Are Memphis Grizzles Now The Darkhorse Team Of The Western Conference?
Before the Memphos Grizzles addition of Allen Iverson, I felt the LA Clippers were the darkhorses of the Western Conference, to possibly secure the 7th or 8th seed, and possibly give the 1st or 2nd seed, a run for their money...But now with Iverson on board, the Memphis Grizzles are good enough to to reach the 5th seed, if they develop good chemistry...They have one of the most talented teams in the League now, with Allen Iverson, OJ Mayo, Zach Racholph, Rudy Gay, Mike Conley, Marc Gasol, and etc...There's more talent on this team than the teams the Grizzles had in the past that made the playoffs, when they had Pau Gasol, Jason Wiiliams, Shane Battier, Mike Miller, James Posey, Stromile Swift, and etc...They have everything a team could want, a legit inside post presence in Zach Randolph, a double double player in Zach Randolph, 3 very good shot blockers in Hasheem Thabeet, Steven Hunter, and Hamed Haddadi, hard nose hustle players in Sam Young and DeMarre Carroll, a A crafty post player that could operate very well in the high post, in Marc Gasol, a pure shooter in OJ Mayo, a budding star player, who has close to the complete package in Rudy Gay, a future Hall of Famer in Allen Iverson, a versatility player in Marko Jaric, who could play point guard, shooting guard, and small forward, a up incoming big man that works his a$$ off, in Darrell Arthur, a speedy point guard in Mike Conley that can stay in front of the Chris Paul's of the Western Conference, and a big playmaker in the 6'3 Marcus Williams, who could use his big frame, in guarding the bigger point guards in the Western Conference, in Deron Williams, Chauncey Billups, and etc...If all goes well, I feel the Grizzles has the potential to not only make the playoffs, but to also go past the first round
lets not drown this topic
no way they make it past the first round. i honestly dont think theyll even make the playoffs. There are way way to make me first players on that team. AI Randolf Mayo Gay. All these people need the balll in their hands to be effective. AI was brought on to sell tickets and nothing else.
Lakers, Spurs, Blazers, Nuggets, Mavs, Clippers, Suns, Hornets, Warriors.
not gonna happen
GRIZZLIES WILL SURPRISE a lot of people..i mean look last season..they were in a lot of close games with some very good teams..and they didn't have as much talent as they do now....they have to play much better defense..rudy gay or oj have to step up and say it's their team...1 of them has to become the leader..iverson is 1 of the fiestiest ,cockiest and have 1 of the biggest egos ever..thats what have made him an allstar..he must start, if memphis doesn't want trouble out of him...in his mind he'll never play second fiddle to anyone or come off the bench..no matter whut he says in public..demarre,hasheem and sam are all mature rookies that will push the starters for minutes and keep them on their toes...iverson was bought in for only 1 reason..that was to help sell tickets..and signing him to a 1 year deal wasn't so bad...if he doesn't act right ..he knows this might be his last chance......
i agree they have lots of talent but they will not have the chemistry to make the playoffs. the grizzlies with pau gasol, mike miller, james posey, and shane battier were very good because none of those guys needed to be the "man." This team has atleast 4 guys that arent the point guard that need the ball to be effective. no way they make the playoffs.
they will be alot like the blazers last year a young and talentedteamwho suprisepeople i think it all matters if Randolph and Iverson canplay their roles and not hog the ball.
I still think Iverson has some gas left in the tank. If he is serious when he says he wants to win and doesn't mind being a 3rd or 4th option this could really work. If he can help mentor the young guys, and get this team to share the ball, this could be a really good team this year. However, the west is really deep.
Lakers, Spurs, Blazers, Mavs, Nuggets and Jazz are all locks for the playoffs. The 7th and 8th spots are up for grabs, and the Hornets, Clippers, Warriors and Suns are all in the mix. I just don't know if the Grizzles can overcome all that.
Yea....no. The addition of Iverson will not make them darkhorses. Him and Zach Randolph on the same team is asking for trouble, unless basketball is played with more than ball on the court at the same time now, which it isnt. I dont see how they can be good team all of a sudden, especially when what they needed was defenders since Mayo is the only above average defender in their backcourt.
Zbo gives up just as much as he's scores on the defensive end...He can be frustrating to watch as he plays zero defense...N Jaric is done,i cant believe this guy is still in the league!He seems to get a little worse every year...
As for Thabeet,he looks like a major project that may take awhile to adjust to the NBA...If the Grizzlies are serious about making a playoff push how much playing time do u guys think he will get???
He shouldn't get any at all, not yet. He would get destroyed.
you know what i was actually thinkign about how good they could be. with iverson comming off the bench he can have the role of what jason terry does in dallas. one thing people seem to forget about zbo is he shoots alot on teams where there s no other real offensive weapons. with the clippers everyone was hurt so he had to shoot more. people either ignore or dont realize that randolph has around the same eff rating as chris bosh and shoots a lil less and is near the same fg percentage. people call himt he black hole even though he hasnt really had other scoring options to help him. in l.a he did have some but they were al hurt. basically he gets this rep because of his off the court problems which shouldnt be the case. people can bash him all they want but he scores on anyone and rebounds. although his defense isnt the best how many other pf out there gets constant 20-10 where ever they go?..so you add that to a future all star in mayo and gay and a nice pg in conley and a bruiser in gasol and ai off the bench i think they can do pretty well..im not saying they will make the playoffs but they have just as good of a chance as the clippers and better chance then the warriors in my opinion
also mayo played very good defense for a rookie and is only gonna get better..thats one part of his game everyone raves about. he playes better defense then most veteran shooting guards in the leauge
Yeah but theres no ball movement with ZBo...he takes his team out of there rhythm...I dont know how many times i watched last year where he would ignore who ever had the hot hand,only to hang out on the perimeter,catch a pass and just sit there deciding what to do,only to either take a heavily contested jump shot or back his man down and take the shot as the shot clock is about to expire...
n he deserves the bad rap he gets...its effects him on the court too...decking that dude from The Suns just cause he said something to him,not to mention the DUI towards the end of the year that caused him to be suspended by the team
He has the most hollow 20-10 of any big men in the game...theres a reason he continually gets shipped off and it wont be any diffrent in the next few years when he finds a new team to sucker along!
which says theres a reason he always gets picked up. yeah he does have problems with ball movement but who doesnt when playing for the blazer team he played with then with the sorry knicks then with the sorry clippers. like coach brown said before some players look bad int he wrong situation and have to shoot more wit bad teams which makes them look worst then they are but once they get on a good team then peopel start to realize they are better then they are given credit for
Zach Randolph simply isnt a winning player in the NBA. He plays poor defense and is a black hole down low. He will but up stats, but he isnt a winner. Your asking for a losing team, the Grizz already aren't a winning team as is and are on par with the teams he played for before so I dont understand why he would be a player that would get them over the top.
what team has randolph been on to become a winner though he made the playoffs wit a ok blazers team then they shipped all the good players out and he had not supporting cast then he goes to the sorry knicks and no one can seem to get them anywhere then the clippers who sucked with everyone being injured. i dont think hes a great player but hes alot better then people give him credit for
Thats exactly what I said. He hasnt played on any good teams, and this Memphis team wont be any different given that they werent winners last year and havent adding anyone that'll get them over the hump. They have 3 players now (outside of Randolph) that all want to prove their no.1 options, and adding Randolph to the equation makes for a disaster in trying to share shots on the team. I think Randolph is a very talented and good player, but he's not the kind of player that will make a team a playoff contender.
Memphis were losers last year, and they added two more losers in AI and Zbo. They'll be lucky to win 35 games.
You have to look at it like that because AI can win games if he has enough talent to get him close. I like their coach who helped them improved and I think if he can get AI and all his youngers on the same page, they could scare people because they have Talent and youth and AI gives them swagger.
They actually have the talent to make it to the playoffs and it is all about do that have the chemistry or drive to do it.
Why is everyone thinking AI has the ability to lead a team to the playoffs. Look what he did in Detroit last year. This isn't Philly 7-8 years ago.
but you lose.
He can lead a team to more wins, but he was never "accepted" in Detroit. Nobody wanted him.
As much as people want to make it seem like they can predict failure because they added AI and Randolph, you should really let them player first before you start burying them. This team has a lot of talent that can get better. Mayo, Gay, AI,ZBo, Conley, Arthur, Haddidi, Thabeet, Gasol, Sam Young and Marcus Williams can give opponents a lot of different looks. AI isn't a losing player, he's a "I can carry you" player in his mind, and theres a huge difference. He used to be able to carry teams with his scoring, and very much had to given the poor offensive players he's played with in Philly. I didnt expect him to work in Denver where scoring wasnt needed, or in Detroit where Iverson's skillset was so different than Billups' that the team trying to make adjustments in a season already filled with ups and downs was impossible. Now he has a chance to get acclimated with a new team along with the young talent. But calling this subtraction by addition is an affront to how good a player Iverson has been. Now the know what they got with ZBo. Exactly what they didnt get with Arthur. Now they have a serious matchup problem in the post which should open up the court for others. 2 free agents do not a team make, and I think the Grizzlies will have a level of improvement that most arent expecting. Because most are expecting the worst. =P
and why does everyone thing because a player can score that they all want to be the number one option..mayo never said that and neither has rudy gay. peopel thinking oh they both gonna hog the ball and this and that but if you watched them they worked pretty well together and didnt mind if one out scored the other. and i think zbo will help them beause reguardless what people say he can score down low and rebound and hes better then any pf they have ever had out side of paul gasol
The didnt play that good together last year. Rudy Gay had a slightly disappointing year, and he couldnt decide if he wanted make his presence felt on offense or defer to Mayo which caused his ppg average to drop and hurt Memphis more than help. Mayo wants to be a 1st option and so does Gay. They may not have said "I want to be a 1st option", but Mayo has been a 1st option every meaningful year of his basketball life and Gay was way more effective in 07-08 as a 1st option. Iverson has always been a 1st option as well (except last yr and being 1a with Carmelo) and Randolph has been or tried to be a 1st option ever since he was Most Improved in 05-0f. This Memphis team has 4 players that think they are 1st options and Im telling you, someone is goin to complain about not getting shots and they arent going to be that competitive. And I think Rudy Gay is going to be let free to walk in 2010 so it can be strictly Mayo's team..
30-52. nothing more to be said. we look foward to the nice upcoming draft, make a trade hopefully, sign a very good free agent.