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5 Guys That I Dont Get The Excitement About

PG: I don't understand why people expect Jrue Holiday to be a great player. I mean every time I watch him play from the time he was a senior in HS playing against Delvon Roe's squad, to the McDonalds Game, to UCLA, to Summer League he has NEVER impressed me at all. I mean he has decent raw ability, and OK size for a PG but he hasn't shown any ready made NBA ability and he won't until he gets alot stronger and more polished. I think his celing as a player is Delonte West. A jack-of-all-trades master of none type player who is best suited as a pseudo-starter/6th or 7th man. Gary Payton? Chauncey Billups? I think not.

SG: Demar Derozan is not a guy I've ever been high on. Yes he is a very good athlete and a decent yet raw mid-range player, but he isn't skilled and for as athletic as he is he couldn't get to the lane very well in college. He's a very poor ball-handler and he has no range on his shot. He also isn't more than mediocre as a defender, especially on the ball. He's not as impressive to me as he is to others.

SF: As a Philly fan, Thaddeus Young gets a lot of pub from fans around the NBA. Some think he's a future # 1 option, I say not. He hasn't shown any potential to be that good a scorer. Sure he's a very good athlete, but what else does he show in terms of an actual skill-set? He's a very good mid-range shooter now, but #1 option? Over Iguodala? Not at all. He is at the most a 3rd option.

PF: As I've said before, I'm not as high on Brook Lopez as alot of other people. He has the ability to be a 15-10 guy, but I dont see perennial All-Star like has been said he will achieve in the future. He's too robotic in the post for me. And he doesnt have the offensive game to overcome it ala Tim Duncan. He'll be an above average starter, but perennial All-Star? Don't see it.

C: Yes, he will play with CP3 this year, but Emeka Okafor doesn't have the offensive game to have the 20-10 season many are expecting from him. He has to share the post with David West remember? And for all the alley-oops he'll get this year (which will probably be a very good number), it won't be enough for more than 15 ppg. He won't create to many shots for himself down low as it is. He will provide a good impact in the post though, which will help come playoff time. But dont expect an All-Star season


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I think it is pretty clear

I think it is pretty clear what Okafor is at this point. He'll get about 15-10 just like he has pretty much his whole career. As for the rest of your list, I disagree with all of it. I think all those guys have a ton of potential.

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why don't you just switch

why don't you just switch positions with lopez and okafor? brook lopez is a true center

anyways, I never heard anyone say that okafor was going to average those kind of number. that's a pretty high reach for him. but what I do expect is for him to make the all-star team. assuming he's playing center, there aren't many centers who are shoe-ins for the all star game. I think he'll compliment CP3 pretty well, his post up game isn't tremendous, but he does have one go-to move in the low post that he'll make about 48% of the time. also, he can finish pick-and-rolls run with CP3. i think numbers like 17.2 points, 10.9. rebounds, and 1.7 blocks is reasonable, and those number would most likely get you to the all-star team, especially as a center in the west.

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Jrue-I've been down this

Jrue-I've been down this road too many times to count, but here is what he does that can seperate him. 6-4 pg, terrific athlete, and he sees the court very well and is a pass first player. His defense was already nba caliber coming out of ucla. He is also only 19 years old. I saw two of his games in the summer league, and the thing that stood out to me was the ease at which he broke the full court press and got into the lane. He didn't always finish and his stats were not good, but as young pg, if you can break down defenders at one end and then d guys up at the other, you have a chance. The finishing and shooting should come.

Derozan-I would agree with you if it wasn't for what he did in both the pac 10 and ncaa tournaments. He was good for about 20-10 during that 6 game stretch. And he was a monster around the rim both finishing through contact and rebounding over bigger guys. When u can stay on the court because of your athleticism, that allows the rest of your game to evolve. He reminds me a lot of Richard Jefferson.

Thad young-Excellent defense and size. Long wing span. Attacks the rim. He is just a guy that makes plays.

Brook Lopez-He saw nothing but double teams in college and was getting swarmed. Mitch Johnson and Lawrence Hill did nothing to keep defenses honest at stanford to allow Brook more time to opperate. He has a ton of post skills and can shoot facing or back to the basket. He might seem a little stiff, but he can finish while adjusting in the air. He has good hands runs the court well and can get up and finsh around the rim. I think he will be in like 3-6 all-star games during his career.

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i feel what your saying

i feel what your saying about jrue holiday... i dont think hes like delonte west whatsoever but hes a great defensive pg that could develop passing skills with experience and increasing his overall iq for the game... i see him as a mario chalmers type but just not as good...

as for okafor he still averaged 14 per game last season and while i do think 20 ppg is out of reach the high teens is not... he DOES have an offensive game.. but didnt get many good looks playing with basically felton... he will improve across the board this season but as you said definately not an all star caliber player... also david west has a COMPLETELY different game than okafor and i think they complement each other very well... west has more of a face up game while okafor is more of a back to the basket threat... i think okafor will finally put the hornets over the top this season and will get them to the second round or perhaps the conference finals..

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also nice name drop of

also nice name drop of delvon roe... i liked that... i saw that game too actually...

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5 things i don't get excited about

Drug abuse in basketball: Just should have a level playing field

The Crab dribble: I wonder if mr Krabs could go pro?

People Calling a player a bust before its proven: Centers take a while to develop

Free throws: Not a fan but can't really do much about that one

Towel boys not using shamwows: That should go straight to the President

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Damn towl boys using Shamwows

that would be a glorious sight! Wonder how much sweat the Shamwow could absorb from a fourth quarter Patrick Ewing!
Guys would be bone dry after games if they used the Shamwow

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SF: As a Philly fan,

SF: As a Philly fan, Thaddeus Young gets a lot of pub from fans around the NBA. Some think he's a future # 1 option, I say not. He hasn't shown any potential to be that good a scorer. Sure he's a very good athlete, but what else does he show in terms of an actual skill-set? He's a very good mid-range shooter now, but #1 option? Over Iguodala? Not at all. He is at the most a 3rd option.

(THAD IS THE BEST SCORER ON THE ENTIRE TEAM HANDS DOWN)....what has he shown?? Have u seen his post game? how about improved shooting.. See how many 3 attempts he took his first season, in comparison to last yr.. You didnt see his confidence jump leaps n bounds? Iggy might be a better CLUTCH shooter, but scoring wise other than taking man off dribble, where does Iggy have edge over thad.

also please feel free to view player progression since they were both rookies.. tell me who is on faster pace to become a star.. I love Iggy, and have been a sixers fan since 1982, but facts r facts..

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Best score on the team?

Lou Williams, Elton Brand and Andre Iguodala are easliy better scorers than Thaddeus Young. He has a basic post game that's based around being quicker than PF's he faces. Its only good for so many points every game

Sure he attempted more 3's last season than his rookie year, but he didn't even make one 3-point shot a game last year. He's not a better shooter than Iguodala. Young has a good mid-range spot-up shot, that's the only skill he has that's better or at the same level as Iguodala.

Thad played the 4 for most of the season last year, and he didn't get more boards than Iguodala. Unacceptable, especially with his physical tools.

I have never seen Thaddeus Young create his own shot on the perimeter or mid-range 1 time in all 3 years I've ever seen him play. Ever. He's trying to be an NBA SF, and has no NBA level perimeter tools. He can't change directions with the ball, and only gets to the rim if he has a straight line path. He also is a bad passer who gets picked off alot. You have to have a low skill-level to have a negative Assist/TO and play on the wing in the NBA.

He isn't at all the defender Iguodala is. I wont even go into depth about that.

The only skill he has that is better than Iguodala, is his mid-range game. That is literally it. He has potential, and I want him to do well since he plays for my favorite team, but he has nothing that would make me say he will be better than Iguodala. At all. He's a 3rd option at most, and will take that role if Elton Brand or Lou Williams play the way they should be able to.

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iggy is better defender and

iggy is better defender and passer thats all.. i dont know about you but thad is most promising sixer on entire tm.. You must not have watched all that often to knock his game like your doing.. Honestly its bs....

iggy - 30.7 % from 3 last yr. (1.0-3.2 3'd made per gm)

Thad - 34.2 % (0.8 - 2.2 3's made per game)

So he shot 1 less 3 per game and was only 0.2 behind iggy.... HMMMM %'s speak my friend, now who is the better 3 pt shooter?? LOL facts r facts homie, you gotta get off iggys high horse..

thad FG % - 49.5 on 12.8 shots per gm

iggys FG % - 47.3 % on 14 shots per game.

Once again THADS % is higher.

Do you know something that I dont??? Again facts r facts... Brand may be a better scorer (has proven in past, butl ets see him prove it in philly)

You know i love Lou Will but do i really need to bring his %'s into play here??? Its a no brainer homie..

heres the hype so you can become quickly familiar.

Recent Career FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc
Year Team G Min M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
2007-08 PHI 74 21:00 3.6 6.6 53.9 0.1 0.3 31.6 1.0 1.4 73.8 1.6 2.6 4.2 0.8 0.9 1.0 0.1 1.7 8.2

2008-09 PHI 75 34:23 6.3 12.8 49.5 0.8 2.2 34.2 1.9 2.5 73.5 1.9 3.2 5.0 1.2 1.6 1.3 0.3 2.2 15.3

Career 149 27:41 5.0 9.7 51.0 0.4 1.2 33.9 1.4 2.0 73.6 1.7 2.9 4.6 1.0 1.2 1.2 0.2 2.0 11.8

hmmm almost doubled his ppg average from preevious season.. Im proved on rebounding, steals, 3 pt % and makes, only thing worse is his FG %, but on double the amount of shots..

Sorry to go in depth here, but your thoughts are only opinions, and the facts prove otherwise..

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That one 3-point attempt a

That one 3-point attempt a game is a huge difference. Yes he shot a higher percentage, but shooting two 3's a game is not the equivalent of 3. That's a decent sized gap believe it or not, by close to 100 more attempts by Iguodala. If you shoot less, it's common knowledge that you'll have a high percentage than you would if you shot close to 100 more shots. I think Iguodala is a better shooter. That's a misleading stat because of the large difference in attempts. Look at it this way: Deron Williams shot the 3 worst than Thaddeus Young last year under certain circumstances (Williams had more attempts, and made more per game but shot a worst percentage), but would you consider him a better shooter? I wouldn't

I would expect him to shoot a higher percentage, he played PF. He was extremely close to the rim. And 49.5% from the field for a PF is nothing to write home about.

And Iguodala is a better overall player than Thaddeus Young. He only is better as a mid range spot up shooter. I'm telling you. The 76ers are much better off with Iguodala as their 1st option than Thaddeus Young. I guarantee that.

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haha damn Iggy he got u.

haha damn Iggy he got u. How can u say that That isn't impressive?? Keep in mind he is still one of the youngest players in the league, he gracduated high school at 17 and still has so much room to improve. Iguodala9 imo u over rate Iguodala so much. If anything he would be an ideal 2nd or 3rd option on a good team, and Philly should start grooming Thad for the number 1 option role. I think this year u will see even a bigger jump in points per game for Thad

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i dont get real excited

i dont get real excited about thaddeus young either..i mean i think he is a good player but i dont think he will ver be a number one option and if he is then that team wont be a middle to top of the pack playoff team..he just doesnt have that supper star power to me..to be honest i feel a lil the same way about iggy..i think he makes a good seond option on a very good team and a 3rd option on a title team but i just dont see him as a number one guy on a very good title team..think abou tthe title teams and who would he replace on the celtics/cleveland/san antonio as a number one or even number 2 guy?

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I agree

I agree with most of those Iggy. I have never bought into the hype about Jrue Holiday, I just can't think of anything exciting he brings to the table. Sure he has a solid skill set and good size, along with decent athleticism, but I can think of a bunch of other guys that fit that bill and are much better at other parts of the game.

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