that he would be a fine basketball player if he lost weight. He measured out at 6'10" with shoes, with a 7'2" wingspan, which is passable height and length for a center. What inhibits him is his roughly 330 pounds and the muscle-fat ratio thereof. If he got down to 285 of muscle, which would give him nimble and explosive feet, I think he'd be close to an All-Star.
no i think more of arguement is that he doesnt even start for his team in leauge games and doesnt even dominate in those games..doesnt even come close..he has career averages of 4pts and 3 rebounds over there yet some of ya'll are saying he would come over and be a good player?...you should at least have some type of proof to support that which no one has come up with..i know of zero players from europe who dont dominate over there and then come over to the nab and come close to dominating unless they startout over there at 17 and come over here real young
he will start now that he is in better shape. he was around 370 last year. he is at 300 now.
The whole premise behind Sofo's NBA potential hinge on him losing weight.
Sofoklis but up 11.5 points and 6.2 rebounds a game for Iraklis in 2002-2003, as a seventeen-year-old; at around that age, he was also one of the most dominant bigs in junior tournaments in the past ten years. Those years were also the last time he was in good basketball shape. If he dropped forty pounds, he would thoroughly dominate Europe, probably to the point that Shaq dominated the NBA in his prime. His statistics would be lower due to the shorter games (I believe they play 40 mins), more frequent substitutions (especially for top European teams like Olympiakos), and a mostly slower pace, but he'd be pretty formidable.
He obviously wouldn't be as good in the NBA, but he'd likely be a lower-level All-Star. This is IF he would lose weight, which he probably won't, which is a crying shame.
go to the euro ite and read..hes still said to be there 6th man clippers...eurobasket.com..they have been practicing after the euro games and there coach still say hes gonna be there 6th man...sorry...as far as if he lost weight thats more or a if maybe hopefully because know one know..the same with robert tralor and other nba players that were over weight. its no different then a person saying if they were a lil bit taller...its something you'll never know..my thing is some of ya'll come on saying he would be a all star in the nba and dominate RIGHT NOW which makes zero since when he cant even crack the tarting linup on his own team
The posts by quincey hodges here are simply embarrassing. It's really sad.
The posts by quincey hodges here are simply embarrassing.
why is it embarassing euopean baller?..because im right...you and the other guy say he can dominate and he can do this or that..but wheres the proof??..i keep comming up wit proof that he wouldnt buy hi play every year over on his club team..he doesnt dominate over there and comes off the bench..his averages are 4pts 3rebs...so how exactly are my post embarassing?..dont be made because he isnt living up to what you think he should be..just accept he is not a dominate player..i dont have to say a word because his game over there speaks for its self. so untill that happens none of ya'll support cant say anything but if he does this or maybe this or hopefully this
In fairness toEuropeanballer, Schortsianitis had one of the worst seasons of his career last year. He ballooned to about 380 lbs, now that he's shed fifty to sixty pounds, he'll probably more than double last year's totals.
he has a career average(every game he played in euro leauge of 6.5pts 3reb a game
quincey hodges has no knowledge of European basketball. He makes this very clear with every post he makes. Yet he keeps acting like he is some expert on it.
dont need to be a expert..but obviously i know more then you.seeing as you have come up wit zero proof of this guy having the potenial to dominate in the nba...you say he does but you havnt shown any proof..i think ..my boy tanoka beard says the same thing about Schortsianitis,,and not only has he played against him hes played in europe for more then 10 years and has proven to be muchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh better then him...and i know a lil about eurobasketball since not only have i playedoverseas my friends and brother has also(poncho hodges..look it up) and not one of them agree with him being able to dominate in the nba..as a matter of fact they all laughed...how about this..you show proof that he could and ill agree i already showed his career average and know people who have played against him for years...sooo what exactly do you have besides you thinking he can do this or that???....exactly
ive done alot more research since ya'll started talking about this guy and talked to toney brown(assistant for the clippers. after the research and talking to toney the clippers feel that this guy can come over and be a god 7th man off the bench if hes in shape..but far from ever being able to dominate. since i dont just talk one person word i also reserched like i said and there is no indication that this guy could dominate in the nba..he cant/wont even ever dominate in greece so im not sure what the fascination wit him being so good is with the euro guy...facts are fact european baller and youre arguement just cant be believed if you cant produce any evidence that this guy can dominate anywhere?..im not hating on this guy but facts are facts. it would be different if he was the mvp of his leauge or his team or starting and doing work while in the game but you cant even say he has..ya'll say he was finally in shape(looked it also) during this past summer games but he only average 11pts 3rebs and almost fouled out of every game?..im sorry for those who are supporting the theory of him dominating but ya'll just have no proof or leg to stand on
I believe some people are simply uneducated, ignorant, arrogant, and extremely rude.
u must be very young ..because no mature adult would put someone down just because they stated something that is true that you dont agree with....arent things suppossed to be proven with facts?..if you say this guy is so good but have no facts to back it up then what does that mean?..wouldnt that make u uneducated and rude because the facts are put right in front of youre face yet you till ignore them?..wouldnt that make u arrogant?..wouldnt that make u rude for calling someone names just because youre frustrated that you cant prove youre point.....to make it simple..write down youre proof that this guy can dominate and that doesnt include just because you think so or one or 2 games....my proof that he cant is
doesnt start for his team
he has a career averages of under 7pts and 5 reb
no nba team is bending over backward to get him in the nba
what is a player judged off of?...what we think he can do or what he can do or has done?
so where is the arrogence or uneducated,ignorance in any of that?..none of what i aid was an opinion just cold hard facts
heres something else i found out after looking up what was said about him the year he entered his name in the draft
Notes: An early entry. ... Just turned 18. ... Has a good work ethic. ... Has a baby hook and a good jumper from 15 feet. ... Athletic and aggressive. ... Prone to foul trouble. ... Very poor from the free-throw line. ...
at the time he was 6'9 255..which shows his weight isnt why he fouls alot.