Which Draft Prospects Stock Will Rise the Most by the End of the Season and Who's Will Drop the Most
Drop- Solomon Alabi- a poor man's Thabeet, can run the floor well, but has less offensive game.
Rise- James Anderson - He does a lot of things well and nothing poorly, with Byron Eton gone from OSU he is ready as a junior to take over that team. He still has a solid bunch around him and an up and coming coach, I look at him to average over 23 per game, and take him from a late first to a right outside the lottery
I don't know if Cole Aldrich's stock will drop all that much, Big men are hard to find and he is the best one out of this class, playing for a major collegiate program that pumps out NBA'ers every year. If Thabeet can go #2 in this years draft. I don't see Cole falling past 5 or 6 this year which is where he is projected. I don't think he will rise above that for that matter, but unless he gets hurt I bet he stays at that 5-6 range because teams need centers, and he is only 610-6'11'' or so, but he has a 7' plus wingspan and plays bigger than his height.
I really like the Wally Judge prediction, I seriously think he can be a one and done player this year. K-State could have another NCAA birth this season in my opinion. You mentioned Clemente, as a fast break teammate, but I think Jacob Pullen is the key to that, he is a very underrated point guard, and the Judge, Pullen, Clemente trio is going to be a pretty damn good one.
I agree with whoever said John Wall's stock will drop... he has nowhere to go but down.
And as for Aldrich's stock going down? I don't think so. We've all had plenty of time to see all of his weaknesses and people are still high on him. I don't think there's much he can do to screw himself over
something i find funny is the same weaknesses im hearing (by fans) about cole aldrich is the same stuff they said about brook lopez...slow foot speed not athletic enough..yet i watch and watch and watch him and he has pretty good post moves a pretty big body and will dunk on you..it seems if a player isnt jumping out the gym and dunking in limited minutes( ed davis) or dominated in hs while looking like a u tube jordan( barnes,wall etc) they are considered better then the gusy in college who have proven to be good solid and ,potenially in some cases very good pros. im not sure renardo stock will go up, not because of talent because hes easily the most talented freshman of the bunch as far as skill set, but because he doesnt work hard all the time and kinda lazy. i see ed davis dropping because the expectations is wayy to high for a player who doesnt really have much offense and by watching him as well as listening to the scouts right now defense is the best part of his game. i never seen wally judge other then you tube so i dont know much abou thim except i hear nothing but good things so ill watch some of his games. personally i think royce white from minny gophers stock will rise as well as gravias vasquez. also see x.henrey stock lowering unless he adds a quicker first step and better handles
Rise: Kemba Walker, he will surprise many people and shoot up the boards.
........Paul George, he has the making of a star.
Fall: Devin Ebanks, Hmmm.........he doesn't strike me as an great NBA talent, he will be good just not worthy of a lottery pick
I agree whole heartedly with you JoeWolf, I think Judge and transfer/sleeper on the team Curtis Kelly provide us with consistent rebounding and post/mid-range scoring that we lacked last year. I think Judge will have a Tyrus Thomas type conference and NCAA tourny that will solidify their spots as a middle lottery player.
Now my guy that will rise up the boards besides Judge is Sherron Collins. He is projected as a early 2nd rounder, but I dont understand why. He offers plenty of offensive ability and fits in the NBA as a guy that can score and involve teammates through the dribble drive. If he can raise his assist numbers from 5.0 to anything close to 6 he would be a top 20 pick, especially in a class without much depth at the PG position.
The guy that will slide down draft boards is Al-Farouq Aminu. I dont ever see him being a good offensive player, he has no perimeter skills and really reminds me of Brandan Wright, even though some compare him to Luol Deng who, outside of having the same body build have nothing in common. So, unless he improved his shot,handle,passing and basketball IQ in 1 off-season, I think he will be a disappointment and slide down the boards.
aminu is a pretty good ball handler and has a nice midrange game iggy..i dodnt watch all there games but i watched 5 of them as well as a couple hs games ( one of which he punished greg monroe)..alot of times they used him more to score down low and rebound but he is definatly capable of playing the three
But for him to lack the ability to do anything on the perimeter, he would have to have an outstanding mid-range game.And he doesnt, he has nothing outstanding about his offensive game except catching and finishing ability. He will be exposed for his lack of offensive talent as the no.1 option for Wake this year and his stock will drop...
so ed davis should fit into the same catagory iggy according to how you view it since his offense is even less advance...but anyway im guessing we talking about differrent players since aminu averaged a good 13 a game with 8 reb on a pretty good team while sharing shots with teauge and james johnson. he shot 53 percent and if you check out draftexpress in the archives they broke down his midrange and its more then just average as you say. he has plenty of times in each game where he drove or dribbled twice then pulled up at free throw line. people say hes liek deng because he played pretty much the same way deng did in his first year at duke. im not saying hes gonna be great but you are severley underrating his skills. and he plays nothing like breden wright..if anything thats who people are comparing ed davis too except less offensive skills and less impact on the game
And I dont think Ed Davis is going to be good in the NBA either. I have always said Ed Davis is overrated.
And Aminu mid-range game is average. I went on Draftepress and this is something I picked up on a scouting report "He was able to make some open mid-range jumpers, but looks a long ways away from becoming a reliable threat from the college 3-point line, let alone NBA range. The college 3 point line would be mid-range in the NBA, and since your source says he has a ways to go to being a threat from the mid-range or in this case the college 3, then they agree that his mid-range game is average at the absolute most. Its definitely not at the elite level that it would need to be for him to be a threat on offense in the NBA, so even if it were average he still will be a sub-par offensive player in the League.
And Aminu is like Brandan Wright because neither have a perimeter skill thats at NBA level, and both are tweeners at the 3 and 4 spots. Aminu is stronger than Wright which will help his case, but he still is nothing more than a 4th option in the NBA Ed Davis is more like Wright than Aminu, but the Deng comparison is extremely laughable, just like the Davis-Amare comparison. Not only is Deng a far and ahead ball handler and shooter from the mid-range, he also is much smarter and scores in much more ways.
They'll be disappointed they got another Brandan Wright...just because teams like you doesnt mean there good. Remember Kwame Brown, Brandan Wright? Scouts were just as high on them as they are about Aminu. I showed you the scouting report from the website you got your opinion from, yet I'm wrong. He has NOTHING on his DraftX profile about a decent mid-range game, dont know where you saw it. The only mention of his mid-range game as a college player was the one I quoted above. And the college 3 is a mid-range shot. It's not close to the rim, and its not a 3, so its in the MIDDLE or MID range of the basket..
wrong as far as scouts agreeing wit you and him not getting drafted high..to be honest i dont see super star in him but i think hes better then you give him credit for. and everyone doesnt dislike ed davis its just some of us arent on the band wagon of a player who was a 6th man whos raw on offense but is projected to be the number 2 pick in the draft. im more of a watch during the season then decided if a guy is worthy of the hype..basically with me you have to earn it first which is why im not going crazy over wall,a.randolph or harrison barnes, perry jones just yet
Thompson wont be the 1st option.
It's gonna be Davis. Im sure of it. I laugh because you guys are forgetting, he played in limited time and had good stats. He will get more of the bulk scoring now Hansbrough,Lawson, Ellington are gone.
why do people think Wally Judge, Paul George, etc gonna be good and Davis not?
Makes no sense to me
and why do you think he played in limited time?..why do you think thompson started over him?. davis is potenial at this point..did you watch him..he has no post moves he scored off of guys doubling hansboro and some offensive rebounds just like he gets a year better the guy who started over him( thompson) who had to share the post with tyler got a year better
and iggy heres a video of what midrange is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PLWvSqkDAU
I dont need to see what a mid-range shot is, its either close to the rim or far from the rim (3 pt. shooter). Anything in between is mid-range.
Q: Wally Judge has an offensive post game, a baby hook, drop steps, and will throw in a spin or up-and-under here and there. He can make basic catch and finish plays very well too with his freakish athleticism. Ed Davis doesnt have the variety of quick, yet decently polished moves that Judge has. Judge also can shoot out to 20 feet consistently, Davis cant. Judge also is a great shot blocker, but Davis is the better defender of the 2.
Paul George is better in my eyes because he has no true weaknesses in his game from what I've seen, except his handle could improve. He has a very nice shot, can get to the basket because of his 1st step and his long strides. He's an average defender, but he's definitely not a liability. He reminds me of Morris Almond with more athleticism and slightly better handles and D (3 things that hold Almond back from contributing).
Those are reasons I see them better than Davis, who has lots to improve on (esp. on offense) to be considered a possible #1 pick.
Just watch out this season for Kansas State. I think that they'll make the NCAA tournament. I dunno if they'll go on a run but Judge will end up becoming a first round pick. The man's athleticism is being compared to Josh Smith and if you in the same conversation as Josh Smith athletic wise, you a freak and NBA scouts love athletic guys because they feel that those kinds of guys will succeed in the NBA now a days. And Judge has an offensive game unlike Ed Davis.
Just watch out this season for Kansas State. I think that they'll make the NCAA tournament. I dunno if they'll go on a run but Judge will end up becoming a first round pick. The man's athleticism is being compared to Josh Smith and if you in the same conversation as Josh Smith athletic wise, you a freak and NBA scouts love athletic guys because they feel that those kinds of guys will succeed in the NBA now a days. And Judge has an offensive game unlike Ed Davis.
I remember the 2009 NBA Draft prospect in which BJ Mullens was a top-2 prospect... Then his draft stock came tumbling down and landed in 20-28th pick.. That was a big fall... DeAndre Jordan was another top-5 prospect who saw his stock fall from 10-19th only to have been drafted in the second round... Josh McRoberts also was a top 10 pick much like Cole Aldrich but he landed in the second round and was seldom used...(now he looks like a caveman)LOL... A lot of players also have seen their stocks soared back... Prime example is OJ Mayo... As we all know, he was hyped as the next superstar since LeBron but then he was touted to be overrated, good but not that good, solid player but not first pick worthy etc... He was a top 2 pick coming in high school then saw his stock drop rapidly coming to USC... He was measured to be at the 10-14th pick then came the 2008 Draft where his stock returned back to the top 3 choosings... Demar Derozan was also a top 3 prospect in 2009 but stumbled to 12-20th pick until he showed what he can do late in his college career that made him the 9th pick by the Toronto Raptors...
I think a big rise will happen with Xavier Henry... He's such a good scorer that I think from 15-21st pick...he will have a chance to make it to the top 10... That is IF he does well with Kansas...Wally Judge can prove that he will be better than what he has shown, he might fall into the top 10 also...
I think the big fall would be on Ed Davis... I see him as an athletic big man but not on the same level as Derrick Favors. I think he will not be a top 3 pick at the end of the day... I see him more of a top 9 or 10 pick guy...
http://www.e-sports.com/articles/1410/1/The-lost-art-of-the-mid-range-ju...
Ninety percent of the athletes do not have a mid-range jumper, which would be defined as a shot anywhere between 7-16 feet from the basket. This lost art is vital in the preparation to being an excellent player.
nba line..23.9
college 20.9
..it goes dunks/layups, short range or close, midrange,deep
http://mvn.com/celtics17/2009/03/kg-and-the-mid-range-jump-shot.html
i have other sites that explain more if need be
wow really are you really argueing about that..anyone who has ever played basketball knows that the college three point line is a long jumper int he nba and that free throw line extended is called a midrange jumper...you wont find one coach tell you that in the nba a college three is considered a midrange jumper...come on ya'll i thought that was common sense but i guess not. its cool though we all make mistakes. takes a man to admit it though
rise- greg monroe-he will finally put together his inside and outside game, and will also show some legit athleticism as the number 1 option at georgetown, lance stephenson won't get in trouble and will have almost an oj mayo type freshman year, james anderson-always loved his game, thinks he can one day be another ray allen, with his quick release and athleticism.tyshawn taylor will also get to run the team more and show more of his skills this year.
ed davis will not fall, he isn't great offensively but he isn't thabeet, he's going to be a 6'9" 235 lbs center in college but will have good power forward size for the league
fall-cole aldrich, xavier henry, john wall- just don't think he will meet the hype.
i agree ..almost...dont think james will be another ray allen. maybe a lower level player. i notice when peopel compare on here they aim for the fences do ya'll know according to most of ya'll the next 3 classes are full of at least 15 potenial hall of famers each?..according to the comparisions
Rise the Most - Gotta go with Wally Judge of Kansas State. Simply because he's gonna run that team with Denis Clemente who's hands down the quickest player in college basketball. Imagine those 2 running the fast break. DAMN! The possibilities. Also, Wally's underrated and with the kind of athleticism that he has, he gonna catch a lot of attention from NBA scouts.
Drop the Most - Gonna go with Ed Davis of North Carolina. I'm not hating on Ed Davis at all but the guy has no offensive game. He's just a rebounder and a liability at the defensive end and he's quite undersized. The fact that he doesn't have that much of an offensive game will make his draft stock fall.
Honourable mention for draft stock Rise: Jarvis Varnado - will be a force to recon with defensively his senior season capable of averaging 5 blocks his senior season.
Raymar Morgan - had a great sophomore season but junior season was terrible because of the illness he suffered. Will bounce back his senior season.
Lance Stephenson - Will lead Cincinatti to the NCAA tournament which will make his draft stock rise if he perfoms well.
Honourable mention for draft stock fall: Cole Aldrich - Is he a PF or a C. Limited athleticism and questionable foot speed.
Stanley Robinson - Super athletic but.. no offensive game. Even if he were to play PF, he'd be to undersized at 6'8.
Michael Washington - the fact that he's 2 years older than his draft class wll make his stock drop because scouts will question his potential and what he'll do in the NBA. Just like Sam Young of Pittsburg.